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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jul 5, 2023 16:46:36 GMT -5
Also, if cjb reads this... this thread has gone five pages so I was clearly wrong. do you people see what we (except me) have done we have created multiverse thread lore with our (your) arguing, we (you) have created a monster |
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Post by champchumpchange on Jul 5, 2023 16:55:58 GMT -5
The UFC 290 prelims are stacked (and air concurrently)
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 5, 2023 17:01:46 GMT -5
What does this mean ? WWE is doing great even though TV is down. AEW is doing terribly, but you know... TV is down. He's saying that numbers on the whole are so down that AEW's bad return is actually performing well proportionally, while WWE is succeeding against the trend entirely. |
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Post by Cyno on Jul 5, 2023 17:04:31 GMT -5
It's 8 weeks until football season starts, at which point I believe there will be a college or NFL game on every Saturday until well into January. Also, if cjb reads this... this thread has gone five pages so I was clearly wrong. NFL doesn't really do Saturday games until the playoffs with maybe some exceptions here and there near the end of the season. Only thing that helps them with CFB games is that a lot of wrestling fans live in the Northeast, which is a region that doesn't care that much about college football until Bowl season (as in the actual big bowl games and playoff games, not like the Jimmy Johns Sandwich Bowl between random FCS teams that they don't think are good enough for the real games but still want to make a buck off them). It's gonna suck for regional viewership in the South and Midwest though. |
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Jul 5, 2023 17:11:44 GMT -5
Got some iced tea and some hot fries, time for me to look over this thread.
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Post by xCompackx on Jul 5, 2023 17:11:50 GMT -5
Eh, I think it's going to take time to really establish Collision as its own thing, but from a fan perspective, I like what they're doing so far. Collision just needs more than... the one feud they have going with Wardlow/Christian Cage/Luchasaurus.
That said, Punk being on or not on the show doesn't feel like it matters in the slightest and I already kind of wonder if they've milked that cash cow dry if they aren't going to run an Elite/Punk thing.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Jul 5, 2023 17:15:23 GMT -5
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jul 5, 2023 17:17:11 GMT -5
Money in the Bank plus competition plus pretaped plus holiday weekend feels like it explains this pretty well.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Jul 5, 2023 17:19:01 GMT -5
aaaaaaanyways, like i've said before this show failing so far has very little to do with punk. if anything his matches have been pretty entertaining but they don't lead in to next week and there's no real pull to go out of your way on a saturday to watch it.
you can't just be like "THIS GUY WILL TALK!" and expect numbers for some brand new show. a good or above average booker would have his new shows first month or two set up at least and lure viewers into making it a habit to watch. they've done absolute jackshit with that and this is the result of that
it didn't work with rampage to have one or two banger shows and then just assume your people will watch it no matter what, it won't work now.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 5, 2023 17:19:35 GMT -5
It's 8 weeks until football season starts, at which point I believe there will be a college or NFL game on every Saturday until well into January. Also, if cjb reads this... this thread has gone five pages so I was clearly wrong. I told you, lmfao. Negative ratings threads are double, or triple what a positive one is, and you don't see half the posters in them Doesn't help when Collision does bad, it has those said tropes in it PLUS people who just want to see CM Punk burned at a stake so it's a real lovely collection of posts and arguments that really make you feel warm and fuzzy inside when you see it... |
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Post by Red Mage Riot on Jul 5, 2023 17:20:56 GMT -5
aaaaaaanyways, like i've said before this show failing so far has very little to do with punk. if anything his matches have been pretty entertaining but they don't lead in to next week and there's no real pull to go out of your way on a saturday to watch it. you can't just be like "THIS GUY WILL TALK!" and expect numbers for some brand new show. a good or above average booker would have his new shows first month or two set up at least and lure viewers into making it a habit to watch. they've done absolute jackshit with that and this is the result of that it didn't work with rampage to have one or two banger shows and then just assume your people will watch it no matter what, it won't work now. But I was told the ratings Punk would bring in would justify completely his presence despite the assault and just being a toxic asshole in general. That all that shit would be wiped clean once those sweet, sweet ratings comes in because of Punk, you know, the guy the show was sold on. If he's not producing, it's on him at this point. |
