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Post by fw91 on Aug 7, 2023 14:43:05 GMT -5
Disagree. It was pretty clear this was what they were going to do for a minute. Not liking it is fair, but nevertheless they had a plan and stuck to it It was clear that they were going to go the direction of having the guy who initiated Jey turning on Roman, by super kicking Roman and turning on him first, team with his brother in a tag match where they actually defeat Roman and was then severely beaten and hospitalized, only for him to then immediately rejoin/reveal he was always on the side of the guy who he initiated the betrayal of in the first place? Because that's the opposite of clear, and very much contradicts the story they told for the last several months and ultimately makes everything since Wargames utterly pointless. I think you are jumping to conclusions. We don't know that Jimmy rejoined Roman. For all we know, Jimmy wants the credit to be the one that takes down Roman. When did Jimmy rejoin?
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Post by papagiorgio on Aug 7, 2023 14:53:37 GMT -5
They need a feud for Smackdown while Roman sits at home.
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Post by fw91 on Aug 7, 2023 14:56:01 GMT -5
They need a feud for Smackdown while Roman sits at home. that's true
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Aug 7, 2023 14:56:29 GMT -5
It was clear that they were going to go the direction of having the guy who initiated Jey turning on Roman, by super kicking Roman and turning on him first, team with his brother in a tag match where they actually defeat Roman and was then severely beaten and hospitalized, only for him to then immediately rejoin/reveal he was always on the side of the guy who he initiated the betrayal of in the first place? Because that's the opposite of clear, and very much contradicts the story they told for the last several months and ultimately makes everything since Wargames utterly pointless. I think you are jumping to conclusions. We don't know that Jimmy rejoined Roman. For all we know, Jimmy wants the credit to be the one that takes down Roman. When did Jimmy rejoin? Even if he didn’t rejoin (which is without question the most reasonable conclusion to draw based on available information and WWE’s total inability to tell a sensible story) that still makes little to no sense. He was perfectly fine letting Jey score the pin on Roman, and was fully on board with him being chief during Tribal Court. There’s no version of this where any of this makes sense.
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Post by fw91 on Aug 7, 2023 15:06:21 GMT -5
I think you are jumping to conclusions. We don't know that Jimmy rejoined Roman. For all we know, Jimmy wants the credit to be the one that takes down Roman. When did Jimmy rejoin? Even if he didn’t rejoin (which is without question the most reasonable conclusion to draw based on available information and WWE’s total inability to tell a sensible story) that still makes little to no sense. He was perfectly fine letting Jey score the pin on Roman, and was fully on board with him being chief during Tribal Court. because the seed wasn't planted in his head yet. He didn't get "injured" again and see Jey "reap in the benefits" It's frustrating and I get it. But begrudgingly and objectively, I can concede that it makes sense.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Aug 7, 2023 15:14:09 GMT -5
I think you are jumping to conclusions. We don't know that Jimmy rejoined Roman. For all we know, Jimmy wants the credit to be the one that takes down Roman. When did Jimmy rejoin? Even if he didn’t rejoin (which is without question the most reasonable conclusion to draw based on available information and WWE’s total inability to tell a sensible story) that still makes little to no sense. He was perfectly fine letting Jey score the pin on Roman, and was fully on board with him being chief during Tribal Court. There’s no version of this where any of this makes sense. Nothing happened at SummerSlam to even remotely suggest that Jimmy was back in the fold. No smirk from Roman, no evil smile from Heyman. Nothing. Not a blessed thing. WWE's a lot of things, but subtle ain't always the company's strong suit. If Jimmy was back, the story they told on commentary would have suggested it. The story is far more likely to be that Jimmy is angry that his brother couldn't get out of his own way and wanted to go be the hero at a time when he was laid up in a hospital bed. That Jey wanted the glory instead of doing what was right for the family. Is it the best story ever told? No. Does it at least make some sense for a heel? Sure. I'm just as over all of this stuff as everybody else and if you go back and look at my post history, I was about to absolutely lose my mind at Mania, but there's a difference between not liking a story and there being no logic whatsoever to a story. There's some level of logic here, it's just most people here and in some pockets of the internet world are understandably tired of the story. I'm still not sold that the general public that watches the show is tired of it.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Aug 7, 2023 15:18:31 GMT -5
