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Post by ChitownKnight on Nov 1, 2023 13:23:31 GMT -5
Watching this as a 13 year old, it seemed weird, but looking back on it on the network, especially with the current climate it’s like bruh. How did they get away with having Kane as the face lol. JR was talking about “Comon, that’s his wife” when Edge made out with Lita trying to sympathize with Kane
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 1, 2023 17:37:22 GMT -5
They didn't know what to do with Lita getting heel reactions. So they just put any shit on air.
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Post by chazraps on Nov 1, 2023 17:40:32 GMT -5
It's really amazing any of us remained fans through that shit. 2004/2005 was diiiiiiire. (I stopped watching summer 2005 until about January 2008 so it may have gotten worse)
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Post by Nosnorb on Nov 1, 2023 17:49:10 GMT -5
They didn't know what to do with Lita getting heel reactions. "Heel Reactions" doesn't do the crowds of that time justice. They were chanting that Lita was a crack whore after the Edge/Lita affair became public knowledge, so they had Lita join up with Edge in order to build towards a program when Matt Hardy came back from injury, and that's how Kane played a babyface that wasn't only a rapist, but a stand in for another wrestler. |
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Post by johnnyk9 on Nov 1, 2023 18:52:09 GMT -5
Kane coming out fro under the ring at the wedding was cool
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Post by Renslayer on Nov 2, 2023 1:38:41 GMT -5
They didn't know what to do with Lita getting heel reactions. "Heel Reactions" doesn't do the crowds of that time justice. They were chanting that Lita was a crack whore after the Edge/Lita affair became public knowledge, so they had Lita join up with Edge in order to build towards a program when Matt Hardy came back from injury, and that's how Kane played a babyface that wasn't only a rapist, but a stand in for another wrestler. Stuff like that is why I always side eye folks who wanna go back to previous eras. The highs were incredible, but the lows were "I'm never watching this shit again" low |
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Nov 2, 2023 3:26:21 GMT -5
It was not a good time across all media for shit like that. Buffy the Vampire Slayer {Spoiler}Spike attempts to rape Buffy, and she has to fight him off. Despite that we're still supposed to like Spike, and want Buffy and Spike to get together. Veronica Mars {Spoiler}Veronica was raped, and in season 2 it's revealed that Beaver raped her. How was Beaver able to rape her? Because she drank a drugged drink. The drugs were provided by Logan Echolls, who was giving them to guys so their girlfriends would loosen up. The drugged drink wasn't meant for Veronica, it was meant for Madison Sinclair she handed the drink off to Veronica, without knowing that it had been drugged. Who drugged Madison? Dick, her boyfriend at the time. And yet we were supposed to hate Madison, but like Logan and Dick. Hell we were supposed to root for Logan and Veronica to get together. Somehow out of Logan, Dick, and Madison, the only one we were supposed to be mad at, and Veronica was mad at was Madison. You know, the intended victim who didn't know the drink was drugged. Oh, at that same party, Logan also drugged his best friend Duncan. And that's only 2 examples. How many soap operas had the woman fall in love with her kidnapper/rapist? They were able to get away with because shit like that was happening in pop culture. |
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Nov 2, 2023 6:12:20 GMT -5
It was not a good time across all media for shit like that. Buffy the Vampire Slayer {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Spike attempts to rape Buffy, and she has to fight him off. Despite that we're still supposed to like Spike, and want Buffy and Spike to get together. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}
They at least had Spike show remorse and work to amend for it later in the season. It was *very* stupid and they *shouldn't* have done it, but at least they didn't ignore it. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 2, 2023 11:22:03 GMT -5
That Buffy episode was the same year Anakin confessed mass murder of women and children to Padme, and she responded by marrying him.
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Post by jimmyjames on Nov 3, 2023 3:40:27 GMT -5
It was not a good time across all media for shit like that. Buffy the Vampire Slayer {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Spike attempts to rape Buffy, and she has to fight him off. Despite that we're still supposed to like Spike, and want Buffy and Spike to get together. Veronica Mars {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Veronica was raped, and in season 2 it's revealed that Beaver raped her. How was Beaver able to rape her? Because she drank a drugged drink. The drugs were provided by Logan Echolls, who was giving them to guys so their girlfriends would loosen up. The drugged drink wasn't meant for Veronica, it was meant for Madison Sinclair she handed the drink off to Veronica, without knowing that it had been drugged. Who drugged Madison? Dick, her boyfriend at the time. And yet we were supposed to hate Madison, but like Logan and Dick. Hell we were supposed to root for Logan and Veronica to get together. Somehow out of Logan, Dick, and Madison, the only one we were supposed to be mad at, and Veronica was mad at was Madison. You know, the intended victim who didn't know the drink was drugged. Oh, at that same party, Logan also drugged his best friend Duncan. And that's only 2 examples. How many soap operas had the woman fall in love with her kidnapper/rapist? They were able to get away with because shit like that was happening in pop culture. I know this isn't wrestling related but The Luke and Laura storyline on General Hospital from the 70s, this great romantic story and wedding is F*&$% up. |
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Post by Mid-Carder on Nov 3, 2023 4:12:03 GMT -5
Lita had to be punished for having an affair by *checks notes* Vince McMahon and *checks notes again* Triple H and Stephanie McMahon
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Post by Sephiroth on Nov 3, 2023 7:18:29 GMT -5
But it did launch the brief popularity of Snitsky
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Nov 3, 2023 7:20:38 GMT -5
"You forget, I sent Matt Hardy to the Depths of Hell."