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 5, 2023 17:23:16 GMT -5
Very true, but that's almost entirely on Punk himself, isn't it? The term "Collider" wasn't coined on these threads. Punk tanked the image of the company and of Tony Khan ,screwed multiple storylines ,assaulted people. Then we got to hear how Punk is the savior of AEW and Collision, that they needed him for it, kept still insulting whoever he wanted , got to be the face of the show calling himself the billion while being paid millions to draw under 500k and trying to make Collision the him vs everyone else show. It was literally the second coming. If anything all the dunking is still too light . If I haven't said it before I'll just say Ratings Threads and CM Punk bring out very healthy, normal responses from people lately. |
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Jul 5, 2023 17:26:04 GMT -5
aaaaaaanyways, like i've said before this show failing so far has very little to do with punk. if anything his matches have been pretty entertaining but they don't lead in to next week and there's no real pull to go out of your way on a saturday to watch it. you can't just be like "THIS GUY WILL TALK!" and expect numbers for some brand new show. a good or above average booker would have his new shows first month or two set up at least and lure viewers into making it a habit to watch. they've done absolute jackshit with that and this is the result of that it didn't work with rampage to have one or two banger shows and then just assume your people will watch it no matter what, it won't work now. But I was told the ratings Punk would bring in would justify completely his presence despite the assault and just being a toxic asshole in general. That all that shit would be wiped clean once those sweet, sweet ratings comes in because of Punk, you know, the guy the show was sold on. If he's not producing, it's on him at this point. Meh. I can't stand the dude either but he really isn't the problem with this show. Cringe nae nae ass opening promo on the first show aside, he has been involved with most of the good matches. The marketing and future show advertising has been straight up dogshit. I'd say you need to advertise better than you do for Dynamite, considering Saturday and a brand new show that needs to be established and they sure as hell have not done that. You could have Punk killing it right now with a gimmick and if there's no hook to tuning in next week, it don't matter. |
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Post by Red Mage Riot on Jul 5, 2023 17:26:04 GMT -5
Punk tanked the image of the company and of Tony Khan ,screwed multiple storylines ,assaulted people. Then we got to hear how Punk is the savior of AEW and Collision, that they needed him for it, kept still insulting whoever he wanted , got to be the face of the show calling himself the billion while being paid millions to draw under 500k and trying to make Collision the him vs everyone else show. It was literally the second coming. If anything all the dunking is still too light . If I haven't said it before I'll just say Ratings Threads and CM Punk bring out very healthy, normal responses from people lately. I'm sorry dude, but you were the one blowing the "CM Punk getting his own show will all be worth it for the numbers" horn the loudest and longest, all the while saying "Well, if I'm wrong and it doesn't work, I'll be the first criticizing AEW", which.........yeah, fat chance on that, I guess. Also, in before you try to make this a condescending aside about my mental health, I'm fine, just enjoying TK reaping what he sowed. |
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 5, 2023 17:29:50 GMT -5
aaaaaaanyways, like i've said before this show failing so far has very little to do with punk. if anything his matches have been pretty entertaining but they don't lead in to next week and there's no real pull to go out of your way on a saturday to watch it. you can't just be like "THIS GUY WILL TALK!" and expect numbers for some brand new show. a good or above average booker would have his new shows first month or two set up at least and lure viewers into making it a habit to watch. they've done absolute jackshit with that and this is the result of that it didn't work with rampage to have one or two banger shows and then just assume your people will watch it no matter what, it won't work now. But I was told the ratings Punk would bring in would justify completely his presence despite the assault and just being a toxic asshole in general. That all that shit would be wiped clean once those sweet, sweet ratings comes in because of Punk, you know, the guy the show was sold on. If he's not producing, it's on him at this point. Punk has been completely fine in his role right now. His