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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Oct 15, 2023 20:41:39 GMT -5
I was just watching Matt Sydal be manhandled by Wardlow on Title Tuesday and couldn’t help but think of this.
When Sydal first left WWE I was holding out hope he’d stay out of AEW and instead be a big fish on the indie circuit. There’s just so few guys left from the early days of ROH still making the rounds. At least AEW let’s him take some outside bookings, but he’s hardly PCO reinventing himself or something.
Also, while he hasn’t been completely misused by any stretch, Bryan Danielson could definitely be better used. I would have had him be the face of the ROH brand and have him run with that title since Tony was hellbent on having control of the ROH brand. Failing that MJF/Danielson had so much potential that was barely realized. Tony just shot his wad with an iron man match and called it a day. Now MJF is defending secondary tag titles on PPVs and Danielson is doing something completely different. Oh well at least we got the match with ZSJ.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 15, 2023 22:11:04 GMT -5
Sydal is wrestling on a ton of other Indies and ROH, and is like the go to plug and play swiss army knife of a wrestler, he can do whatever is asked of him
I think he's doing just fine, and as for Danielson, dude just beat Okada and Sabre Jr back to back... I think he's also doing just fine
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Post by Nosnorb on Oct 15, 2023 22:15:37 GMT -5
When Sydal first left WWE I was holding out hope he’d stay out of AEW Sydal left WWE in 2014, so it was pretty easy to stay out of AEW back then.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Oct 15, 2023 22:28:36 GMT -5
When Sydal first left WWE I was holding out hope he’d stay out of AEW Sydal left WWE in 2014, so it was pretty easy to stay out of AEW back then. Hmm looks like a brain fart on my part. I must have been thinking about someone else I felt that about. Or maybe it was Sydal and he was signed to some place else for a while before going to AEW. I’m not sure. Anyway, Wardlow powerbombing him 4 times leading to a ref stoppage didn’t get me too excited to see his next match.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Oct 15, 2023 22:40:52 GMT -5
Generally speaking, I actually think getting the most out of veteran wrestlers is one of AEW’s greatest strengths.
Christian is having the best run of his entire career. Sting is having a universally beloved run with the occasional great match well into his sixties. Billy Gunn nearing 60 is a champion and part of one of the hottest acts in the company. I know Jericho takes some flak from time to time for “stealing heat” or whatever but, on balance, his AEW run has been one of his best ever. Samoa Joe feels rejuvenated since arriving in AEW. I could really go on and on.
Guys like Sydal and Christopher Daniels are veterans who at this stage of their careers are best suited to be credible opponents to help elevate younger talent, but who could believably move up the card at a moment’s notice, if needed. I think AEW is using them right, too.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Oct 15, 2023 23:03:42 GMT -5
I say this only with love, but Matt Sydal is not the kind of veteran who can be just outrageously misused by not being pushed hard. He's incredibly talented and decorated, he's a trailblazer for the style, but he's not the kind of guy you get your hands on and have to make sure you don't mishandle. Far as Danielson goes, nah it's pretty clear Danielson doesn't want to be and can't be. He's having trouble staying healthy enough to work a full time schedule and he isn't interested in holding any belts. But he's consistently around, he's winning matches, and he's apparently contributing a lot backstage and creatively.
Do wanna echo Denny Zen though that AEW's done a great job at finding the right way to handle their veterans. AEW has managed to breathe life into a lot of acts by actually, meaningfully giving the rub to younger talent using their older names. It's frankly one of Tony's biggest surprsie strengths as a new booker because so many people without experience do it wrong and fail to find the balance he's found really well with a lot of names.
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Post by Chuck Conry on Oct 16, 2023 0:51:56 GMT -5
They way AEW books old WWE vets I'm shocked that the Hardys aren't booked better but I figured that's got more to do with Jeff's history.
