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Post by sarkerpolseng on Jul 19, 2023 18:02:18 GMT -5
Figured I would make a thread, since it is discussed often.
Does AEW need to stop running Chicago and Vegas so often? Is this leading to less hot crowds in typically hot markets? I think AEW has to run Chicago at least 10 times a year.
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Post by Mike Strike on Jul 19, 2023 18:07:28 GMT -5
Figured I would make a thread, since it is discussed often. Does AEW need to stop running Chicago and Vegas so often? Is this leading to less hot crowds in typically hot markets? I think AEW has to run Chicago at least 10 times a year. I was at DoN, we were not quiet. |
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jul 19, 2023 18:08:02 GMT -5
Vegas is fine. It's once a year and it's a travel destination. Even in a relatively cold year, they did a million dollar gate. Chicago, it is what it is. They have two traditions that have usually done well and they have gone there for other occasions that are usually Punk specific. As long as they continue to draw, it's fine. They're going to the NYC area a few times in the next few months and it should be all right given it's a massive market. A good rule of thumb is no more than once every 6-9 months except for larger markets or markets that are especially good for travel.
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Post by sarkerpolseng on Jul 19, 2023 18:15:31 GMT -5
Vegas is fine. It's once a year and it's a travel destination. Even in a relatively cold year, they did a million dollar gate. Chicago, it is what it is. They have two traditions that have usually done well and they have gone there for other occasions that are usually Punk specific. As long as they continue to draw, it's fine. They're going to the NYC area a few times in the next few months and it should be all right given it's a massive market. A good rule of thumb is no more than once every 6-9 months except for larger markets or markets that are especially good for travel. Vegas and Chi are pretty much guaranteed 2 or 3 of the five ppvs of the year, every year. I don't like that. |
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 19, 2023 18:18:48 GMT -5
Vegas is fine. It's once a year and it's a travel destination. Even in a relatively cold year, they did a million dollar gate. Chicago, it is what it is. They have two traditions that have usually done well and they have gone there for other occasions that are usually Punk specific. As long as they continue to draw, it's fine. They're going to the NYC area a few times in the next few months and it should be all right given it's a massive market. A good rule of thumb is no more than once every 6-9 months except for larger markets or markets that are especially good for travel. Vegas and Chi are pretty much guaranteed 2 or 3 of the five ppvs of the year, every year. I don't like that. They've been discussing more PPVs though, that's a pretty big topical point for that... |
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Post by KME on Jul 19, 2023 18:21:02 GMT -5
Figured I would make a thread, since it is discussed often. Does AEW need to stop running Chicago and Vegas so often? Is this leading to less hot crowds in typically hot markets? I think AEW has to run Chicago at least 10 times a year. I was at DoN, we were not quiet. Seen a lot of people that were there say the same thing but it seems a bit too much of a coincidence that the Vegas Dynamite and PPV were both pretty dead while most other crowds have been red hot either side of it, apart from one in Canada recently (I forget which one), and that the Vegas crowd was actually vocal for some stuff on the show like the Battle Royale, everything involving Jade and Stat and the Pillars Match, but deathly silent for other stuff. I don't really buy it just being a sound issue, it came across as a seriously, seriously quiet crowd on TV for an AEW PPV. |
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Post by Fake Jesus on Jul 19, 2023 18:30:03 GMT -5
Figured I would make a thread, since it is discussed often. Does AEW need to stop running Chicago and Vegas so often? Is this leading to less hot crowds in typically hot markets? I think AEW has to run Chicago at least 10 times a year. I was at DoN, we were not quiet. I watched DoN: yes you were. |
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 19, 2023 18:50:32 GMT -5
Vegas most who were there for DoN insist that the building was loud so I'm willing to concede that. Chicago getting All Out week and Thanksgiving may be something they need to re-evaluate but Chicago continues to be fairly hot for them.
I think AEW was a little slow to leave the same couple of markets when touring began and it did hurt some of their numbers, but I think they've gotten to a schedule where it's enough to not oversaturate.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jul 19, 2023 19:06:14 GMT -5
I was at DoN, we were not quiet. Seen a lot of people that were there say the same thing but it seems a bit too much of a coincidence that the Vegas Dynamite and PPV were both pretty dead while most other crowds have been red hot either side of it, apart from one in Canada recently (I forget which one), and that the Vegas crowd was actually vocal for some stuff on the show like the Battle Royale, everything involving Jade and Stat and the Pillars Match, but deathly silent for other stuff. I don't really buy it just being a sound issue, it came across as a seriously, seriously quiet crowd on TV for an AEW PPV. It was the Hamilton shows, especially the Collision taping. |
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Post by Mike Strike on Jul 19, 2023 19:32:22 GMT -5
I was at DoN, we were not quiet. I watched DoN: yes you were. Blame the mics or something, then. |
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Post by eJm on Jul 19, 2023 20:20:52 GMT -5
I was at DoN, we were not quiet. I watched DoN: yes you were. I mean, considering the history of mixing issues with AEW, more likely to believe the person who was actually at the show. |
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Post by Fake Jesus on Jul 19, 2023 20:43:53 GMT -5
I watched DoN: yes you were. I mean, considering the history of mixing issues with AEW, more likely to believe the person who was actually at the show. Ah right, I forgot that people in the crowd have the power of flight and know what it sounded like outside their section. Almost everyone who goes to a dead show insists "oh no, we were actually loud" |
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Post by eJm on Jul 19, 2023 21:39:48 GMT -5
I mean, considering the history of mixing issues with AEW, more likely to believe the person who was actually at the show. Ah right, I forgot that people in the crowd have the power of flight and know what it sounded like outside their section. Almost everyone who goes to a dead show insists "oh no, we were actually loud" There was no need for the sarcasm, the topic is absolutely not worth it for one. The other is, if people in various sections were saying it was loud enough, it’s hard for me not to conclude it was a mixing issue for that show. People weren’t exactly leaping to the defense on the Dynamite before so that’s sort of how I see it. |
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Post by KME on Jul 19, 2023 22:46:10 GMT -5
I said it at the time but no mixing issue could possibly explain the people you could see directly in front of the camera just sat on their hands or meandering around the way you see in WWE's Saudi Arabia shows, they just weren't reacting to things, you could see they weren't getting to their feet, weren't chanting etc for most of the show, and yet they were doing so for odd bits and sure enough you heard more noise then. Like, tonight's show you'd know the crowd was rabid even if the volume was screwed, you could just see how engaged the crowd was. Tbh I saw fan footage from DON of certain spots and it didn't sound very loud on those either.