I will not apologize for liking that line.
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Post by Nosnorb on Nov 3, 2023 12:02:40 GMT -5
But it did launch the brief popularity of Snitsky IT WASN'T HIS FAULT! |
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Nov 3, 2023 14:27:33 GMT -5
One of my favorite bad angles ever
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 3, 2023 20:17:39 GMT -5
It's really amazing any of us remained fans through that shit. 2004/2005 was diiiiiiire. (I stopped watching summer 2005 until about January 2008 so it may have gotten worse) Early 2004 was when I decided I'd try to get back into watching regularly, having mostly given up on current wrestling and only checking in now and then from around early 2000 through the next couple of years. By early 2005 I was utterly done. Thank God ROH was running wild at that point. |
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Post by Mike Strike on Nov 4, 2023 1:34:23 GMT -5
It was not a good time across all media for shit like that. Buffy the Vampire Slayer {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Spike attempts to rape Buffy, and she has to fight him off. Despite that we're still supposed to like Spike, and want Buffy and Spike to get together. Veronica Mars {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Veronica was raped, and in season 2 it's revealed that Beaver raped her. How was Beaver able to rape her? Because she drank a drugged drink. The drugs were provided by Logan Echolls, who was giving them to guys so their girlfriends would loosen up. The drugged drink wasn't meant for Veronica, it was meant for Madison Sinclair she handed the drink off to Veronica, without knowing that it had been drugged. Who drugged Madison? Dick, her boyfriend at the time. And yet we were supposed to hate Madison, but like Logan and Dick. Hell we were supposed to root for Logan and Veronica to get together. Somehow out of Logan, Dick, and Madison, the only one we were supposed to be mad at, and Veronica was mad at was Madison. You know, the intended victim who didn't know the drink was drugged. Oh, at that same party, Logan also drugged his best friend Duncan. And that's only 2 examples. How many soap operas had the woman fall in love with her kidnapper/rapist? They were able to get away with because shit like that was happening in pop culture. I know this isn't wrestling related but The Luke and Laura storyline on General Hospital from the 70s, this great romantic story and wedding is F*&$% up. I watched the first Rocky film last month &God damn did Adrian needed some cops at the end of that "date". |
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 4, 2023 2:00:16 GMT -5
Lita had to be punished for having an affair by *checks notes* Vince McMahon and *checks notes again* Triple H and Stephanie McMahon I get the sentiment, but that wasn't a punishment. She was given a ton of airtime in prominent angles and probably got paid a ton of money for it. They did f*** her over on the retirement before she was treated better on her subsequent returns, but the Edge storyline was salvaging the state wrestling fans' treatment of her had her in. |
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Post by Mid-Carder on Nov 4, 2023 3:18:57 GMT -5
Lita had to be punished for having an affair by *checks notes* Vince McMahon and *checks notes again* Triple H and Stephanie McMahon I get the sentiment, but that wasn't a punishment. She was given a ton of airtime in prominent angles and probably got paid a ton of money for it. They did f*** her over on the retirement before she was treated better on her subsequent returns, but the Edge storyline was salvaging the state wrestling fans' treatment of her had her in. We'll have to agree to disagree there. She was unhappy through that whole storyline, begged them not to do the Live Sex Celebration and was incessantly insulted in promos. Sure felt like a punishment to me. |
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Post by Sephiroth on Nov 4, 2023 7:44:31 GMT -5
I get the sentiment, but that wasn't a punishment. She was given a ton of airtime in prominent angles and probably got paid a ton of money for it. They did f*** her over on the retirement before she was treated better on her subsequent returns, but the Edge storyline was salvaging the state wrestling fans' treatment of her had her in. We'll have to agree to disagree there. She was unhappy through that whole storyline, begged them not to do the Live Sex Celebration and was incessantly insulted in promos. Sure felt like a punishment to me. She was getting heel reactions, and what she did to garner those reactions was a pretty low thing yo do, so turning her heel made sense. That says I can have empathy that having your dirty laundry aired out so publicly had to be humiliating, and the degree of venom she got subjected to was insanely intense. I’m sure it was uncomfortable for just about all concerned perhaps for edge hundred, who got the biggest run of his career up to then out of it. But the angle with Kane was a bizarre direction to go in. They could have tried going the route of edge seduced and manipulated her as a way of enhancing his own star power, but they would have been tricky to convey. |
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