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Post by Lance Uppercut on Aug 13, 2023 23:27:13 GMT -5
She seems to really hate Stardom and the Japanese media
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Post by mistery on Aug 13, 2023 23:30:29 GMT -5
Cross posting from the social media thread:
"Its been discussed in the "doesn't deserve its own topic" thread but Asuka's hatred of Stardom is pretty uh...justified in a way? While its less of an issue than it was back then, they leaned HEAVILY into the sex appeal and idol culture aspects of the business. She didn't like how the joshi industry was moving in that direction and wrote a "manifesto" about it, which rubbed a lot of joshi at the time the wrong way and caused a firestorm among the Japanese media.
There's a reason why Asuka is more popular in the west than Japan. It also shows that the media over there still carries a grudge against her for her...very sharp opinions. She got a brief mention at best when she won the RAW title from Bianca and again when she got the new belt. Meanwhile Iyo was on the frontpage of multiple Japanese publications when she won the title at Summerslam."
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Post by AwamoriRock on Aug 13, 2023 23:31:14 GMT -5
Just gonna copypaste/cross post from the other thread:
Asuka essentially has/had a bit of heat in the industry that extended to media coverage/treatment of her. She wrote a manifesto that was a mix of kayfabe for her own promotion but also detailed what appear to be genuine feelings--she was disillusioned with the state of joshi at the time (poppy idol type presentation, moves that don't look real, uniform styles, tired tropes, etc.) and it ruffled a lot of feathers because it came across as a person who had wrestled for five years burying the state of the industry and overstepping her bounds.
Stardom sorta came to embody a lot of her problems, and it's compounded by the fact that she has a strong dislike of Nanae and Fuka. She even appeared to have heat with Iyo when she originally joined Stardom, but that's obviously not a thing anymore.
Asuka to this day is pretty straightforward about what she likes and dislikes in wrestling. She is sort of at odds with a lot of modern joshi because she never grew up wanting to be a wrestler because of joshi wrestling, she admired Inoki, Suzuki, and guys like that. When she first won the title (I think in NXT?) she took to Twitter to state that she is tired of hearing she became a great wrestler because she is from Japan, and specified it's because she's wrestled around the world and been exposed to different styles.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Aug 13, 2023 23:34:25 GMT -5
It’s not that she hates Stardom. The issues she has with Joshi wrestling started long before that.
And despite what you hear online, it wasn’t the manifesto either.
She was already a hot commodity freelancer before STARDOM started, and STARDOM in the beginning was a very different promotion than it is now. And yeah, one that was not a place she would fit in because she had issues with multiple people involved. Rossy, Fuka, and Nanae all had long running problems with her.
There was a point where Asuka pretty much had to make a name for herself outside of Japan. And the media there had a huge part of it.
Io suffered from it too, but unlike Asuka, she had the option to be in STARDOM.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Aug 13, 2023 23:47:21 GMT -5
Hikaru Shida also has issues with Stardom and Rossy.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Aug 14, 2023 0:20:14 GMT -5
Yeah, Asuka's career is ending in WWE. She finishes up with WWE, she's done wrestling and will go back to Japan, but not to wrestle.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Aug 14, 2023 0:30:59 GMT -5
Yeah, Asuka's career is ending in WWE. She finishes up with WWE, she's done wrestling and will go back to Japan, but not to wrestle. I could see her maybe doing a self-produced show or something like that where she's in control of all the booking/appearances etc.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 14, 2023 0:37:48 GMT -5
Yeah, Asuka's career is ending in WWE. She finishes up with WWE, she's done wrestling and will go back to Japan, but not to wrestle. I could see her maybe doing a self-produced show or something like that where she's in control of all the booking/appearances etc. I could see her excelling in that. On the topic in general, I think a lot of people who aren't in the know about it might be confused, but the joshi wrestling scene has a lot of battle lines, grudges, loyalties, drama, etc. There are tons of promotions, current ones and defunct, and a lot of that can be boiled down to "So and so got really pissed off and left to make her own company". Emi Sakura's done it at least twice, alone. It's not like this doesn't happen with guys, too, obviously, or else NJPW and AJPW wouldn't both exist, nor NOAH, but it does feel like the joshi scene can be more volatile in that way.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Aug 14, 2023 0:55:30 GMT -5
I could see her maybe doing a self-produced show or something like that where she's in control of all the booking/appearances etc. I could see her excelling in that. On the topic in general, I think a lot of people who aren't in the know about it might be confused, but the joshi wrestling scene has a lot of battle lines, grudges, loyalties, drama, etc. There are tons of promotions, current ones and defunct, and a lot of that can be boiled down to "So and so got really pissed off and left to make her own company". Emi Sakura's done it at least twice, alone. It's not like this doesn't happen with guys, too, obviously, or else NJPW and AJPW wouldn't both exist, nor NOAH, but it does feel like the joshi scene can be more volatile in that way. I've seen Emi (jokingly) get angry at fans that wear Ice Ribbon merch at Gatoh Move shows lol.
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Post by sarkerpolseng on Aug 14, 2023 0:56:35 GMT -5
Doesn't Maki Itoh kind of resent her Joshi_/Idol background? For essentually chewing her up and spitting her out?
I might be wrong....
