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Post by theresalwaysanegon on Apr 16, 2024 12:06:32 GMT -5
Tbf he still found time to get a elbow in the dick from Kojima Even before I washed my hands of Punk as a fan, Kojima was my hero for this spot as well as denying responsibility for it afterwards. Legendary behaviour How has Jack been in NJPW? I still find his asshole attitude difficult to believe despite him seemingly actually being kind of an asshole His last two NJPW matches have been his best so far. The first round match in the New Japan Cup against Umino was also pretty good and set up the Windy City Riot match nicely. Nothing super memorable, but nothing that's been outright bad.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Apr 16, 2024 12:20:13 GMT -5
So the new Scapegoat t-shirt designs are pretty sick: scapegoatshop.com/The "cry me a river" design was made by an independent artist who Perry bought the design from and credited on his Instagram. Take notes, Zelina and Malakai. Love to see it EDIT; Reddit post from the creator in question www.reddit.com/r/AEWOfficial/s/Ca3B1llZ2a
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Post by Facetious on Apr 16, 2024 12:42:57 GMT -5
So the new Scapegoat t-shirt designs are pretty sick: scapegoatshop.com/The "cry me a river" design was made by an independent artist who Perry bought the design from and credited on his Instagram. Take notes, Zelina and Malakai. The goat with cry me a river on it is so good. Probably one of the better wrestling tees I've seen in a minute
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 17, 2024 10:57:22 GMT -5
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Post by Dub H on Apr 17, 2024 12:46:17 GMT -5
So the new Scapegoat t-shirt designs are pretty sick: scapegoatshop.com/The "cry me a river" design was made by an independent artist who Perry bought the design from and credited on his Instagram. Take notes, Zelina and Malakai. I honestly not a big fan of the cry me a river generic metal font. But I ulusally dislike anything with metal fonts The one in Japanese looks so cool tho
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Post by XIII on Apr 17, 2024 13:06:17 GMT -5
I’m not even a Punk fan and I find Jack Perry cringe AF.. At the end of the day he’s more or less just putting Punk over by leeching off of a dude that a) isn’t in the company anymore and b) will never have a match with him anyways. I have no idea what the Bucks, Khaaaaaaaan, and AEW see in Perry but dude just doesn’t have it from everything that I’ve seen so far. Maybe he’ll prove me wrong, but I doubt it. 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by jb80 on Apr 17, 2024 13:37:30 GMT -5
I don't really understand this scapegoat stuff. Is Tony Khan supposed to be the heel here?
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Post by daaave on Apr 17, 2024 13:44:32 GMT -5
The face/heel alignments of this whole thing is a mess. I've decided to just not care about them and just enjoy the nonsense ride this is going to be
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Post by HIM on Apr 17, 2024 13:57:18 GMT -5
I’m not even a Punk fan and I find Jack Perry cringe AF.. At the end of the day he’s more or less just putting Punk over by leeching off of a dude that a) isn’t in the company anymore and b) will never have a match with him anyways. I have no idea what the Bucks, Khaaaaaaaan, and AEW see in Perry but dude just doesn’t have it from everything that I’ve seen so far. Maybe he’ll prove me wrong, but I doubt it. 🤷🏻♂️ I'm pretty much in the same line of agreement except I liked Jack when he was Jungle Boy and I liked when he was a heel prior to the Punk stuff. Since the Punk thing kicked off I haven't liked him. I mean granted, I don't like TK either but still. I wanna see what he can do away from this because it's like, idk. It's weird.
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Post by dbsot on Apr 17, 2024 14:00:54 GMT -5
I’m not even a Punk fan and I find Jack Perry cringe AF.. At the end of the day he’s more or less just putting Punk over by leeching off of a dude that a) isn’t in the company anymore and b) will never have a match with him anyways. I have no idea what the Bucks, Khaaaaaaaan, and AEW see in Perry but dude just doesn’t have it from everything that I’ve seen so far. Maybe he’ll prove me wrong, but I doubt it. 🤷🏻♂️ I have seen this opinion given elsewhere and it is a bizarre take. Perry was as much part of the fight/scuffle as Punk. It isn't leeching to use part of your own history to craft a gimmick. If anything, a guy like McIntyre is leeching off Punk and Perry, even if his trolling is entertaining. The whole All In argument started because Perry made an onscreen comment about crying a river. Now he is using that line in his gimmick and merch. Punk is the bigger star, so I get why some people are naturally attributing things to him, but the story doesn't start/end with him. Perry has just as much of claim to use Brawl In as a character motivation as Punk does.
