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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Nov 25, 2023 9:47:30 GMT -5
How ever you want to interpret the question, I thought this might make for some fun stories and maybe even pics  Inspired by the Blu-ray label Code Red. On another forum I’m on I remember a lot of people criticized the company’s owner Bill Olsen for bootlegging his own stuff. How is bootlegging your own stuff possible? Let me explain. In an interview that’s available on YouTube Olsen said that he would go onto Amazon or eBay and see things he intended to sell for like $20 going for around $100. People are actually paying $100 on Amazon and eBay, but if he raises the price on his website to $100, everyone is going to think he’s an asshole and complain. Then he looks over in his apartment and sees he still has like 300 copies of this Blu-ray it took him a few dollars to make. Before he passed away I remember some accused Olsen of connecting the dots and just going on Amazon and eBay under different handles to sell his items at inflated prices and in the words of others, bootlegged his own stuff. Although I don’t think he ever admitted to it, he really drew the ire of some online sleuths who may have definitively proven it. That thread on another forum goes into it, but too much minutia for me |
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Nov 25, 2023 9:59:46 GMT -5
Different, but kinda related to bootlegging their own stuff.
When Karl Pilkington was encouraging people to watch his new TV show "Sick of It" the link he shared on Facebook and Twitter to watch it was to a piracy streaming website
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Post by Spider2024 on Nov 25, 2023 9:59:59 GMT -5
Does the Rainbow Six: Vegas 2 mess count?
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Post by James Fabiano on Nov 25, 2023 10:11:16 GMT -5
Hanna-Barbera with Scooby-Doo.
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Post by EP 54 is banned from Collision on Nov 25, 2023 10:11:34 GMT -5
The story of the Klon Centaur guitar overdrive pedal is interesting. A handbuilt overdrive pedal that was super trendy. Because it was hand-built, and difficult to get hold of, second hand prices were insane. The guy who made it (an engineer called Bill Finnegan) eventually discontinued it, because it wasn't actually making him much money. Eventually, he redesigned it to the Klon KTR which was much easier to build so that someone else could do it.
In between the Centaur being discontinued and the KTR being released, he refused to make any more. He did, however build a few to give to a friend who was struggling financially to sell on eBay, thus, kind of, bootlegging his own work.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Nov 25, 2023 15:55:10 GMT -5
The amount of highlights and documentaries that just use youtube rips of moments they could find somewhere are amazing. Especially baffling when ESPN or other sports networks do it
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Post by sychobeetle on Nov 25, 2023 20:40:07 GMT -5
As a toy collector who enjoys collecting bootleg stuff one of my favorites is a line called The Defenders,a GI Joe knockoff made by Hasbro itself.
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Post by bibboid on Nov 25, 2023 23:22:33 GMT -5
Does it count that Haim Saban made show after show after show with interchangeable characters and villains and stories. You got Power Rangers and VR Troopers and BeetleBorgs and Samurai SyberSquad. The dude got rich by stealing his own idea over and over.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 25, 2023 23:51:36 GMT -5
Midway having multiple attempts to recreate Mortal Kombat's success by shamelessly ripping it off might count, even with the fact Ed Boon and the others actually making Mortal Kombat were not pleased and felt it was detrimental to Mortal Kombat, probably because it kind of was.
One that I think is a clearer example would be John Carmack and the rest of id Software licensing the Wolfenstein 3D engine they created for Super Nintendo to Wisdom Tree to make Super Noah's Ark for the SNES. While Wisdom Tree DID license the engine fair and square, what makes it a bootleg was that they did it while evading Super Nintendo's protections intended to prevent unauthorized cartridges, something id Software were fully aware Wisdom Tree intended to do, licensing it to them anyway, thus leaving them still connected to what was essentially still a bootleg game in its own way.
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Post by DSR on Nov 26, 2023 2:21:20 GMT -5
Astron-6, a low-budget filmmaking collective in Canada, made the film FATHER'S DAY for Troma. Before the film got an official disc release (that Astron-6 presumably would've got a cut of the profits on), Lloyd Kaufman would sell bootlegs of the movie at festivals and screenings. Which led to the film getting pirated, which led to a falling out between Astron-6 and Troma.
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Post by Bo Rida on Nov 26, 2023 5:49:16 GMT -5
Video game companies have stolen other people's emulators to use for re-releases.
They also sometimes use roms because they lost their source code, or something, I don't quite understand but basically they're offering nothing pirate's don't instead of doing it properly.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Nov 27, 2023 3:08:24 GMT -5
"Bootleg." Is that anything like a footstool?
Moltar, put "bootlegs" on our list. Next to "footstools."