I think you are jumping to conclusions. We don't know that Jimmy rejoined Roman. For all we know, Jimmy wants the credit to be the one that takes down Roman. When did Jimmy rejoin? Even if he didn’t rejoin (which is without question the most reasonable conclusion to draw based on available information and WWE’s total inability to tell a sensible story) that still makes little to no sense. He was perfectly fine letting Jey score the pin on Roman, and was fully on board with him being chief during Tribal Court. The inciting moment for Jimmy's turn (likely) was after those points though. A couple of weeks after he got hurt Jey cut a promo on Roman and one of the lines was something along the lines of "I don't care about x, I don't care y, I don't care about brothers, all I care about is kicking your ass!" I guarantee that's going to be the point of contention for Jimmy. That he feels like Jey cared more about beating Roman and becoming Tribal Chief than about what happened to him. I've been busy and not watched a whole lot of Smackdown in the past month or so but even I've saw enough to understand this.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Aug 7, 2023 15:23:14 GMT -5
Even if he didn’t rejoin (which is without question the most reasonable conclusion to draw based on available information and WWE’s total inability to tell a sensible story) that still makes little to no sense. He was perfectly fine letting Jey score the pin on Roman, and was fully on board with him being chief during Tribal Court. The inciting moment for Jimmy's turn (likely) was after those points though. A couple of weeks after he got hurt Jey cut a promo on Roman and one of the lines was something along the lines of "I don't care about x, I don't care y, I don't care about brothers, all I care about is kicking your ass!" I guarantee that's going to be the point of contention for Jimmy. That he feels like Jey cared more about beating Roman and becoming Tribal Chief than about what happened to him. I've been busy and not watched a whole lot of Smackdown in the past month or so but even I've saw enough to understand this. Right, and he was OK with Jey getting the pin and on board with him being Chief because they were doing it together as a team. This was Jey (in Jimmy's mind) getting distracted by the bright lights instead of doing it as a family.
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Post by Gremlin on Aug 7, 2023 15:49:40 GMT -5
YOU PEOPLE
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Aug 7, 2023 16:46:02 GMT -5
Because Jey was TOO DAMN SELFISH!! That's why Jimmy kicked his leg out of his leg!! Owen actually called Bret “shellfish” and that’s why we kicked his leg out of his leg.
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Post by khali on Aug 7, 2023 16:49:36 GMT -5
What I mostly see here is people extrapolating possible ways they’ll explain a finish that seems really decided to keep the Bloodline feud going and set up a feud to do while Roman disappears.
These storylines need to go somewhere and end at some point. This would kind of be like if they did the Mega Powers explode angle but finally blew it off in like 1991 instead of 1989.
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Post by krozor on Aug 7, 2023 17:25:16 GMT -5
Any explanation around "Jimmy was in the hospital and saw that Jey-" has to get past the question of: right, but why was he in the hospital again? Because his cousin and other brother beat him to death, and they were both right there and should have been #1 and #2 on his list over Jey. And if it's "yeah, but I wanted to do it" well, hey man, instead of having to go through one cousin and one brother to beat Roman, you've just made it so you have to go through one cousin and TWO brothers now.
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Post by fw91 on Aug 7, 2023 17:29:02 GMT -5
Here's a comparison I just saw that I think makes sense. Think of HBK/Undertaker build to mania 26. HBK desperately wanted his rematch with Taker. So how does he do it? He costs him the WHC to Y2J who he had a blood feud with 18 months prior. Did HBK allign with Jericho? Jimmy has beef with Jey. Roman just reaped the benefit.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 7, 2023 17:42:17 GMT -5
Any explanation around "Jimmy was in the hospital and saw that Jey-" has to get past the question of: right, but why was he in the hospital again? Because his cousin and other brother beat him to death, and they were both right there and should have been #1 and #2 on his list over Jey. And if it's "yeah, but I wanted to do it" well, hey man, instead of having to go through one cousin and one brother to beat Roman, you've just made it so you have to go through one cousin and TWO brothers now. The only other alternative I can think of is if he says he's sick of the family bullshit and being dragged into messes that Jey began to begin with. Which would make him both a coward and an idiot, since surely the way to no longer be involved would be to not involve himself, not do it again.
