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Post by darthobiwan on Jul 2, 2023 16:22:28 GMT -5
Now onto 2000. Which match results should change?
Just to note since there were a lot of muli-men/team matches, AND 1 match ending in a draw, some matches if chosen will need an additional poll to decide the winner(s).
Should Too Cool dance their way out of trouble from RTC?
Does Roaddog beat Xpac in the battle of DX?
Should Val had retained, or Eddie or Trish became IC champion here? (New poll).
Does Tazz not allow Lawler survive?
Does Shane find a way to hold off Blackman?
Should the score for 2 out of 3 falls be different (either Benoit wins 2-0, Jericho wins 2-1, or Jericho 2-0) also new poll?
Should Hardys or Dudleys won a TLC for belts here (new poll).
Should Terri had given Kat a stinkface?
Should Kane or Undertaker win (new poll)?
Should HHH or Angle had taken title from Rock here (new poll)?
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Post by bob on Jul 2, 2023 17:51:47 GMT -5
I love Rock, but the Angle/HHH feud was white hot and Angle should've walked out champ
Tazz losing to Lawler just destroyed his credibility, so Tazz wins
Edge and Christian always won the TLC matches between these 3 teams, so I'm giving the other 2 teams a shot to
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Post by darthobiwan on Jul 3, 2023 11:23:27 GMT -5
I love Rock, but the Angle/HHH feud was white hot and Angle should've walked out champ Tazz losing to Lawler just destroyed his credibility, so Tazz wins Edge and Christian always won the TLC matches between these 3 teams, so I'm giving the other 2 teams a shot to I remember for PWI awards in 2000, Hhh vs Angle was voted Best Feud of the Year. Although it's a bit surprising that for the whole year they only had 2 ppv matches together (this one and the 1 on 1 match at Armageddon). Rock was also the hottest (no pun intended) superstar that was active in wresting for year 2000 thought (mainly with Austin being out most of the year). After TaZz had so much hype coming to WWF in 2000, he was mainly reduced to Hardcore division for this year (don't think they/Vince saw him with his size as a major superstar) and slowly reduced to commentary role. And while they were by no means buried not winning any of the TLC/ladder matches, I do find it odd that it was Edge & Christian that won all 3 of those matches with the 3 teams together. Like they could not have either Hardys or Dudleys win at least once?
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Post by Duke Cameron on Jul 3, 2023 22:16:28 GMT -5
This might be the only occasion where we can make Trish the Intercontinental champion.
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Post by Big Bad Brad on Jul 3, 2023 22:44:06 GMT -5
This might be the only occasion where we can make Trish the Intercontinental champion. I would be ok with that kind sir!
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Post by darthobiwan on Jul 3, 2023 23:18:03 GMT -5
This might be the only occasion where we can make Trish the Intercontinental champion. I would be ok with that kind sir! The crazy thing with that was I believe this was when she was still "green" and BEFORE any Women's title Reigns.
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Post by Big Bad Brad on Jul 3, 2023 23:46:39 GMT -5
I would be ok with that kind sir! The crazy thing with that was I believe this was when she was still "green" and BEFORE any Women's title Reigns. I'd still be ok with it it would be a fun story.
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Post by darthobiwan on Jul 6, 2023 0:41:46 GMT -5
The 3 matches to be changed have been decided. Now just need to decide who wins IC title (new poll).
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Post by darthobiwan on Jul 13, 2023 16:41:16 GMT -5
We are LIVE from Raleigh, North Carolina for Summerslam 2000! We have 10 matches on hand tonight, so lets get right to the action.
*Opening match is a 6 man tag team match, with Too Cool (Rikishi, Scotty 2 Hotty, and Grandmaster Sexay) vs Right To Censor (Steven Richards, Goodfather, and Bull Buchanan). The match is only about 5-6 minutes long. During the chaos Rikishi is able to knock Bull and Goodfather out of the ring, leaving Steven by himself. Rikishi gives Steven a stinkface, then Scotty performs a worm, and chops Steven once and pins him! Too Cool beats RTC!!! After the match, Rikishi and Too Cool do their dance routine to huge cheers!
Second match is "DX exploding" , with Roadogg vs Xpac. Xpac is sneaky and lowblows Roadogg, then pins him after an xfactor. After the match, Roadogg gets some revenge by doing a pump handle slam and clutch chop towards Xpac.
