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Post by Red Mage Riot on Jul 5, 2023 17:37:57 GMT -5
Pre-Collision: Here's all the reasons Punk will be great for this show, and him coming back isn't actually a bad thing in anyway.
Every single week when the rating isn't up to snuff: Here's all the reasons in the world it can't possibly be Punk's fault, despite him being the engine the show is built around.
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Post by markymark on Jul 5, 2023 17:39:53 GMT -5
This was the fallout show after a great PPV that had a hot ending, perhaps the reason wrestling is down was due to the holidays?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 5, 2023 17:41:23 GMT -5
Pre-Collision: Here's all the reasons Punk will be great for this show, and him coming back isn't actually a bad thing in anyway. Every single week when the rating isn't up to snuff: Here's all the reasons in the world it can't possibly be Punk's fault, despite him being the engine the show is built around. No one was saying that Punk coming back was going to make everything he did magically go away in fans eyes, and it hasn't. And if you wanna blame a taped show on a holiday weekend on a recorded historically down week in cable on CM Punk, even when others who don't like Punk have blamed other factors on the show not doing well outside of that, then idk what to tell you dude You hate CM Punk and wish he wasn't here, I've said personally I wouldn't have brought him back either, we aren't i charge, Punk's stuff on Collision has been absolutely fine, but this WAS a down week for multiple reasons. I don't think anyone on AEW could have really propped this rating up given those circumstances, and then people online would be bitching that those people aren't a draw either... you can't really win.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Jul 5, 2023 17:42:00 GMT -5
aaaaaaanyways, like i've said before this show failing so far has very little to do with punk. if anything his matches have been pretty entertaining but they don't lead in to next week and there's no real pull to go out of your way on a saturday to watch it. you can't just be like "THIS GUY WILL TALK!" and expect numbers for some brand new show. a good or above average booker would have his new shows first month or two set up at least and lure viewers into making it a habit to watch. they've done absolute jackshit with that and this is the result of that it didn't work with rampage to have one or two banger shows and then just assume your people will watch it no matter what, it won't work now. They rolled this show out almost like expecting fans to pitch the show for themselves instead of doing much to explain it onscreen. It's night and day with the way they promoted shows prior. Like really, compare the rollout of this to the build to the First Dance, the hype was insane and they built to it so well, with Collision it's just like "cmon you get it. cmonnnn." There really needs to more storylines and big moments to define what this show is just past the returning people too IMO. The first show not having any kind of ending hook for storylines moving forward feels like another blunder in line with the rest of this show's start, just not giving people who would be engaged reasons to stick around. Now watch this weeks do a bajillion viewers so all my whining about the show promotion/advertising is promptly rendered irrelevant. Yeah like this shit is easy. End the first show with something that makes the viewers wanna tune in next week to see what Bullet Club Gold will do next. Same with the week after that, make people wanna see how Punk & co. will get back at these weaselly heels. But no, we just get the match ending and maybe a few seconds of the upcoming show mentioned on Dynamite like Rampage would be. The fact that they're rampaging this shit so quickly is infuriating and almost insulting to the viewers intelligence, people aren't going to just tune in for Punk. The only person in the entire company that I think people will tune in for and them alone is a Kenny Omega 1v1 match. Well that and the bunny.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 5, 2023 17:43:39 GMT -5
This was the fallout show after a great PPV that had a hot ending, perhaps the reason wrestling is down was due to the holidays?