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Post by schma on Aug 7, 2023 18:06:17 GMT -5
Here's a comparison I just saw that I think makes sense. Think of HBK/Undertaker build to mania 26. HBK desperately wanted his rematch with Taker. So how does he do it? He costs him the WHC to Y2J who he had a blood feud with 18 months prior. Did HBK allign with Jericho? Jimmy has beef with Jey. Roman just reaped the benefit. The thing is, Undertaker was refusing to fight HBK. Also, HBK didn't spend 3 years being gaslit into following 'Taker while teasing multiple times that he was going to split form him only to bitch out and stay with Roman.
Also, 18 months is a long time in wrestling time. Sure he had a blood feud with Jericho but that was ancient history in wrestling time. Jimmy was put in the hospital a month or so ago by two guys that he didn't attack. Even if hes jealous of Jey, this is still non-sensical.
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Post by bob on Aug 7, 2023 18:08:26 GMT -5
Danhausen cursed him, turning Jimmy evil
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Post by eJm on Aug 7, 2023 18:27:29 GMT -5
What I mostly see here is people extrapolating possible ways they’ll explain a finish that seems really decided to keep the Bloodline feud going and set up a feud to do while Roman disappears. These storylines need to go somewhere and end at some point. This would kind of be like if they did the Mega Powers explode angle but finally blew it off in like 1991 instead of 1989. Like, here’s the thing, it’s still a successful angle but there can be very easy comparisons to how WCW did the very basic stuff to keep the nWo going because the nWo was still making them money in 98-99 even after it felt logical to end it. You have to remember, the PPV with Hogan/Flair Age in a Cage outdrew the WWF PPV with Stone Cold vs. Vince McMahon in a steel cage. And it’s not to say WWE will die in two years time or waste a bunch of money (they’re in a better spot financially and also being merged basically gives way more oversight on this stuff) but they also spent almost 20 years mocking WCW for the same storyline stretching that’s going on right now.
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Post by knightboat on Aug 8, 2023 1:08:59 GMT -5
He called him prom prince instead of prom king
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Post by stoptheclocks on Aug 10, 2023 10:11:29 GMT -5
Even if he didn’t rejoin (which is without question the most reasonable conclusion to draw based on available information and WWE’s total inability to tell a sensible story) that still makes little to no sense. He was perfectly fine letting Jey score the pin on Roman, and was fully on board with him being chief during Tribal Court. There’s no version of this where any of this makes sense. Nothing happened at SummerSlam to even remotely suggest that Jimmy was back in the fold. No smirk from Roman, no evil smile from Heyman. Nothing. Not a blessed thing. WWE's a lot of things, but subtle ain't always the company's strong suit. If Jimmy was back, the story they told on commentary would have suggested it. The story is far more likely to be that Jimmy is angry that his brother couldn't get out of his own way and wanted to go be the hero at a time when he was laid up in a hospital bed. That Jey wanted the glory instead of doing what was right for the family. Is it the best story ever told? No. Does it at least make some sense for a heel? Sure. I'm just as over all of this stuff as everybody else and if you go back and look at my post history, I was about to absolutely lose my mind at Mania, but there's a difference between not liking a story and there being no logic whatsoever to a story. There's some level of logic here, it's just most people here and in some pockets of the internet world are understandably tired of the story. I'm still not sold that the general public that watches the show is tired of it. It's also worth saying that Jimmy and (and Jey for that matter) have spent year after year being total dickheads. That one of them would eventually screw the other one over is perfectly in keeping with that. So I think it's fine in kayfabe. Non-kayfabe is that the angle is over like gangbusters and drawing numbers no wrestling angle has for years or will ever do again. It's going to take a lot for them to move away from it. I don't think Roman will keep the belt for this long, but I'm certain some version of The Bloodline will still be around next year and probably for years afterwards. They're not killing the golden goose for the sake of telling a neat story.
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Post by kevin on Aug 10, 2023 19:27:39 GMT -5
I think the reason will be Jimmy was jealous of Jey being tribal chef and not him. Also HHH probably wants to book a better twin feud that the Bellas which was awful and ended without a real resolution.
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