*Third match is for Intercontinental title to be defended in unique circumstances, with a tag team match with the person who gets the pinfall or submission win IC belt. Champion Val Venis is with his partner/manager Trish Stratus, as he defends against technically her AND their opponents Eddie Guerrero and Chyna. The match goes about 12 matches with the men mostly being in the ring, and when Chyna tags into the ring and Trish tag in to meet her, everyone assumes Trish will be "easy pickings " for ninth wonder of the world. However Boy proves everyone wrong by being able to not only go toe to toe with Chyna, and shocks her with taking her down with kicks, headlocks, and Lou these presses (who has been training her?)! Chyna does catch Trish and tosses ber over the ropes and onto Val Venis on the outside of the ring. At one point while it's just Chyna and Trish in the ring, Eddie and Val brawl outside the ring, and with referee not noticing Test & Albert come out and attack Eddie. Test knocks down Eddie with a big boot, then Val jumps back into the ring to clothesline Chyna, leaving her for easy pickings by Trish to Bulldog her and pin her! Trish & Val Venis win the match, while Trish Stratus has became the second ever Female Intercontinental champion!!! After the match Val, Test, and Albert hoist Trish onto their shoulders and carry her around while she holds the Intercontinental title above her head.
*Fourth match is Jerry Lawler vs Tazz. Tazz came out making fun of Jerry and JR, and Jerry starts attacking Tazz to start the match. Jerry does the whole strap pull thing and fistdrops Tazz, who kicks out at 2. Jerry then attempts a piledriver, but Tazz reverse it and suplexes Jerry 3 times, then he catches him in a Tazz mission. Jerry tries to fight on for a minute, but he fades out and referee holds his arm up and it drops 3 times! Tazz has beaten Jerry Lawler!!! After the match, Jerry is passed out and Tazz goes to announce table and grabs JR and shoves him into the ring. He then applies tazzmission on JR... which leads to glass breaking... and Stone Cold Steve Austin comes out to thunderous applause! This is his first appearance since Backlash months ago since he been recovering from surgery. Tazz let's Ross go as Austin comes into the ring and does his 4 turnbuckle pose. Tazz tries sneaking behind Austin to put him into tazzmission, but Austin kicks his leg backward to lowblow Tazz, then Austin turns around and stuns Tazz! Austin then helps up JR and the 2 share a beer. Austin walks to back as JR goes to back to announce table, then when he also recovers Jerry Lawler goes back to announce table too for rest of night.
Fifth match is for Hardcore title, as Shane McMahon defends against Steve Blackman. Thr Lethal Weapon chases after Shane, then Test & Albert run out and attack Steve. Blackman is able to hold them both off with a kendo stick, then goes after Shane again, who at this time has started climbing up the structure with the Summerslam sign (he must be 30 feet up). Blackman climbs up to meet him and hits Shane 3 times, which causes him to fall backwards and Crash onto matting below! Blackman then does an elbowdrop and pins Shane to regain Hardcore title!
Sixth match is a 2 out of 3 falls match, as Chris Jericho goes against Chris Benoit. Benoit makes Jericho submit to crossface as Jericho gets Benoit to tap to walls of Jericho. The 3rd fall is decided when Benoit causes Jericho with a cradle and his feet on the ropes to get the pinfall win.
Seventh match is the TLC for Tag team championship, with Edge & Christian defending against Hardys and Dudleys. They tear the house down for 20 minutes, with a lot of table crashes and Lita getting involved. At one point Dvon and Jeff Hardy fight at the top of ladder and end up hanging onto the hooks where the belts are as Jeff kicks Dvon off the ladder, then Edge & Christian get back in the ring and knock Jeff off the hooks too with another ladder. Edge & Christian then climb the ladders together and grab the belts to stay champions.
Eighth match is a Stinkface match, with Kat shoved her booty into Terri's face (and that's all I need to mention there).
Ninth match is Undertaker vs Kane in a no DQ match, and for some reason it ends when Undertaker tears off Kane's mask and match just ends after Kane leaves.
Main Event is a triple threat for WWE title, with Rock defending against Kurt Angle & HHH. Before Rock even comes out, Kurt and Hunter brawl and Hunter attempts a pedigree onto Angle onto of announce table, but the table gives way which may he worse for Kurt as he is clearly loopy after this. Rock then comes out as fights with HHH for 15 1 on 1, while Kurt is taken on a stretcher until Stephanje convinces Kurt to return to the ring to "help Hunter". When Kurt returns he attacks Hunter and shoves him into the steel steps. Rock does knock Kurt out of the ring, then Rock pins Hunter after a people's elbow to retain. After the match Kurt carries Stephanie out, who had been accidentally knocked out by her husband HHH.
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Post by darthobiwan on Jul 13, 2023 16:41:33 GMT -5
Fantasy booking until Summerslam 2001...
Unforgiven ppv. Stone Cold Steve Austin has first match since neck surgery and pins Tazz after a stunner. Cage match for Tag team belts: Hardys beat Edge & Christian to win titles! Kurt Angle pins HHH after help from Stephanie (who turns on Hunter)! Stephanie becomes Kurt's manager. 4 way for wwf title: Rock pins Chris Benoit after a rock bottom. Also in match was Undertaker & Kane.