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Post by ZERO on Nov 29, 2023 4:47:41 GMT -5
Does it count that Haim Saban made show after show after show with interchangeable characters and villains and stories. You got Power Rangers and VR Troopers and BeetleBorgs and Samurai SyberSquad. The dude got rich by stealing his own idea over and over. Superhuman Samurai Syber Squad wasn't Saban. That was made by DIC. The japanese source material came from a different company, too. All of those Saban shows adapted Toei properties (Super Sentai, Kamen Rider, Metal Hero), SSSS came from the Tsuburaya show Denkou Choujin Gridman. But yeah, it's crazy that he did it. I think he was anticipating a wave of imitators so he got in with those first, too. |
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Post by Gunhaver on Nov 29, 2023 5:20:29 GMT -5
Video game companies have stolen other people's emulators to use for re-releases. They also sometimes use roms because they lost their source code, or something, I don't quite understand but basically they're offering nothing pirate's don't instead of doing it properly. I think a Sega compilation did this at least once, and in another a developer included notes in the code on how to better decompile/emulate the game for hackers. It's a vicious cycle. |
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Post by Rumble McSkirmish on Nov 29, 2023 5:32:16 GMT -5
Does it count that Haim Saban made show after show after show with interchangeable characters and villains and stories. You got Power Rangers and VR Troopers and BeetleBorgs and Samurai SyberSquad. The dude got rich by stealing his own idea over and over. Superhuman Samurai Syber Squad wasn't Saban. That was made by DIC. The japanese source material came from a different company, too. All of those Saban shows adapted Toei properties (Super Sentai, Kamen Rider, Metal Hero), SSSS came from the Tsuburaya show Denkou Choujin Gridman. But yeah, it's crazy that he did it. I think he was anticipating a wave of imitators so he got in with those first, too. Surprising that strategy did work to some degree as VR Troopers did pretty well in syndication and reportedly at one point Beetleborgs was doing better in the ratings compared to Power Rangers on Fox. |
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Post by thatloser on Nov 29, 2023 5:49:30 GMT -5
Superhuman Samurai Syber Squad wasn't Saban. That was made by DIC. The japanese source material came from a different company, too. All of those Saban shows adapted Toei properties (Super Sentai, Kamen Rider, Metal Hero), SSSS came from the Tsuburaya show Denkou Choujin Gridman. But yeah, it's crazy that he did it. I think he was anticipating a wave of imitators so he got in with those first, too. Surprising that strategy did work to some degree as VR Troopers did pretty well in syndication and reportedly at one point Beetleborgs was doing better in the ratings compared to Power Rangers on Fox. Not sure why VR Troopers didn't continue but I have a feeling that using clips of three different shows to make one didn't help. And with Beetleborgs, the only other metal hero shows after that to adapt look like something you would see on a show for toddlers. But speaking of Saban they did do a Power Rangers knock off that used no Japanese footage. Mystic Knights of Tir Na Nog. |
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Post by ZERO on Nov 29, 2023 6:28:43 GMT -5
Surprising that strategy did work to some degree as VR Troopers did pretty well in syndication and reportedly at one point Beetleborgs was doing better in the ratings compared to Power Rangers on Fox. Not sure why VR Troopers didn't continue but I have a feeling that using clips of three different shows to make one didn't help. And with Beetleborgs, the only other metal hero shows after that to adapt look like something you would see on a show for toddlers. But speaking of Saban they did do a Power Rangers knock off that used no Japanese footage. Mystic Knights of Tir Na Nog. Mystic Knights was essentially Saban's attempt at a 100% original show in that style. It didn't get a second season because they basically chose to put more money into Power Rangers Lost Galaxy. In Space was meant to be the grand finale of Power Rangers, but did better than expected and saved the show from cancellation. As for VR Troopers... the stuff they'd likely have to pull from was all 80s shows. With Season 2 they were using Space Sheriff Shaider footage (for new monsters and Ryan Steele's new suit & powers), which by then was over a decade old (Shaider aired in 1984), and other shows that might fit were similarly old 80s Metal Heroes (Gavan finally turned up in Beast Morphers, when they adapted the Gavan crossover episodes of Go-Busters). Yeah, stuff like Kabutack wouldn't have worked, and making a 100% original show would be more costly, when I'm sure a huge part of the appeal and why it was profitable to make Power Rangers was it was cheap to make. Even if Masked Rider did well enough to continue, you'd be looking at the same issue as VR Troopers. Kamen Rider Black RX ended in 1989 and there'd be no new TV show until Kamen Rider Kuuga in 2000. And they already had most of the previous Kamen Riders up to that point show up in the finale (The "Masked Rider Warriors") so the only viable show would have been Kamen Rider Black, still a show from 1987. This tangent is at risk of derailing the thread, but I'd like to point to the Smashing Pumpkins basically bootlegging themselves on the way out by pressing up 25 vinyl copies of Machina 2 and telling people to copy it and make it available for download because Virgin said no to a sprawling concept album. It's an official release, but they went behind the label's back to release it, and essentially gave it away for free. |
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Post by tirtefaa on Nov 29, 2023 12:37:55 GMT -5
Hasbro owns Parker Brothers.
So while Hasbro will release Clue under the Hasbro name, they released a super cheap looking version called Mystery Game under the Parker Brothers name.
They did this with other games as well such as Sorry becoming "No Apologies" and Chutes & Ladders becoming "Climb and Slide".
It's too bad Hasbro doesn't reverse themselves and use the Parker Brothers name exclusively, since seeing anything with the Hasbro logo makes me immediately reconsider finding anything else to buy.
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