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Post by Nosnorb on Oct 16, 2023 0:55:56 GMT -5
They way AEW books old WWE vets I'm shocked that the Hardys aren't booked better but I figured that's got more to do with Jeff's history. They are also totally cooked in ring, so that's another reason they are a mid card tag team now.
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Post by LiamMcDuggle on Oct 16, 2023 1:39:16 GMT -5
I was just watching Matt Sydal be manhandled by Wardlow on Title Tuesday and couldn’t help but think of this. When Sydal first left WWE I was holding out hope he’d stay out of AEW and instead be a big fish on the indie circuit. There’s just so few guys left from the early days of ROH still making the rounds. At least AEW let’s him take some outside bookings, but he’s hardly PCO reinventing himself or something. Also, while he hasn’t been completely misused by any stretch, Bryan Danielson could definitely be better used. I would have had him be the face of the ROH brand and have him run with that title since Tony was hellbent on having control of the ROH brand. Failing that MJF/Danielson had so much potential that was barely realized. Tony just shot his wad with an iron man match and called it a day. Now MJF is defending secondary tag titles on PPVs and Danielson is doing something completely different. Oh well at least we got the match with ZSJ. While I think Edge and Christian will have a great feud, I think AEW would have been better off having Edge jump into a feud with MJF. MJF needs available threats to the AEW title and has been mostly feuding with unestablished talent during his reign
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Oct 16, 2023 3:46:05 GMT -5
For what they must be getting paid to be there, the Big Show and Mark Henry have been a complete waste of money.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Oct 16, 2023 4:43:36 GMT -5
Sydal's being misused simply because if he's getting squashed, he's not putting out the banger he's capable of putting out with damn near anyone.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 16, 2023 5:30:56 GMT -5
For what they must be getting paid to be there, the Big Show and Mark Henry have been a complete waste of money. Mark Henry does a lot backstage and internally. He also is a connection to other aspects of sports. He's the entire reason they got Giannis on a Dynamite Both of them also run local advertisements and draw eyes of people who might not know AEW but know Big Show and Mark Henry. A ton of community outreach from both men And from a wrestling standpoint? You can't say they haven't coached people. Big Bill now has one of the crispest chokeslams in wrestling. Satnam's looks fantastic too and even Jade incorporated it. Mark looks to be coaching up Hobbs for this latest run as well. To say they are a complete waste of money is extremely disingenuous, just because they aren't on screen at all times does not mean they haven't been helping or worth it.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Oct 16, 2023 6:39:11 GMT -5
For what they must be getting paid to be there, the Big Show and Mark Henry have been a complete waste of money. Mark Henry does a lot backstage and internally. He also is a connection to other aspects of sports. He's the entire reason they got Giannis on a Dynamite Both of them also run local advertisements and draw eyes of people who might not know AEW but know Big Show and Mark Henry. A ton of community outreach from both men And from a wrestling standpoint? You can't say they haven't coached people. Big Bill now has one of the crispest chokeslams in wrestling. Satnam's looks fantastic too and even Jade incorporated it. Mark looks to be coaching up Hobbs for this latest run as well. To say they are a complete waste of money is extremely disingenuous, just because they aren't on screen at all times does not mean they haven't been helping or worth it. Yeah neither of them was really brought in to take a spot on the card, they were brought in to be agents.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 16, 2023 13:20:18 GMT -5
Yeah, Mark Henry was never brought in as a wrestler. I'd say the only place he's really been wasted was trying to make him work as a commentator and it just didn't work out. Otherwise, he wanted to do backstage stuff and community outreach and WWE wasn't interested in him doing that (or maybe not interested in paying him enough to do that), so he gets to do that in AEW.
I imagine Paul Wight wanted to do more wrestling-wise, but again, he also really wanted to do more backstage and community outreach stuff. And for someone like Paul, his body might not cooperate.
