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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on Dec 11, 2023 19:49:27 GMT -5
We need a reverse cage match. I have the wonderful privilege of informing you that TNA in 08 did this with a Knockouts Queen of The Cage match which started as a reverse cage match where I think the first 2 girls that got in had a normal match after or something oh hell f***ing yeah
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Post by FinalGwen on Dec 11, 2023 20:01:22 GMT -5
My concern with ditching the escape rule is it ditches so many unique aspects that are specific to the match type, and while it's still possible to utilise the cage well, you get rid of a lot of spots and finishes that'd no longer make sense.
Like, even with cage matches that I don't think were particularly good, you've got finishes like Big Show hurling Austin at the cage and breaking him through for an inadvertant win, Jeff Hardy being too tempted by the Dudleys laying prone on a table to leave the cage and win for his team, etc. These things have stuck with me for 20 odd years whereas ask me about pinfall cage match victories from a few years ago and I'd be like "They did their finisher and won I guess?"
I think it works having both types of victory possible, as then you can play around with it more, use the dynamic of heels trying to escape and faces trying to win it properly, have a triple threat where someone's about to climb out but then a pinfall happens in the ring and all they can do is watch as their chances slip away because they can't get down fast enough, but also don't have enough time to get back in.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Dec 11, 2023 20:29:12 GMT -5
What if they became the cage All-timer heel meltdown when the face gets thrown into the cage too many times and ends up medically fused to it, resulting in a victory by way of Becoming the Cage.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 11, 2023 21:50:17 GMT -5
In general I'm on the side that having the escape rule is better than not having it, but actually use it for the story. Someone should only be going to escape if they're a coward heel, everything else has failed, or the opportunity presents itself, it shouldn't generally be the default, but without the escape rule at all then cage matches basically have no actual functional difference from regular matches, especially the way WWE does them where interference is like 90% more likely to happen in a cage than in a standard match.
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 11, 2023 22:02:56 GMT -5
I didn't see pinfalls in a cage match until WCW. It made a cage match feel less special to me. It's just a no DQ match with a cage around it without having the person escape.
The idea is supposed to be "two men enter, only one man leaves." You beat down your opponent to the point where you're done with them. It's a feud ender. Owen and Bret kinda ruined this by trying to escape over and over immediately.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 11, 2023 22:04:20 GMT -5
Honestly in general I kind of just think Bret / Owen is an awful grinding chore of a match. It just drags on and on and on and on and on and on and the ending just feels like a total anticlimax to me.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 12, 2023 2:03:31 GMT -5
I am okay with Bret trying to win the cage match by getting out rather than trying to destroy Owen, since it goes along with the idea of Owen being the one with the problem, that Bret was always trying to be the bigger man (often in patronizing fashion).
That said, I get that the same thing that made the cage match unique at the time is the kind of thing a lot of people have issues with now. That's something you run into when trying to push the envelope: you can figure out, "Oh, that's why they don't do that."
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