No, it was because CM Punk is a failure and he also kicked me in the shin the other day and insulted my Cat, laughing evilly as he ran away like the coward he is. Like people have been saying the Holiday Weekend played a part for pages now... but that won't stop people.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jul 5, 2023 17:44:22 GMT -5
aaaaaaanyways, like i've said before this show failing so far has very little to do with punk. if anything his matches have been pretty entertaining but they don't lead in to next week and there's no real pull to go out of your way on a saturday to watch it. you can't just be like "THIS GUY WILL TALK!" and expect numbers for some brand new show. a good or above average booker would have his new shows first month or two set up at least and lure viewers into making it a habit to watch. they've done absolute jackshit with that and this is the result of that it didn't work with rampage to have one or two banger shows and then just assume your people will watch it no matter what, it won't work now. They rolled this show out almost like expecting fans to pitch the show for themselves instead of doing much to explain it onscreen. It's night and day with the way they promoted shows prior. Like really, compare the rollout of this to the build to the First Dance, the hype was insane and they built to it so well, with Collision it's just like "cmon you get it. cmonnnn." There really needs to more storylines and big moments to define what this show is just past the returning people too IMO. The first show not having any kind of ending hook for storylines moving forward feels like another blunder in line with the rest of this show's start, just not giving people who would be engaged reasons to stick around. Now watch this weeks do a bajillion viewers so all my whining about the show promotion/advertising is promptly rendered irrelevant. Really they're doing the same thing they did with Rampage. They ended the First Dance on a pointless Moxley / Garcia match no one could have possibly cared about and basically from then on, while they'd occasionally do big matches on it, it was always treated as just, "That thing on Fridays," without much attempt to sell it as its own consequential thing.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 5, 2023 17:45:08 GMT -5
aaaaaaanyways, like i've said before this show failing so far has very little to do with punk. if anything his matches have been pretty entertaining but they don't lead in to next week and there's no real pull to go out of your way on a saturday to watch it. you can't just be like "THIS GUY WILL TALK!" and expect numbers for some brand new show. a good or above average booker would have his new shows first month or two set up at least and lure viewers into making it a habit to watch. they've done absolute jackshit with that and this is the result of that it didn't work with rampage to have one or two banger shows and then just assume your people will watch it no matter what, it won't work now. They rolled this show out almost like expecting fans to pitch the show for themselves instead of doing much to explain it onscreen. It's night and day with the way they promoted shows prior. Like really, compare the rollout of this to the build to the First Dance, the hype was insane and they built to it so well, with Collision it's just like "cmon you get it. cmonnnn." There really needs to more storylines and big moments to define what this show is just past the returning people too IMO. The first show not having any kind of ending hook for storylines moving forward feels like another blunder in line with the rest of this show's start, just not giving people who would be engaged reasons to stick around. Now watch this weeks do a bajillion viewers so all my whining about the show promotion/advertising is promptly rendered irrelevant.The angrier and tense these ratings threads get, the more viewers Rampage will gain out of sheer spite
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Jul 5, 2023 17:45:51 GMT -5
They rolled this show out almost like expecting fans to pitch the show for themselves instead of doing much to explain it onscreen. It's night and day with the way they promoted shows prior. Like really, compare the rollout of this to the build to the First Dance, the hype was insane and they built to it so well, with Collision it's just like "cmon you get it. cmonnnn." There really needs to more storylines and big moments to define what this show is just past the returning people too IMO. The first show not having any kind of ending hook for storylines moving forward feels like another blunder in line with the rest of this show's start, just not giving people who would be engaged reasons to stick around. Now watch this weeks do a bajillion viewers so all my whining about the show promotion/advertising is promptly rendered irrelevant. Really they're doing the same thing they did with Rampage. They ended the First Dance on a pointless Moxley / Garcia match no one could have possibly cared about and basically from then on, while they'd occasionally do big matches on it, it was always treated as just, "That thing on Fridays," without much attempt to sell it as its own consequential thing. Exactly. Sell it as what it really is besides Punk, a show that feels entirely different and unique to AEW for better or worse. Play with that in the advertising and people will find a way to watch it. People aren't going to watch it if they think it is inconsequential shit for the most part like Rampage.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 5, 2023 17:46:33 GMT -5