No Mercy ppv. Hardys beat Edge & Christian and Too Cool in a 3 way to stay tag team champions. 4 way for IC title: Trish vs Venis vs Chyna vs Eddie Guerrero. Miscommunication between Val and Trish leads to Trish being pinned by Chyna (Chyna is new IC champion)! Trish splits from Val shortly after this. Steve Austin pins Xpac after a stunner. Wwf title match: Kurt Angle pins Rock after HHH interferes and hits Rock by mistake with sledgehammer to become new wwf champion! After match, Hunter chases Kurt and Stephanie out of arena.
Survivor Series ppv. Chris Benoit & Eddie Guerrero survivor their elimination match against Chyna, Rtruth, Roadogg, and Billy Gunn (2 weeks prior on Raw Eddie turned against Chyna by "accidentally " pinning her in a mutil-man match to win IC title). Rock vs HHH goes to a double countout. Lita pins Trish Stratus & Ivory to retain Women's title (I believe she won it around Summerslam time). Steve Austin & Undertaker survive an elimination match with Kurt Angle and Kane on the other side. Rock pins Angle last after a stunner.
Armageddon ppv. Eddie Guerrero pins Chris Jericho after frog splash to retain IC title. Hardys beat RTC (Bull Buchanan & Goodfather) after Jeff pins Bull after a swanton to stay tag team champions. 6 man Hell in a Cell match: Angle defends wwf title against Undertaker, Kane, Austin, Rock, and HHH. This time Undertaker tosses Kane off top of Cell. It comes down to Rock and Austin brawling and Hunter and Kurt brawling. Kurt does an Angle slam on Hunter onto steel steps and pins him to retain.
Leading up to Royal Rumble. On Raw, Austin wins a no 1 contenders 3 way against Rock and HHH after pinning Hunter after a stunner.
Royal Rumble ppv. Wwf title match: Austin beats Kurt Angle by DQ when Rock interferes to attack him and turn heel. We can say Rock feels screwed over by Austin returning. Rock proceeds to bust open Austin with a chair and Rock bottoms him 3 times. Angle stays champion. Final 4 in Rumble match: Kane (6, he is ironman AND eliminated 10 guys), Rock (13), Undertaker (25), and HHH (27). Rock eliminated Undertaker, then Kane throws out Rock. After a 3 minute 1 on 1 showdown, HHH catches Kane in a pedigree, then clotheslines him out and wins 2001 Royal Rumble!
No Way Out ppv. Chris Jericho wins a triple threat against Chris Benoit and Eddie Guerrero to win Intercontinental title! Dudleys beats Hardys to win tag team belts! Hhh & Steve Austin beat Kurt Angle & Rock when HHH pins Rock after tombstone to determine Wrestlemania match stipulations.
Wrestlemania 17. Chris Jericho beats Eddie Guerrero in a 30.minute ironman match to stay IC champion. Undertaker & Kane (they started teaming up again right before this) beat Rikishi & Too Cool 2 on 3 when Undertaker pins Rikihsi after tombstone. Undertaker goes 9-0. Chyna pins Lita after a pressslam to win Women's title! Tazz makes Chris Benoit pass out to win European title! (Not sure how but I'll just say Benoit is champion going into this. TLC 2: Hardys win tag titles! Dudleys and Edge & Christian were also involved. Cage match: Steve Austin pins Rock after 3 stunners (no heel turn lol). Wwf title in a Streetfight: Stephanie turns against Kurt Angle to rejoin HHH and HHH pins Kurt after a pedigree through table to win WWF title!
Just to note, in this version there is NO WCW or ECW purchase.
Backlash ppv. Undertaker & Kane beat Hardys to win tag team titles! Chris Jericho pins Chris Benoit after lionsault to stay IC champion. In a "Loser Leaves WWF match", Steve Austin pins Rock after a stunner (Rock goes to make movies and maybe returns later in the year). Hell in a Cell: HHH pins Kurt Angle after pedigree on top of cell to retain WWF title.
Judgement Day ppv. Miscommunication between Edge & Christian leads to Undertaker & Kane beating them to stay tag team champions. Tazz makes Al Snow tap to tazzmission to stay European champion. Hhh pins Big Show after pedigree to retain WWF title.
King of the Ring ppv. Due to help from Rikishi and miscommunication between Brothers of Destruction, Too Cool is able to beat Undertaker & Kane to win tag team belts! Tournament finals: Edge (face) pins Christian (heel) After a spear to become King! Hhh pins Tazz after pedigree to stay wwf champion.
