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Post by Kalmia on Oct 2, 2023 18:50:25 GMT -5
People complaining about Edge's age are forgetting that more athletes are going past their 40s, 50s and so on because of better conditioning techniques than what were available to previous generations. That and top notch nutrition can give any talent a shot at a few more good matches. I don't see it as a negative except in the case of Flair and he's in his 70s anyway. Copeland also had several years of retirement because of his neck issues. Those years wouldn't have just healed his neck, but they would have given his entire body a rest from wrestling and will allow him to carry on for a little longer. if the neck problems hadn't happened and he continued wrestling full-time through those years, he probably wouldn't be in the shape he is now. The neck injury sucked for taking those prime years away from him but those years without taking any bumps will help him go a little longer now.
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Post by britishbulldog on Oct 2, 2023 18:59:54 GMT -5
If he’s happy awesome. Two things I wonder. 1 what he came back until recently he said he can’t do full time, that it takes him way longer to recover. So hopefully he holds up, I’m aware he can still go in a limited basis. 2. Multiple reports over the years of people basically taking veterans they don’t know anything, wonder how that will go over if it comes up.
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Post by Mr Captain Falcon on Oct 2, 2023 19:01:33 GMT -5
ADAM COPE BAYBAY!
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Oct 2, 2023 19:01:56 GMT -5
If he’s happy awesome. Two things I wonder. 1 what he came back until recently he said he can’t do full time, that it takes him way longer to recover. So hopefully he holds up, I’m aware he can still go in a limited basis. 2. Multiple reports over the years of people basically taking veterans they don’t know anything, wonder how that will go over if it comes up. Copeland seemed to preempt some of that last night at the scrum by saying he's there for anyone that feels they could benefit from his advice. Seems to be a pretty diplomatic way of getting into the fray, all things considered.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Oct 2, 2023 19:05:39 GMT -5
If he’s happy awesome. Two things I wonder. 1 what he came back until recently he said he can’t do full time, that it takes him way longer to recover. So hopefully he holds up, I’m aware he can still go in a limited basis. 2. Multiple reports over the years of people basically taking veterans they don’t know anything, wonder how that will go over if it comes up. Copeland seemed to preempt some of that last night at the scrum by saying he's there for anyone that feels they could benefit from his advice. Seems to be a pretty diplomatic way of getting into the fray, all things considered. Have there been any actual reports of that beyond CM Punk wanking that people (Adam Page) didn’t treat him like the god of wrestling?
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Post by Kalmia on Oct 2, 2023 19:13:12 GMT -5
AEW has a ton of people backstage who wrestlers can get advice from. There's Dustin Rhodes, QT Marshall, Dean Malenko, Jerry Lynn, Christopher Daniels, Chris Jericho, Bryan Danielson, and a ton of others I can't think of off the top of my head. There's absolutely no need for one person to be the only one they go to and just because someone isn't getting help from Person A doesn't mean they aren't getting help from anyone at all.
I think Copeland will understand that better than some other people in the past have, judging by his answer at the scrum. Leave your door open for anyone who wants help, but don't get pissed at people when they don't ask.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Oct 2, 2023 19:26:50 GMT -5
Regal does jump to mind as a guy who offered advice and then people didn't really turn up for it. But Regal's also a guy who spent years in WWE's developmental system that does things a veyr very specific way and intentionally pushes people out of indie habits, so I can see why the looser structure would lead to a difference in people looking to take up those ideas. But Regal also came to AEW not wanting to be an on-screen talent and very much wanted to be a teacher; AEW ended up not needing him so he politely bowed out to continue doing in WWE what his passion is. Only Punk comes to mind as someone who's like actually gotten mad that his advice wasn't taken up, give or take a few dumbass comments from Mark Henry that are wholly Mark Henry comments because Mark Henry's got kind of a shitty old school mindset about stuff.
If Copeland/anyone else can be healthy about putting advice out there into the world without feeling the necessity to berate people for not taking or seeking that advice, then they're a good asset. AEW isn't a training center and there's no need to demand anyone take their advice.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 2, 2023 19:43:42 GMT -5
There's a difference between coming to veterans and seeking their advice and veterans thinking they're entitled to it. Punk comes to mind for the latter, but we've also seen newbies like Jade Cargill come to people like Bryan Danielson for extra training and advice on how to get better. In Regal's case, I think it was thinking that a lot of the folks on the roster were relatively green when they already have a lot of experience outside of the WWE system.
Copeland I think wants to be more of a helping hand and elder statesman than a teacher, specifically. His enthusiasm in the scrum was also infectious and I think that respect for what's already happening as just a big fan of wrestling in general will get more positively received.