It's possible that some people who thought they were loud overall were in a loud section, even a bad crowd won't be 100% bad and will have plenty of fans really trying to generate an atmosphere, while others flat out just won't want to believe or admit they were part of a crowd that put a massive dampener on a major show.
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Post by lockedontarget on Jul 19, 2023 23:31:29 GMT -5
Do y’all actually think it’s impossible to tell if a crowd overall is dead or hot when you are there live?
I’ve been to many shows. From Wrestlemanias to Dynamites. It’s not hard, folks. The human ear and mind can actually determine where noises are coming from.
I’ve absolutely been to shows where the hard camera section isn’t hot but the majority of the crowd is. I’ve also been to multiple AEW shows specifically where the broadcast version does not capture the crowd very well. So let’s maybe stop treating people who were actually at the show as if they are either liars or fools.
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Post by KME on Jul 20, 2023 9:44:50 GMT -5
Do y’all actually think it’s impossible to tell if a crowd overall is dead or hot when you are there live? I’ve been to many shows. From Wrestlemanias to Dynamites. It’s not hard, folks. The human ear and mind can actually determine where noises are coming from. I’ve absolutely been to shows where the hard camera section isn’t hot but the majority of the crowd is. I’ve also been to multiple AEW shows specifically where the broadcast version does not capture the crowd very well. So let’s maybe stop treating people who were actually at the show as if they are either liars or fools. Think that's total bollocks tbh, its insulting the intelligence of far more people by saying that it was only the sound that was the issue, despite the fact whenever something particularly cool happened the sound issues magically disappeared, can't think there's many who watched that PPV at home and didn't think that crowd was anything less than one of the worst ever, it's definitely a contentious point to be saying "no guys, we were really loud, trust us!". I've spent my whole life around Football (soccer) fans who talk about their clubs grounds amazing atmosphere when they flat out don't have one so I'm naturally cynical over anyone talking up stuff like that anyway, if a crowd sounds shit, looks shit and everyone else watching thought they were shit they were probably shit. AEW has sound issues all the time yet apart from the Hamilton crowd they never, ever sound like the Vegas crowd did for Dynamite and Double or Nothing, it's a clear pattern and it's hardly a surprise considering the event didn't even nearly sell out, it was one of their worst selling shows ever, if not the worst. The fans in front of the camera were visibly zombiefied, and the ones behind the camera... weren't there, there's pictures showing it was just basically an empty stand, so is it really likely the rest of the arena was making some great noise? You could just see the wrestlers at Double or Nothing weren't feeding off the crowd for christ sake, I don't remember a single mention from the commentators about the crowd either, when they're good they bring it up as they did last night. Virtually everything indicates the crowd was terrible. And tbh even if they were great the poor ticket sales should be reason enough to not be heading back to Vegas in a hurry. |
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Post by salz4life on Jul 20, 2023 10:50:36 GMT -5
I watched DoN: yes you were. I mean, considering the history of mixing issues with AEW, more likely to believe the person who was actually at the show. Bingo. The sound mixing with AEW shows has been terrible since the beginning. |
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Jul 20, 2023 11:22:50 GMT -5
I’ve only been to one show, Worcester last summer. That building was LOUD. Rock concert atmosphere for Mox’ entrance to kick off the show and it was loud all night. Watching the DVR back the next day and it definitely doesn’t translate to TV.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Jul 20, 2023 11:46:23 GMT -5
Vegas is fine. It's once a year and it's a travel destination. Even in a relatively cold year, they did a million dollar gate. Chicago, it is what it is. They have two traditions that have usually done well and they have gone there for other occasions that are usually Punk specific. As long as they continue to draw, it's fine. They're going to the NYC area a few times in the next few months and it should be all right given it's a massive market. A good rule of thumb is no more than once every 6-9 months except for larger markets or markets that are especially good for travel. Putting all Punk related matters aside Chicago remains a regional hub and the largest market outside of NYC east of the Mississippi. So it makes sense to me to run the region fairly often. |
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Jul 21, 2023 1:34:26 GMT -5
Come to beautiful Brookings, SD and have a few shows. You could run them in the new SDSU college basketball arena. I would at least try to go.  |
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