Fully Loaded (not Invasion) ppv. Trish Stratus beats Lita & Molly Holly to become top contender for Women's title. Steve Austin beats Undertaker & Kane in a 3 way to become next wwf title contender. Hhh pins Eddie Guerrero after pedigree and stays wwf champion.
Sunmerslam 2001 featured matches include. . Edge vs Christian. TLC 3: Too Cool vs Hardys vs Dudleys. Women's title: Chyna vs Ivory. Undertaker vs Kane in a Buried Alive match. IC title match: Kurt Angle vs Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero vs Tazz. Wwf title: HHH vs Steve Austin
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Post by darthobiwan on Jul 13, 2023 16:47:13 GMT -5
Title changes/opening match/Main event changes.
Opening match: 4 in 13 (31%). Wwf/E title: 7 in 10 (70%). IC title: 6 in 12 (50%). Tag Team titles: 3 in 9 (33%). Women's title: 2 in 3 (67%). *Other titles not defended at least 5 times: (Million $): 1 in 1 (100%). European: 1 in 3 (33%). Hardcore: 0 in 2 (0%). Main Event: 8 in 13 (62%).
*Breakdown of wrestler match changes. The parentheses will show the breakdown of changing in matches favor or against.
*5 or more changes Ultimate Warrior: 5 (1 in 5). Bret Hart: 5 (1 in 5).
*4 or less changes Shawn Michaels: 4 (1 in 4). Hulk Hogan: 3 (0 in 3). Ted Dibiase: 3 (3 in 3). Owen Hart: 3 (3 in 3). Billy Gunn: 3 (1 in 3). Andre The Giant: 2 (2 in 2). Rick Rude: 2 (2 in 2). Jim Neidhart: 2 (1 in 2). Smash: 2 (1 in 2). Jacques Rougeaus/Mountie: 2 (1 in 2). Big Boss Man: 2 (1 in 2). Randy Savage: 2 (0 in 2). IRS: 2 (1 in 2). Davey Boy Smith: 2 (1 in 2). Undertaker: 2 (1 in 2). Xpac/123 Kid: 2 (1 in 2). Kane/Isaac Yankem: 2 (2 in 2). Ken Shamrock: 2 (1 in 2). Raymond Rougeaus: 1 (0 in 1). Dynamite Kid: 1 (1 in 1). Honky Tonk Man: 1 (1 in 1). Arn Anderson: 1 (0 in 1). Tully Blanchard: 1 (0 in 1). Akeem: 1 (1 in 1). Ax: 1 (0 in 1). Earthquake: 1 (1 in 1). Crush: 1 (1 in 1). Virgil: 1 (0 in 1). Gen. Adnan: 1 (1 in 1). Col. Mustafa/Iron Sheik: 1 (1 in 1). Rick Martel: 1 (0 in 1). Hawk: 1 (0 in 1). Animal: 1 (0 in 1). Lex Luger: 1 (1 in 1). Yokozuna: 1 (0 in 1). Mr. Perfect: 1 (1 in 1). FAKE Undertaker/Brian Lee: 1 (1 in 1). Bull Nakano: 1 (1 in 1). Alundra Blayze: 1 (0 in 1). Mabel: 1 (1 in 1). Diesel: 1 (0 in 1). Razor Ramon: 1 (1 in 1). Vader: 1 (1 in 1). Jake Roberts: 1 (1 in 1). Jerry Lawler: 1 (0 in 1). Marty Jannetty: 1 (1 in 1). Al Snow/Leif Cassiedy: 1 (1 in 1). Bart Gunn: 1 (0 in 1). Steve Austin: 1 (1 in 1). Roadogg: 1 (0 in 1). Mankind/Mick Foley: 1 (1 in 1). Jeff Jarrett: 1 (1 in 1). Rock: 1 (0 in 1). Albert: 1 (1 in 1). Droz: 1 (1 in 1). Faarooq: 1 (0 in 1). Bradshaw/JBL: 1 (0 in 1). Tori: 1 (1 in 1). Ivory: 1 (0 in 1). Trish Stratus: 1 (1 in 1). Val Venis: 1 (1 in 1). Eddie Guerrero: 1 (0 in 1). Chyna: 1 (0 in 1). Rikishi: 1 (1 in 1). Scotty 2 Hotty: 1 (1 in 1). Grandmaster Sexay: 1 (1 in 1). Godfather: 1 (0 in 1). Steven Richards: 1 (0 in 1). Bull Buchanan: 1 (0 in 1). Tazz: 1 (1 in 1). Jerry Lawler: 1 (0 in 1).
Interesting to note the Wwf title and main Event changes have dropped to 70% and 62% respectively, while opening matche and IC title changes have increased to 31% and 50% respectively. Also everyone involved in changes in 2000 was the first (and in some cases only) time their respective matches were voted to change so far.
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