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Post by XIII on Apr 17, 2024 14:06:04 GMT -5
I’m not even a Punk fan and I find Jack Perry cringe AF.. At the end of the day he’s more or less just putting Punk over by leeching off of a dude that a) isn’t in the company anymore and b) will never have a match with him anyways. I have no idea what the Bucks, Khaaaaaaaan, and AEW see in Perry but dude just doesn’t have it from everything that I’ve seen so far. Maybe he’ll prove me wrong, but I doubt it. 🤷🏻♂️ I have seen this opinion given elsewhere and it is a bizarre take. Perry was as much part of the fight/scuffle as Punk. It isn't leeching to use part of your own history to craft a gimmick. If anything, a guy like McIntyre is leeching off Punk and Perry, even if his trolling is entertaining. The whole All In argument started because Perry made an onscreen comment about crying a river. Now he is using that line in his gimmick and merch. Punk is the bigger star, so I get why some people are naturally attributing things to him, but the story doesn't start/end with him. Perry has just as much of claim to use Brawl In as a character motivation as Punk does. Did you see him come out and spit on the Chicago flag during his entrance the other day. lol. What does that accomplish other than look at me CM Punk fans! Talk about me! When there’s no hope for a payoff. Scapegoat is a stupid nickname too. lol
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Post by ghost on Apr 17, 2024 14:06:25 GMT -5
I’m not even a Punk fan and I find Jack Perry cringe AF.. At the end of the day he’s more or less just putting Punk over by leeching off of a dude that a) isn’t in the company anymore and b) will never have a match with him anyways. I have no idea what the Bucks, Khaaaaaaaan, and AEW see in Perry but dude just doesn’t have it from everything that I’ve seen so far. Maybe he’ll prove me wrong, but I doubt it. 🤷🏻♂️ Agreed. I never "got" Jungle Boy (and Luchasaurus for that matter), and I really don't see star potential in Perry in a solo role. If they think this thing with Punk is going to give him the edge needed to take him to the next level, then we will have to see. I just don't see it. Like when I look at Swerve I see a star. When I look at Starks I see a star. Not sure Perry is on that level, but looks like Khan is going to try. My guess is it will end up closer to Sammy Guevara, who Khan desperately wants to make a big deal but it never works.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 17, 2024 14:16:23 GMT -5
I have seen this opinion given elsewhere and it is a bizarre take. Perry was as much part of the fight/scuffle as Punk. It isn't leeching to use part of your own history to craft a gimmick. If anything, a guy like McIntyre is leeching off Punk and Perry, even if his trolling is entertaining. The whole All In argument started because Perry made an onscreen comment about crying a river. Now he is using that line in his gimmick and merch. Punk is the bigger star, so I get why some people are naturally attributing things to him, but the story doesn't start/end with him. Perry has just as much of claim to use Brawl In as a character motivation as Punk does. Did you see him come out and spit on the Chicago flag during his entrance the other day. lol. What does that accomplish other than look at me CM Punk fans! Talk about me! When there’s no hope for a payoff. Scapegoat is a stupid nickname too. lol The show was literally in Chicago. He was heeling on the crowd.
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Post by XIII on Apr 17, 2024 14:20:33 GMT -5
Did you see him come out and spit on the Chicago flag during his entrance the other day. lol. What does that accomplish other than look at me CM Punk fans! Talk about me! When there’s no hope for a payoff. Scapegoat is a stupid nickname too. lol The show was literally in Chicago. He was heeling on the crowd. That’s a cop out though because he wouldn’t have done that nonsense if he didn’t get into a fight with Punk backstage. Would he have done it in LA or Houston or wherever else to heel on the crowd? We all know why he did it. Anyways I thought it was stupid and I’ve given way more thought to Jack Perry than I ever thought I would in the last few replies. Carry on lads.
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Post by dbsot on Apr 17, 2024 14:21:55 GMT -5
I have seen this opinion given elsewhere and it is a bizarre take. Perry was as much part of the fight/scuffle as Punk. It isn't leeching to use part of your own history to craft a gimmick. If anything, a guy like McIntyre is leeching off Punk and Perry, even if his trolling is entertaining. The whole All In argument started because Perry made an onscreen comment about crying a river. Now he is using that line in his gimmick and merch. Punk is the bigger star, so I get why some people are naturally attributing things to him, but the story doesn't start/end with him. Perry has just as much of claim to use Brawl In as a character motivation as Punk does. Did you see him come out and spit on the Chicago flag during his entrance the other day. lol. What does that accomplish other than look at me CM Punk fans! Talk about me! When there’s no hope for a payoff. Scapegoat is a stupid nickname too. lol I am not saying that his gimmick is excluding Punk. My point is that there were two men involved in Brawl In. If WWE can craft a story about Drew trolling Punk over stuff in AEW, then Perry has just as much right to use history with Punk in his gimmick. It isn't leeching to acknowledge one's own history. I don't know if this will work to get Perry over or fall flat, but there is nothing wrong with trying. It has already led to heavy merch sales for Perry.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 17, 2024 14:32:55 GMT -5
The show was literally in Chicago. He was heeling on the crowd. That’s a cop out though because he wouldn’t have done that nonsense if he didn’t get into a fight with Punk backstage. Would he have done it in LA or Houston or wherever else to heel on the crowd? We all know why he did it. Anyways I thought it was stupid and I’ve given way more thought to Jack Perry than I ever thought I would in the last few replies. Carry on lads. Yes, that plays into it. And he was playing it up to the crowd because he expected them to give him hell as being a pro-Punk hometown crowd. I think the only thing where it didn't work out is that a lot of people in the crowd also gave him face pops because they're as done with Punk as anyone else who sees through his BS. Ultimately Punk's going to play into things in the short term because that's what crowds associate Perry with for now. Pretending it didn't happen wouldn't do him any favors either because crowds likely won't let him forget about it until he addressed it.
