john84
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Post by john84 on May 12, 2024 16:46:43 GMT -5
It's a shame that Ted Turner is in no shape to do interviews anymore as he would have been a good talking head for the Black Saturday episode. Yeah, I've always been curious to hear more from Ted's side as I don't recall that many interviews from him regarding wrestling. I think all the ones I've seen with him has been with his corporate hat on.
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Allie Kitsune
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 13, 2024 10:56:14 GMT -5
Even though the "glowing red eyes" thing with the Chris Adams ep. was kind of lame, it's also not too far from things that actually happen.
Whenever my father went into "absolute rage" mode, his skin would turn Satan Red.
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MolotovMocktail
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Post by MolotovMocktail on May 13, 2024 21:37:00 GMT -5
I don't think its all "I wish I did it first" more like "We had a good thing going why rock the boat?" Meltzer was right Gagne or Crockett would have done it if they had the chance. That boat was getting rocked whether the old-school promoters liked it or not. Cable television wasn't coming, it was already there. If you weren't trying to go national in the mid-1980s, you were actively hurting your own business in the name of tradition. Honestly, there were only two promotions that had a chance nationally. Vince McMahon and the WWF were the first out of the gate, but they also had a decent-sized head start because they operated out of the country's largest media market and had a cable deal with USA. Jim Crockett Promotions also had a good head start because they already had the backing of TBS, which had a decade of national coverage under its belt. But by that point, Verne and the AWA and the Von Erichs and WCCW were too late to the party with their partnerships with ESPN, which came in 1985 and 1988 respectively. By that point, the national expansion horse was clear out of the barn and they were playing catch-up. Could it have been that cable would have helped the territories since more people nationwide would be watching more wrestling? That’s what YouTube did to the indies, where now anyone can watch a promotion anywhere in the country. Of course any inconsistencies between promotions could also mean kayfabe getting exposed earlier on.
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Post by 魔界5号 on May 13, 2024 23:44:38 GMT -5
Enjoyed this season but felt like more than a couple of episodes were unnecessary fluff and not really befitting the, well, “dark” side of the ring. There are a myriad of interesting people and topics they’ve yet to cover but we get a Brutus Beefcake episode instead. I get not every episode can be insanely depressing or filled with crazy stories but you’d think they’d wanna maximize the 10 or so episodes they get per season with the most interesting stuff possible.
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Post by jason1980s on May 14, 2024 0:14:30 GMT -5
Sherri one got me emotional when the son started talking near the end about how he doesn't hate her and how much he loves his step-mother. Not embarrassed to admit I shed a tear there. I was getting a little wet around the eyes and sniffling about mid way through but once the son spoke at the very end and brought on his step mom, the tears were uncontrollable. His body is so ravaged and he's so young. They showed him at the hall of fame 2006 and he looked huge. I'm glad he still has family who can take care of him. It's good to know he has a lot of love during this period. I wonder if the show reached out to Sherri's last husband. Google really brings up very little to nothing about him other than his name.