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 14, 2023 1:03:24 GMT -5
Doesn't Maki Itoh kind of resent her Joshi_/Idol background? For essentually chewing her up and spitting her out? I might be wrong.... Her character is based on that, yeah, though I am sure there's an element of truth to it. Idol work is hardcore, and often, unforgiving, and damn sure not lucrative for people on the bottom rungs of it. She got fired from the group she was in and luckily was able to milk that for her excellent character work, because she'd have been likely shit out of luck, otherwise.
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Post by msc on Aug 14, 2023 5:42:38 GMT -5
Asuka could tell me Mr Perfect and Drew Mac were shit and I'd concede her point tbh.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Aug 14, 2023 5:47:03 GMT -5
I have no idea about any of this but if Asuka hates Stardom, I hate Stardom too
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Post by mistery on Aug 14, 2023 6:27:58 GMT -5
I have no idea about any of this but if Asuka hates Stardom, I hate Stardom too Basically she doesn't know the state of Stardom these days (and admitted as much) but it was very much skeevy when she worked in Japan. Sex appeal is very much a strong factor over there. And back then Stardom leaned HEAVILY into it with some pretty damn sketchy photobooks. Nowadays though, Stardom is a lot better when it comes to booking women well and not pressuring them into doing photobooks to make ends meet. They still do an annual swimsuit thing but its largely tame as hell (and optional), even more tame than the ESPN swimsuit stuff. She is mainly concerned for Mina Shirakawa and Syuri, but probably shouldn't be as both are treated very well.
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Post by J is Justice on Aug 14, 2023 6:35:18 GMT -5
I have no idea about any of this but if Asuka hates Stardom, I hate Stardom too Basically she doesn't know the state of Stardom these days (and admitted as much) but it was very much skeevy when she worked in Japan. Sex appeal is very much a strong factor over there. And back then Stardom leaned HEAVILY into it with some pretty damn sketchy photobooks. Nowadays though, Stardom is a lot better when it comes to booking women well and not pressuring them into doing photobooks to make ends meet. They still do an annual swimsuit thing but its largely tame as hell (and optional), even more tame than the ESPN swimsuit stuff. She is mainly concerned for Mina Shirakawa and Syuri, but probably shouldn't be as both are treated very well. No sexy allowed in Stardom these days. Koguma won't stand for it.
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Post by MrElijah on Aug 14, 2023 7:33:14 GMT -5
I could see her maybe doing a self-produced show or something like that where she's in control of all the booking/appearances etc. I could see her excelling in that. On the topic in general, I think a lot of people who aren't in the know about it might be confused, but the joshi wrestling scene has a lot of battle lines, grudges, loyalties, drama, etc. There are tons of promotions, current ones and defunct, and a lot of that can be boiled down to "So and so got really pissed off and left to make her own company". Emi Sakura's done it at least twice, alone. It's not like this doesn't happen with guys, too, obviously, or else NJPW and AJPW wouldn't both exist, nor NOAH, but it does feel like the joshi scene can be more volatile in that way. On the men's side of things, it's crazy to see, like dojos/houses, how you can connect most of puroresu together starting from the JWA.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 14, 2023 7:42:45 GMT -5
I could see her excelling in that. On the topic in general, I think a lot of people who aren't in the know about it might be confused, but the joshi wrestling scene has a lot of battle lines, grudges, loyalties, drama, etc. There are tons of promotions, current ones and defunct, and a lot of that can be boiled down to "So and so got really pissed off and left to make her own company". Emi Sakura's done it at least twice, alone. It's not like this doesn't happen with guys, too, obviously, or else NJPW and AJPW wouldn't both exist, nor NOAH, but it does feel like the joshi scene can be more volatile in that way. On the men's side of things, it's crazy to see, like dojos/houses, how you can connect most of puroresu together starting from the JWA. Yeah, it's often close relationships. Hell, even Onita, found of FMW and the furthest thing from what you'd expect from AJPW, used to be their Jr. Heavyweight ace and a son figure to Giant Baba and his wife.
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Post by asuka007 on Aug 14, 2023 9:36:52 GMT -5
Iyo also signed with STARDOM right when she was part of Triple Tails with Asuka and Io’s sister Mio.
I imagine that did not help matters either.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Aug 14, 2023 9:52:32 GMT -5
She’s right. Awesome she’s in a position now where she can call out the bull****.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2023 10:02:12 GMT -5
I love that this started over some guy criticizing her eating pineapple pizza...because OF COURSE that would be what sets Asuka off lol.
But , there is absoloute true feelings she is bringing up from a decade+ manifesto she put out but also while it was not intended from what I understand to be anything other than kayfabe but just pissed off alot of the old hats at the time.
But Asuka is a slick one though because to me this isn't her druging up old things for no reason this is her building a feud with IYO and all you have to do is look at one line in her entire rant.
"STARDOM WAS BUILT TO TRY AND DESTROY ME"...and who is or are the ones credited really making STARDOM into what it is...IO , KAIRI and MAYU , the daughters of STARDOM.
But alot of people assume she might just be a bit tipsy and is ranting and raving and she would very well be but we go from some guy bashing her for pineapple pizza to her ranting about her old manifesto is like a U turn off a cliff and changing 9 different vehicles in the time only to do a few loopty loops and settle back where she started , but I think people might have taken this the wrong way and don't realize this might just be her educating people who have no idea about her history in Japan and assume she is angry for whatever reason.
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