You can call it a copout, but I'd say you're being intentionally obtuse about this. Especially this is far from the first time a company's used a departed wrestler for heel heat. WWF milked the hell out of the Screwjob and it helped lead to one of the hottest periods in the company's history. Don't think there were many people wringing their hands about Bret Hart never being able to come back and feud with DX or McMahon via the Corporation back then.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 17, 2024 14:40:48 GMT -5
Did you see him come out and spit on the Chicago flag during his entrance the other day. lol. What does that accomplish other than look at me CM Punk fans! Talk about me! When there’s no hope for a payoff. Scapegoat is a stupid nickname too. lol I am not saying that his gimmick is excluding Punk. My point is that there were two men involved in Brawl In. If WWE can craft a story about Drew trolling Punk over stuff in AEW, then Perry has just as much right to use history with Punk in his gimmick. It isn't leeching to acknowledge one's own history. I don't know if this will work to get Perry over or fall flat, but there is nothing wrong with trying. It has already led to heavy merch sales for Perry. I’m all for Perry becoming more interesting and relevant any way he can, but there is a difference between the two scenarios. With Drew, his referencing of backstage happenings from AEW to generate heat can lead to a Drew-Punk feud (unless Drew peaces out beforehand), whereas Perry’s use of it can’t lead to a real payoff. The situation here is more akin to DX mocking a little person Bret Hart impersonator after Montreal (even though there it did end up leading to an Owen-HBK feud).
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 17, 2024 14:59:22 GMT -5
I am not saying that his gimmick is excluding Punk. My point is that there were two men involved in Brawl In. If WWE can craft a story about Drew trolling Punk over stuff in AEW, then Perry has just as much right to use history with Punk in his gimmick. It isn't leeching to acknowledge one's own history. I don't know if this will work to get Perry over or fall flat, but there is nothing wrong with trying. It has already led to heavy merch sales for Perry. I’m all for Perry becoming more interesting and relevant any way he can, but there is a difference between the two scenarios. With Drew, his referencing of backstage happenings from AEW to generate heat can lead to a Drew-Punk feud (unless Drew peaces out beforehand), whereas Perry’s use of it can’t lead to a real payoff. The situation here is more akin to DX mocking a little person Bret Hart impersonator after Montreal (even though there it did end up leading to an Owen-HBK feud). Perry's use of it has already lead to a payoff, he's more over then he's ever been He doesn't have to wrestle CM Punk. He's already succeeded in making himself more interesting and must-see as already evidenced by how over he was IN CHICAGO in front of a large crowd.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 17, 2024 15:08:25 GMT -5
I’m all for Perry becoming more interesting and relevant any way he can, but there is a difference between the two scenarios. With Drew, his referencing of backstage happenings from AEW to generate heat can lead to a Drew-Punk feud (unless Drew peaces out beforehand), whereas Perry’s use of it can’t lead to a real payoff. The situation here is more akin to DX mocking a little person Bret Hart impersonator after Montreal (even though there it did end up leading to an Owen-HBK feud). Perry's use of it has already lead to a payoff, he's more over then he's ever been He doesn't have to wrestle CM Punk. He's already succeeded in making himself more interesting and must-see as already evidenced by how over he was IN CHICAGO in front of a large crowd. Yeah was gonna say this, while it's still TBD if it translates to AEW, the Scapegoat character has gotten insanely over in New Japan
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Post by Kalmia on Apr 17, 2024 15:10:07 GMT -5
Yeah, the payoff to this isn't a Perry vs Punk match, it's getting Perry and his new gimmick over. It's character motivation. His time as a heel before all of this happened wasn't exactly winning rave reviews and he has more buzz around him now. When AEW finally bring him back, he's going to be in a better position than he was before his suspension.
Whether he runs with that momentum and keeps it is a different question.
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