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Post by BRV on May 14, 2024 13:00:28 GMT -5
Could it have been that cable would have helped the territories since more people nationwide would be watching more wrestling? That’s what YouTube did to the indies, where now anyone can watch a promotion anywhere in the country. Of course any inconsistencies between promotions could also mean kayfabe getting exposed earlier on. Cable only would have showcased the gulf between the haves and the have-nots. It was never a rising tide that would lift all boats - it would elevate some and crush others. Look at all the wrestling promotions that came along during the advent of cable, yet only two thrived for an extended period of time: WWF and JCP/NWA/WCW. Every other company was either permanently in the indies or died on the vine. Sure, you could argue that cable would have been good exposure for companies, but eventually they would have to embark on some sort of national tour to continue to grow, and the old school promoters were totally opposed to touring nationally, because that would mean infringing on another promoter's land. For example, the AWA had top names like Sgt. Slaughter and Bob Backlund in the 1980s, but what good would it do the company or its performers for them to only run shows in the upper midwest? So while cable was the death knell of the territory days, it was a willingness to tour nationally that really ended that era of wrestling. Because with cable television, the only way to grow would be to tour from coast to coast.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on May 15, 2024 14:00:04 GMT -5
That boat was getting rocked whether the old-school promoters liked it or not. Cable television wasn't coming, it was already there. If you weren't trying to go national in the mid-1980s, you were actively hurting your own business in the name of tradition. Honestly, there were only two promotions that had a chance nationally. Vince McMahon and the WWF were the first out of the gate, but they also had a decent-sized head start because they operated out of the country's largest media market and had a cable deal with USA. Jim Crockett Promotions also had a good head start because they already had the backing of TBS, which had a decade of national coverage under its belt. But by that point, Verne and the AWA and the Von Erichs and WCCW were too late to the party with their partnerships with ESPN, which came in 1985 and 1988 respectively. By that point, the national expansion horse was clear out of the barn and they were playing catch-up. I think had Fritz really seen the landscape and tried to go national in 83 or 84 like Vince, he could've made it work... granted, in hindsight, he probably crashes and burns because of family deaths... but just looking at the time, that territory was insanely hot and was starting to be seen outside of Dallas already. I think I remember the boys bringing it up to Fritz and some point and he just didn't want to do it. Again, in hindsight, it probably wasn't going to work, but just looking at how hot they were in 82, 83 and 84.... they could've made a go. Might have jus tbeen the deep south,but pretty much everyone i know that grew up in LA/MS/AL during the 80s got WCCW on one of the many ovver the air religious channels. We got it on channel 31 at 8pm Saturdays,right after their Teen music show and before their weekly Family Movie. 31 I think was Trinity Broadcasting Network but might have been one of the many other OTA religious channels back then.
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Post by James Fabiano on May 15, 2024 18:32:42 GMT -5
I think had Fritz really seen the landscape and tried to go national in 83 or 84 like Vince, he could've made it work... granted, in hindsight, he probably crashes and burns because of family deaths... but just looking at the time, that territory was insanely hot and was starting to be seen outside of Dallas already. I think I remember the boys bringing it up to Fritz and some point and he just didn't want to do it. Again, in hindsight, it probably wasn't going to work, but just looking at how hot they were in 82, 83 and 84.... they could've made a go. Might have jus tbeen the deep south,but pretty much everyone i know that grew up in LA/MS/AL during the 80s got WCCW on one of the many ovver the air religious channels. We got it on channel 31 at 8pm Saturdays,right after their Teen music show and before their weekly Family Movie. 31 I think was Trinity Broadcasting Network but might have been one of the many other OTA religious channels back then. Closest I can think of to that was CTN, the New Jersey Cable Television Network, which was where I think JCP's Worldwide could be seen. ECW got there too in the mid-90s, before the channel went under. Forget how much religious content if any was on CTN...only other show I remember was reruns of the game show Take My Word For It. (Then again, if they allowed ECW, I doubt it was even partially religious...) WCCW here was usually on the Madison Square Garden Network, then the Legends' show on ESPN. I want to say ESPN got fresh episodes too by the late 80s. Now for my random channel story? Supposedly CWA, the Memphis area, was on the Financial News Network in the NYC area. Don't ask me, I tried but never saw it there. Could be cause I didn't get FNN all day. It shared a station with MSG.
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Lardlad
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Post by Lardlad on May 16, 2024 20:14:19 GMT -5
Is this the same Dark Side of the Ring guys we're used to?
"Who Killed WCW?" Series premieres Tuesday, June 4 on VICE. Must be the same guys?
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on May 18, 2024 18:25:49 GMT -5
Is this the same Dark Side of the Ring guys we're used to? "Who Killed WCW?" Series premieres Tuesday, June 4 on VICE. Must be the same guys? The Rock and his ex-wife are also involved. It’s more like Tales From the Territories than DOTR.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on May 19, 2024 8:36:32 GMT -5
Is this the same Dark Side of the Ring guys we're used to? "Who Killed WCW?" Series premieres Tuesday, June 4 on VICE. Must be the same guys? The Rock and his ex-wife are also involved. It’s more like Tales From the Territories than DOTR. It appears this will be closer to Dark Side in style. Talking head documentary sorta thing rather then roundtable discussions like Tales from the Territories. I have no idea how directly Rocky, Evan or Jason were in the production of the show, or if they're just names attached to get it made and get stars involved.
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