wrestling's been good, outside of the first week he's been perfectly normal in promos and trying to sell the show and everyone in it. The ratings weren't going to be good this week given it was taped on a holiday weekend, and they weren't. Punk likely moves enough merch alone to be worth the justification of coming back, I'm sorry that pisses you off, but I don't think Warner or AEW are sweating this rating unless it sticks. It's way too early to say that, but you hate Punk, Khan, and AEW, so I don't think you'd actually want to see Collision succeed, nor would you be commenting in this thread if it was, among others I'd imagine. I'd be pretty shocked if Punk vs Joe didn't move the needle at least a little bit. But from what I've seen on Collision they are trying to build multiple storylines and angles, and how this week's show ended showed that to me personally. Show had a lot going against it, should have way less so next time, so it'll be interesting to see exactly how it does... and if we have a 2 page thread or 7 page one again! |
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Post by Billie Gein on Jul 5, 2023 17:30:48 GMT -5
You just wait until this Shawn Spears vs Luchasaurus feud kicks into high gear, then we'll see who's laughing
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Jul 5, 2023 17:32:00 GMT -5
You just wait until this Shawn Spears vs Luchasaurus feud kicks into high gear, then we'll see who's laughing Okay but Shawn Spears with that whistling theme and the spotlight over the chair was awesome. I wish they did more with that. |
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 5, 2023 17:32:39 GMT -5
If I haven't said it before I'll just say Ratings Threads and CM Punk bring out very healthy, normal responses from people lately. I'm sorry dude, but you were the one blowing the "CM Punk getting his own show will all be worth it for the numbers" horn the loudest and longest, all the while saying "Well, if I'm wrong and it doesn't work, I'll be the first criticizing AEW", which.........yeah, fat chance on that, I guess. Also, in before you try to make this a condescending aside about my mental health, I'm fine, just enjoying TK reaping what he sowed. You can stop with the "condescending about my mental health" shit btw, I was legitimately worried about you and I think it's bullshit you've been using that to insult me, like actually makes me feel like f***ing shit, thanks. Sorry, won't ever do that again. And as others other than me has said, CM Punk hasn't been the problem and he has been pulling his weight. If the show doesn't rebound from a bad week then there's more cause fr concern, and if Punk sucked I'd say so, and he hasn't, so I'll be here the next time you want to reply to me and tell me how wrong I am and how much of an asshole I am, as I said, ratings threads bring out the best in us. |
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jul 5, 2023 17:36:43 GMT -5
So to be clear - in the past week: Dynamite: Down Collision: Down Rampage: Up Another win for the Rammers.  |
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Post by Chiral on Jul 5, 2023 17:37:57 GMT -5
aaaaaaanyways, like i've said before this show failing so far has very little to do with punk. if anything his matches have been pretty entertaining but they don't lead in to next week and there's no real pull to go out of your way on a saturday to watch it. you can't just be like "THIS GUY WILL TALK!" and expect numbers for some brand new show. a good or above average booker would have his new shows first month or two set up at least and lure viewers into making it a habit to watch. they've done absolute jackshit with that and this is the result of that it didn't work with rampage to have one or two banger shows and then just assume your people will watch it no matter what, it won't work now. They rolled this show out almost like expecting fans to pitch the show for themselves instead of doing much to explain it onscreen. It's night and day with the way they promoted shows prior. Like really, compare the rollout of this to the build to the First Dance, the hype was insane and they built to it so well, with Collision it's just like "cmon you get it.  cmonnnn." There really needs to more storylines and big moments to define what this show is just past the returning people too IMO. The first show not having any kind of ending hook for storylines moving forward feels like another blunder in line with the rest of this show's start, just not giving people who would be engaged reasons to stick around. Now watch this weeks do a bajillion viewers so all my whining about the show promotion/advertising is promptly rendered irrelevant. |
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cmonnnn." There really needs to more storylines and big moments to define what this show is just past the returning people too IMO. The first show not having any kind of ending hook for storylines moving forward feels like another blunder in line with the rest of this show's start, just not giving people who would be engaged reasons to stick around.