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Post by Kalmia on Oct 16, 2023 13:38:39 GMT -5
Yeah, Mark Henry was never brought in as a wrestler. I'd say the only place he's really been wasted was trying to make him work as a commentator and it just didn't work out. Otherwise, he wanted to do backstage stuff and community outreach and WWE wasn't interested in him doing that (or maybe not interested in paying him enough to do that), so he gets to do that in AEW. I imagine Paul Wight wanted to do more wrestling-wise, but again, he also really wanted to do more backstage and community outreach stuff. And for someone like Paul, his body might not cooperate. IIRC, Wight had knee surgery last year so he hasn't been in the shape to wrestle.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Oct 16, 2023 13:55:26 GMT -5
For what they must be getting paid to be there, the Big Show and Mark Henry have been a complete waste of money. Mark Henry does a lot backstage and internally. He also is a connection to other aspects of sports. He's the entire reason they got Giannis on a Dynamite Both of them also run local advertisements and draw eyes of people who might not know AEW but know Big Show and Mark Henry. A ton of community outreach from both men And from a wrestling standpoint? You can't say they haven't coached people. Big Bill now has one of the crispest chokeslams in wrestling. Satnam's looks fantastic too and even Jade incorporated it. Mark looks to be coaching up Hobbs for this latest run as well. To say they are a complete waste of money is extremely disingenuous, just because they aren't on screen at all times does not mean they haven't been helping or worth it. Plus wasn't Mark responsible for Hobbs and Jade choosing AEW?
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Post by eJm on Oct 16, 2023 15:28:57 GMT -5
Plus wasn't Mark responsible for Hobbs and Jade choosing AEW? I believe it was only the WWE tryout Mark was responsible for getting her into. Which makes it weird in how he got both Danielson and Jade involved in WWE and then Danielson trained Jade in AEW.
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Post by mrpeacock on Oct 16, 2023 17:09:24 GMT -5
For what they must be getting paid to be there, the Big Show and Mark Henry have been a complete waste of money. Mark Henry does a lot backstage and internally. He also is a connection to other aspects of sports. He's the entire reason they got Giannis on a Dynamite Both of them also run local advertisements and draw eyes of people who might not know AEW but know Big Show and Mark Henry. A ton of community outreach from both men And from a wrestling standpoint? You can't say they haven't coached people. Big Bill now has one of the crispest chokeslams in wrestling. Satnam's looks fantastic too and even Jade incorporated it. Mark looks to be coaching up Hobbs for this latest run as well. To say they are a complete waste of money is extremely disingenuous, just because they aren't on screen at all times does not mean they haven't been helping or worth it. Has there been reports on those people being coached by Big Show and Mark Henry?
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Post by The anti-ratings Luddite on Oct 16, 2023 17:55:36 GMT -5
They're used damn near perfectly.
Copeland, Christian, and Jericho are the only ones over 45 that ever sniff the main event, and outside of Copeland (who hasn't had time to do work with any younger talent yet, really) it's clear that they're there to train up and put over the younger guys.
Sting, Billy Gunn, etc... they're exactly what they should be, which is accessories to younger acts to give a bit of extra help to them. 10$ says if you ask Sting, he'd tell you the same thing.
Now, I've heard numerous times that the old timers are bitchy about the younger talent not coming to them for advice, but I think there's 2 sides to that: 1. AEW has very few actual greenhorn talents, they just may not be "national TV known". 2. Wrestling has changed SO much in the past 20-30 years on the in-ring end that I'm not sure there's much to ask. Wrestling is as much an art as it is a sport, and some things you simply can't teach. For every time one of them has a complaint about talent not listening, you have stories of Daniel Bryan helping Jade Cargill, and how Jericho specifically requested Daniel Garcia.
So, yeah, I think any time I hear an old-timer complaining about the kids "not listening", I think it's just sour grapes.
I'd still listen to anything Jake Roberts ever said about how to cut a promo, though.
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Post by 4real on Oct 17, 2023 3:18:31 GMT -5
Paul Wight hasn’t turned nearly enough in AEW for my liking.
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