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Post by Fade on Jul 31, 2023 21:26:02 GMT -5
The fact that all roads prbly lead to a “unification” match gives me the solace that we more than likely aren’t getting two top belts cause f*** that shit for AEW.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jul 31, 2023 21:33:50 GMT -5
I feel like almost every major wrestling promotion has done something like this. It's a classic wrestling storyline. Yeah, for a heel. Not your top face. The dude got injured twice and never defended the belt and he's supposed to be the good guy? He already did it before as a face:
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 31, 2023 22:03:51 GMT -5
The fact that all roads prbly lead to a “unification” match gives me the solace that we more than likely aren’t getting two top belts cause f*** that shit for AEW. Yeah it's only gonna be used as a crutch for Punk to get a defense or two in as "champion" to claim to MJF he's a more deserving and fighting "champion" than he has been If MJF stays face with Cole we could have a lot of interesting interactions here.
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Post by bearned on Jul 31, 2023 22:42:09 GMT -5
I’m fine with it as long as it eventually leads to some form of ‘unification’ match (which he should lose) and the way I saw it from his promo, that seems to be the way it’s headed…
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 1, 2023 6:10:01 GMT -5
Although I do get some of the criticisms of this angle in various ways, there is no way if Punk comes back they aren't doing an 'I never lost the belt' angle
And as I have said before I think putting the word 'real' before it, even without quotation marks, specifically highlights that isn't real, or it wouldn't be protesting so much
I don't even agree that much with the argument that a face shouldn't be doing this, partly because Punk has done exactly this as a face before in 2011 and partly because AEW is all about those shades of grey that usually irritate me, given earlier in the same show a babyface threw a woman off a ladder and through a table
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Aug 1, 2023 6:37:23 GMT -5
Yeah, for a heel. Not your top face. The dude got injured twice and never defended the belt and he's supposed to be the good guy? He already did it before as a face: He wasn't hurt there. His contract ran out in kayfabe and he was a conquering hero. Can you seriously not see the difference
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Post by eJm on Aug 1, 2023 6:58:56 GMT -5
I'm cool with Punk thinking it's the real world championship, cool with Ricky wanting to take it away from Punk. Where I start to go 'ehhh' is when Tony Khan tweets out a match graphic which says 'REAL WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP: CM Punk vs Ricky Starks'. But I have decided to headcanon away this nitpick by pretending that Tony is in kayfabe trying to petulantly undermine MJF as the real champion because of the whole 'fire me ya mark' thing. Going to leave the tweet here as a reference that even though the graphic says “Real Worlds Championship”, TK literally said “the belt he’s dubbed as” rather than solidifying it as such.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Aug 1, 2023 7:10:28 GMT -5
He already did it before as a face: He wasn't hurt there. His contract ran out in kayfabe and he was a conquering hero. Can you seriously not see the difference The principle is the same. He lost the title without being beaten for it. And that's applicable to other sports as well. People felt that Joe Frazier wasn't the real champion until he beat Ali. Some people didn't see Cormier as a real champion until he beat Jones for it. Regardless of why the person was stripped of the title, it's not a heel move inherently to say I'm still the guy to beat. To beat the man and all that stuff.
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Post by Kalmia on Aug 1, 2023 7:26:44 GMT -5
Punk has lost to Starks since coming back. If someone is going to do a "I'm the champ and nobody has beaten me" angle, don't book them to lose in their first major singles match back.
Even by fake champion standards, this is a mess.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Aug 1, 2023 7:32:01 GMT -5
He wasn't hurt there. His contract ran out in kayfabe and he was a conquering hero. Can you seriously not see the difference The principle is the same. He lost the title without being beaten for it. And that's applicable to other sports as well. People felt that Joe Frazier wasn't the real champion until he beat Ali. Some people didn't see Cormier as a real champion until he beat Jones for it. Regardless of why the person was stripped of the title, it's not a heel move inherently to say I'm still the guy to beat. To beat the man and all that stuff. I guess the thing that bothers me is the idea of other people wanting HIS unrecognized belt instead of MJFs official one. (And no, I'm not talking about not wanting the Burberry strap, that has nothing to do with this.) Like, sure, Starks should want to beat him, but he should be pointing out that that belt is worthless.
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Post by Bo Rida on Aug 1, 2023 7:32:51 GMT -5
I feel like almost every major wrestling promotion has done something like this. It's a classic wrestling storyline. It's all about the execution though. Every stock wrestling storyline has good and bad examples. So far this one has left a lot of holes leaving people questioning the angle and the reactions of everyone involved.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Aug 1, 2023 7:42:30 GMT -5
Can't wait for the Ultimate X match.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Aug 1, 2023 7:49:17 GMT -5
I'm really sceptical about the whole thing but I'm willing to see what happens on and after Collision.
Two world titles would be the worst case scenario but hopefully it's not heading towards that. AEW have earned the benefit of the doubt for me.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 1, 2023 8:18:15 GMT -5
watching the segment I'm fine with the angle because "at least to me" it feels like they're clearly playing up that it's both on an ego trip
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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on Aug 1, 2023 9:28:49 GMT -5
You mean the Twitter Division Championship? Nyla Rose should be the champion, then.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 1, 2023 10:06:03 GMT -5
"What we have right now....is A MAN.....THAT'LL WALK AROUND TOWN TONIGHT.....CLAIMING TO BE.....THE REAL WORLD'S CHAMPION!!!" “And every time I see your old lady Dax, I’ma kiss him on those moist…wet….lips! Whoooo!”
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Post by grunt on Aug 1, 2023 11:28:48 GMT -5
How 'bout, instead of a straightforward semi-Face MJF vs tweener Punk Unification match, Ricky Starks finds a way to get added to said match (just end the Punk/Starks match with Steamboat-related shenanigans, or something), and ends up on top, stealing the win and rebranding the belt the AEW Absolute Championship, if just for a few months ?
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Post by Dub H on Aug 1, 2023 11:29:56 GMT -5
I called right I saw Ricky cheated to win that soon enough Punk would get a clean win back.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Aug 1, 2023 14:06:31 GMT -5
watching the segment I'm fine with the angle because "at least to me" it feels like they're clearly playing up that it's both on an ego trip My issue is that we've said this constantly about storylines in AEW (mostly with Cody and Punk) and it turns out that there was no subtext and we just have faces who come off as douchebags.
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Post by Fade on Aug 1, 2023 15:23:23 GMT -5
He wasn't hurt there. His contract ran out in kayfabe and he was a conquering hero. Can you seriously not see the difference The principle is the same. He lost the title without being beaten for it. And that's applicable to other sports as well. People felt that Joe Frazier wasn't the real champion until he beat Ali. Some people didn't see Cormier as a real champion until he beat Jones for it. Regardless of why the person was stripped of the title, it's not a heel move inherently to say I'm still the guy to beat. To beat the man and all that stuff. The context is completely different though. Dude went on an infamous tirade and backstage fight that’s all led us to here. And that leads to “is he face? Is heel?. If he’s face, why is he acting heelish at times and doing heel things? If he’s heel, why pair him up with Ricky who seems to be going heel too??”. I feel this has been regurgitated a million times, I’m getting dizzy just thinking about it, so we’ll see what happens I guess.
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