They rolled this show out almost like expecting fans to pitch the show for themselves instead of doing much to explain it onscreen. It's night and day with the way they promoted shows prior. Like really, compare the rollout of this to the build to the First Dance, the hype was insane and they built to it so well, with Collision it's just like "cmon you get it. cmonnnn." There really needs to more storylines and big moments to define what this show is just past the returning people too IMO. The first show not having any kind of ending hook for storylines moving forward feels like another blunder in line with the rest of this show's start, just not giving people who would be engaged reasons to stick around. Now watch this weeks do a bajillion viewers so all my whining about the show promotion/advertising is promptly rendered irrelevant. Really they're doing the same thing they did with Rampage. They ended the First Dance on a pointless Moxley / Garcia match no one could have possibly cared about and basically from then on, while they'd occasionally do big matches on it, it was always treated as just, "That thing on Fridays," without much attempt to sell it as its own consequential thing. On the plus side, Rampage is doing well lately, and presenting good matches with storyline development to people It's becoming more experimental ground, it's helping it. QTV and Harley Cameron have actually become must see viewing for me lol
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 5, 2023 17:48:33 GMT -5
Really they're doing the same thing they did with Rampage. They ended the First Dance on a pointless Moxley / Garcia match no one could have possibly cared about and basically from then on, while they'd occasionally do big matches on it, it was always treated as just, "That thing on Fridays," without much attempt to sell it as its own consequential thing. Exactly. Sell it as what it really is besides Punk, a show that feels entirely different and unique to AEW for better or worse. Play with that in the advertising and people will find a way to watch it. People aren't going to watch it if they think it is inconsequential shit for the most part like Rampage. I do agree with this, and I think as the weeks go on and they continue to develop their storylines, they can have more Dynamite like advertisements for the show. Building up the Owen and the other things like House of Black vs Andrade, following up Ethan Page's promo and match with MJF possibly, stuff like that will help sell the product, and do it well. Collision needs to be the brand that helps others get built up, or showcased further, so far, they are getting that off the ground, but hopefully, people see it, they market it, and it gets more steady viewing.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Jul 5, 2023 17:50:15 GMT -5
Exactly. Sell it as what it really is besides Punk, a show that feels entirely different and unique to AEW for better or worse. Play with that in the advertising and people will find a way to watch it. People aren't going to watch it if they think it is inconsequential shit for the most part like Rampage. I do agree with this, and I think as the weeks go on and they continue to develop their storylines, they can have more Dynamite like advertisements for the show. Building up the Owen and the other things like House of Black vs Andrade, following up Ethan Page's promo and match with MJF possibly, stuff like that will help sell the product, and do it well. Collision needs to be the brand that helps others get built up, or showcased further, so far, they are getting that off the ground, but hopefully, people see it, they market it, and it gets more steady viewing. Yeah just advertise it right. You don't even need to do it "right", just advertise it way more. There's no way it should be promoted less than Dynamite right now, not with it just starting recently. They advertise it and it'll do fine but if they continue to advertise it the way they have, this shit is gonna drop like an ubisoft game after a month on the shelves.
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Post by mistery on Jul 5, 2023 17:57:44 GMT -5
Again, the issue boils down to two key things.
1) The show is on Saturday evening/night, a death slot. And it's only going to get worse once college ball starts back up.
2) There's too much wrestling in the week now. I'll keep it to the two major promotions (WWE and AEW), but here is the average time per week, wrestling wise for shows that air on TV:
3 hours of RAW 2 hours of NXT 2 hours of Smackdown
2 hours of Dynamite 2 hours of Collision 1 hour of Rampage
And that's all assuming there isn't a PPV or PLE that weekend either. So that's 12 hours of wrestling a week. Most people are going to be burnt out by Saturday outside of PPVs/PLEs, which are major shows.