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Post by britishbulldog on Oct 2, 2023 19:54:06 GMT -5
Copeland seemed to preempt some of that last night at the scrum by saying he's there for anyone that feels they could benefit from his advice. Seems to be a pretty diplomatic way of getting into the fray, all things considered. Have there been any actual reports of that beyond CM Punk wanking that people (Adam Page) didn’t treat him like the god of wrestling? One if regal complaints was that people didn’t want to listen
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Oct 2, 2023 20:18:07 GMT -5
Have there been any actual reports of that beyond CM Punk wanking that people (Adam Page) didn’t treat him like the god of wrestling? One if regal complaints was that people didn’t want to listen If I remember correctly that was notoriously reliable source Konnan saying that Regal felt like the young guys didn’t reach out enough for advice. I’m not sure Regal ever said it himself. And that’s also much different than “basically telling the veterans they don’t know anything.” This feels like one of those entirely manufactured controversies. It seems like the vast majority of the veterans who have gone to AEW have been perfectly fine with the locker room.
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Post by Terry McConkey on Oct 2, 2023 21:08:17 GMT -5
This is how Pearce has to debut in AEW: Is that Don Callis from the back?
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Post by jm on Oct 2, 2023 21:11:25 GMT -5
I just thought of something: How much would it cost to book Tony Chimel to appear at All In: London next year to do Adam's introduction during his entrance?
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Post by 06vwgti on Oct 2, 2023 21:13:25 GMT -5
Been singing Metalingus all day lol I'm excited to see where this goes. Like Christian before him, it's going to take a while for him to adjust to life away from the WWE, both in ring and in terms of creative control. But he knows the consensus on his return from retirement isn't glowing praise, he's gonna be motivated as hell. And AEW have a proven track record of hitting it out of the park with these veteran runs. It always shocked me how well Christian did when he went from WWE to TNA. I do think with Christian being there in AEW putting in the best work of his career is going to light a fire to Copeland which is going to help. Though part of me wonders how much of a difference it makes that Christian left during the prime of his career into TNA, vs what Copeland is doing now. Also, I think when they mentioned he is going to be there every week, I don't think he'll be wrestling all the time, probably something like Christian, with promo work, managing a younger guy, and also wrestling once a month or so.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Oct 2, 2023 21:14:07 GMT -5
I think the other thing to remember is AEW very much a place where if you are creative and/or pitching ideas you're going to continue to get chances. It may be more on ROH/Rampage but they reward creativity. But the thing to remember is not everyone is super creative nor are they comfortable pitching ideas so there are pros and cons.
It's also easy to forget someone like Brian Pillman was still seen as a pretty big prospect in 2021, and he was given a few chances to shine after the Varsity BLondes had a good match vs the Bucks. He just wasn't ready and it seemed like he lost all of his confidence after he fell off the ropes during his match with Malakai. Now will NXT be able to rebuild him? maybe.
Now as for Regal I think there were some rumors that were shot down that Regal didn't enjoy his time in AEW, but reading between the lines it felt like there may have been, for lack of a better word, differences of opinion on what Regal's role in the company should be.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Oct 2, 2023 21:37:47 GMT -5
This is how Pearce has to debut in AEW: Is that Don Callis from the back? After getting thrown out beforehand.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Oct 2, 2023 21:41:08 GMT -5
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Post by The anti-ratings Luddite on Oct 2, 2023 21:57:41 GMT -5
AEW has a ton of people backstage who wrestlers can get advice from. There's Dustin Rhodes, QT Marshall, Dean Malenko, Jerry Lynn, Christopher Daniels, Chris Jericho, Bryan Danielson, and a ton of others I can't think of off the top of my head. There's absolutely no need for one person to be the only one they go to and just because someone isn't getting help from Person A doesn't mean they aren't getting help from anyone at all. I think Copeland will understand that better than some other people in the past have, judging by his answer at the scrum. Leave your door open for anyone who wants help, but don't get pissed at people when they don't ask.
There are certain talent that I feel are probably going to gravitate to Copeland, like Darby, ironically enough, but yeah, I don't see him being a Punk type who wants the ring kissed at all times.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 2, 2023 22:22:17 GMT -5
That's awesome, people thought it was Beth when they listened to it too I seriously wonder who the original was...
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Post by eJm on Oct 2, 2023 23:32:38 GMT -5
I mean, that half second sounds better than Edge’s 2K23 VO lines for MyRise so glad he got a better microphone in that time.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Oct 3, 2023 1:03:51 GMT -5
I mean, that half second sounds better than Edge’s 2K23 VO lines for MyRise so glad he got a better microphone in that time. It really is funny how obviously he and Sami are literally phoning in their performances.
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