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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 2, 2023 8:52:07 GMT -5
The principle is the same. He lost the title without being beaten for it. And that's applicable to other sports as well. People felt that Joe Frazier wasn't the real champion until he beat Ali. Some people didn't see Cormier as a real champion until he beat Jones for it. Regardless of why the person was stripped of the title, it's not a heel move inherently to say I'm still the guy to beat. To beat the man and all that stuff. The context is completely different though. Dude went on an infamous tirade and backstage fight that’s all led us to here. And that leads to “is he face? Is heel?. If he’s face, why is he acting heelish at times and doing heel things? If he’s heel, why pair him up with Ricky who seems to be going heel too??”. I feel this has been regurgitated a million times, I’m getting dizzy just thinking about it, so we’ll see what happens I guess. I think it's more or less being portrayed as 2 ego maniacs going at each other. Punk basically saying how Ricky has to cheat to win, and Ricky saying you would have done the same and you're mad cause I did it first. Not saying it's particularly working for everybody, and I get people not liking it, but I don't think they've positioned it to be very clear face vs heel
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Post by dynamitekidd on Aug 3, 2023 1:04:41 GMT -5
I love the fact MJF hasn’t even acknowledged any of this. Except the jock strap line.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Aug 3, 2023 3:53:28 GMT -5
This just makes me want Punk to lose on Saturday but then he pulls out another title, spray paints it and this continues over and over until we’re onto the 20th real world title.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 3, 2023 4:16:15 GMT -5
Looking like they're teasing getting rid of the FTW belt as well, at least if RVD wins it. Makes sense if this goes a bit longer, you don't need two rogue belts.
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Post by BorneAgain on Aug 3, 2023 4:26:27 GMT -5
We need Phil in at least one pre-announced battle royal just so can have a Vince McMahon at Rumble 92 esque narration of "Alleged Real World's Champion CM Punk"
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Post by Blade on Aug 3, 2023 18:57:18 GMT -5
watching the segment I'm fine with the angle because "at least to me" it feels like they're clearly playing up that it's both on an ego trip My issue is that we've said this constantly about storylines in AEW (mostly with Cody and Punk) and it turns out that there was no subtext and we just have faces who come off as douchebags. Friendly reminder that just because people have convinced themselves that's what happened with Cody because he left AEW mid-story, doesn't mean that was actually planned, particularly since Cody has been very ambiguous about it right up until the present moment. Oh, and Punk ALSO left mid-story, so both of your examples are basically just assuming you know what was going to happen when, in fact, you do not. BTW, Swerve also did this for the entire run of his team with Keith Lee and it turned out he wasn't a face who was a douchebag. If Punk's trying to stay a face, literally breaking out Straight Edge Means I'm Better Than You in his promo is a decidedly odd choice. He in fact turned a crowd that was mostly cheering him into one that was mostly booing him. Maybe that was totally accidental. After all, what would CM Punk know about working a crowd?
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