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Post by Dub H on Jul 5, 2023 19:17:13 GMT -5
Punk tanked the image of the company and of Tony Khan ,screwed multiple storylines ,assaulted people. Then we got to hear how Punk is the savior of AEW and Collision, that they needed him for it, kept still insulting whoever he wanted , got to be the face of the show calling himself the billion while being paid millions to draw under 500k and trying to make Collision the him vs everyone else show. It was literally the second coming. If anything all the dunking is still too light . If I haven't said it before I'll just say Ratings Threads and CM Punk bring out very healthy, normal responses from people lately. I said I would bow out of the thread because people were being affected negatively and saying I was being too much,as someone that has batted for you after people attacked for you for your past mistakes all I'm gonna say is not cool to do so after that.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 5, 2023 19:23:01 GMT -5
If I haven't said it before I'll just say Ratings Threads and CM Punk bring out very healthy, normal responses from people lately. I said I would bow out of the thread because people were being affected negatively and saying I was being too much,as someone that has batted for you after people attacked for you for your past mistakes all I'm gonna say is not cool to do so after that. I wasn't trying to come at you specifically, I'm more just fed up with how the ratings threads bring out the worst in people, and as you said, you bowed out due to that as well So I'm sorry if I went a bit too far, it's not a shot at you personally, I promise you that
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Post by King Devitt on Jul 5, 2023 21:23:25 GMT -5
Like, I'm far from a CM Punk fan after Muffingate, but some of you really need to touch some grass when it comes to this obsessive dislike of him. Okay, so I tried what you said. And while I feel f***ing great, I still really don't like CM Punk. Oh wait...oh shit...you said TOUCH some grass. I did it wrong.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Jul 5, 2023 21:45:25 GMT -5
Punk tanked the image of the company and of Tony Khan ,screwed multiple storylines ,assaulted people. Then we got to hear how Punk is the savior of AEW and Collision, that they needed him for it, kept still insulting whoever he wanted , got to be the face of the show calling himself the billion while being paid millions to draw under 500k and trying to make Collision the him vs everyone else show. If anything all the dunkig is still to light . The company is about to break the all time attendance record for a wrestling show and drew a record gate for Forbidden Door. Can we please stop with the hyperbole? Come on. You can dislike Punk, that's one thing, but let's not pretend his stupid shit did irreparable damage. It didn't. Doesn't this rhetorical question, like Occam's Razor, cut both ways? Two big selling shows do not necessarily a boom represent. Forbidden Door drawing a record gate had the novelty of 1) being the first AEW PPV in Canada and 2) seeing NJPW talent interact with the AEW roster. AEW doing so well with Wembley is impressive, obviously, but I wonder if it's been a success for reasons as logical and likely as the market overseas is starved for live-action American wrestling, let along starved for live-action wrestling TV and PPVs, and the last big show that aired overseas before the tickets became available for purchase was the WWE Clash at the Castle show, and I know the ME of that show left a sour taste in the mouths of those who thought it was time for a title change. *Could* Wembley being such a boon, business-wise, indicate the popularity of AEW in Europe? Undoubtedly. Is AEW's possible popularity the only reason why the Wembley numbers blew up like they did? Not at all. Could it be a combination of both factors? Of course. But I'm a bit skeptical of how hard AEW fans have been pointing at Wembley as a "see?!?" or a "gotcha!" when Wembley is could (just) be an exception, an exceptional exception, but an exception nonetheless. Maybe this rating is the exceptional exception of AEW's nadir, but something that isn't representative of the overall picture of the company's popularity. Time will ultimately tell us what was what. I was wrong about the long-term prospect of AEW after the success of All In years ago. Maybe I'll be wrong again, and happily, because wrestling is better with AEW existing than not. I just think it's funny how people could run themselves cold showers for weeks on end with the amount of water they carry for Tony Khan.
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Post by r. on Jul 5, 2023 21:58:21 GMT -5
This was the fallout show after a great PPV that had a hot ending, perhaps the reason wrestling is down was due to the holidays?
"Wrestling is down" Shows a graph with raw getting nearly 2 million viewers.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Jul 5, 2023 22:01:45 GMT -5
Like, I'm far from a CM Punk fan after Muffingate, but some of you really need to touch some grass when it comes to this obsessive dislike of him. Okay, so I tried what you said. And while I feel f***ing great, I still really don't like CM Punk. Oh wait...oh shit...you said TOUCH some grass. I did it wrong. I smoked some grass and now all I want is to talk more shit on CM Punk and eat his ice cream bars
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jul 5, 2023 22:16:30 GMT -5
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 5, 2023 22:21:19 GMT -5
People are insane if they think Collision still isn't like tripling the numbers in that spot they were doing just showing movie reruns, like people astound me, and also show their full ass sometimes when it comes to not understanding ratings in the slightest...
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