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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Feb 5, 2024 14:02:06 GMT -5
Since Wrestlemania 28 only 2 Wrestlemania Sunday main events have not featured a part timer, and of those two both matches featured a participant who left the company shortly thereafter. The reason I specifically say Wrestlemania Sunday, is that I think we'll all agree that's generally the REAL main event.
28: The Rock Def. John Cena
29: John Cena Def. The Rock
30: Daniel Bryan Def. Randy Orton and Batista (left about 2 months later)
31: Seth Rollins Def. Roman Reigns and Brock Lesnar
32: Roman Reigns Def. Triple H
33: Roman Reigns Def. Undertaker
34: Brock Lesnar Def. Roman Reigns
35: Becky Lynch Def. Charlotte Flair and Ronda Rousey (Left immediately after)
36: Drew McIntyre Def. Brock Lesnar
37: Roman Reigns Def. Edge and Daniel Bryan
38: Roman Reigns (went part time following this match) Def. Brock Lesnar
39: Roman Reigns Def. Cody Rhodes
Imagine how much of a slap in the face it is to be a full timer in company busting your ass year-round and constantly be told that people who only show up a few times a year or people that aren't going to be there tomorrow, are more important than you are, and that your contributions to the company aren't important enough to be part of the most important match of the year.
And come this year it'll be another main event featuring TWO part timers.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 5, 2024 14:04:18 GMT -5
It really is amazing how in switching to two nights they somehow STILL consistently run into the problem of, "The first half of WrestleMania is great and gets your hopes up and then the second half is a miserable slog seemingly intentionally designed to piss you off."
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Post by GOTHIC CHARISMA 🧊 🥶❄️FURY on Feb 5, 2024 14:05:24 GMT -5
Actually impressive how many of those matches I dislike heavily. It isn't even that they are full of part timers or Reigns, so many of them are boring as f***.
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Post by clc on Feb 5, 2024 14:14:19 GMT -5
Imagine how much of a slap in the face it is to be a full timer in company busting your ass year-round and constantly be told that people who only show up a few times a year or people that aren't going to be there tomorrow, are more important than you are, and that your contributions to the company aren't important enough to be part of the most important match of the year. And come this year it'll be another main event featuring TWO part timers. Yup. Like last year when Sami Zayn was the full-timer that busted his butt all year and became the most over guy. Cody was out for most of the year but was given spot 30 in the Rumble and then Wrestlemania Sunday main event. |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 5, 2024 14:19:53 GMT -5
Imagine how much of a slap in the face it is to be a full timer in company busting your ass year-round and constantly be told that people who only show up a few times a year or people that aren't going to be there tomorrow, are more important than you are, and that your contributions to the company aren't important enough to be part of the most important match of the year. And come this year it'll be another main event featuring TWO part timers. Yup. Like last year when Sami Zayn was the full-timer that busted his butt all year and became the most over guy. Cody was out for most of the year but was given spot 30 in the Rumble and then Wrestlemania Sunday main event. Cody went through an entire match with a serious injury just to make sure the advertised main event for a C-level PPV no one especially cared about remained as it was, spent 15 minutes in the Rumble going all-out against Gunther rather than just showing up for 30 seconds to win, and worked 20 matches in between the Rumble and Mania. Any time people act like he just showed up and got the title shot is being completely disingenuous. |
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Feb 5, 2024 14:21:21 GMT -5
Imagine how much of a slap in the face it is to be a full timer in company busting your ass year-round and constantly be told that people who only show up a few times a year or people that aren't going to be there tomorrow, are more important than you are, and that your contributions to the company aren't important enough to be part of the most important match of the year. And come this year it'll be another main event featuring TWO part timers. Yup. Like last year when Sami Zayn was the full-timer that busted his butt all year and became the most over guy. Cody was out for most of the year but was given spot 30 in the Rumble and then Wrestlemania Sunday main event. In absolute fairness, it's not exactly the same thing between a guy who was hurt most of the year, and somebody who just couldn't be bothered to show up most of the year. But Sami got it again this year with having his angles constantly dropped in order to keep him far out of the title picture, even though logically he shouldn't be that far out of the picture right now. His feud with Judgement Day was dropped, in favor of a feud with Drew. |
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Post by clc on Feb 5, 2024 14:31:02 GMT -5
Yup. Like last year when Sami Zayn was the full-timer that busted his butt all year and became the most over guy. Cody was out for most of the year but was given spot 30 in the Rumble and then Wrestlemania Sunday main event. Cody went through an entire match with a serious injury just to make sure the advertised main event for a C-level PPV no one especially cared about remained as it was, spent 15 minutes in the Rumble going all-out against Gunther rather than just showing up for 30 seconds to win, and worked 20 matches in between the Rumble and Mania. Any time people act like he just showed up and got the title shot is being completely disingenuous. Someone who was there and worked his butt off still had to get passed over for someone who put in less.
Sucks that Cody was injured, but in his absence someone rose to grab that brass ring, and they had to just give it back to Cody because Cody was deemed better for business.
This year, Cody's in that Sami spot.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Feb 5, 2024 14:32:27 GMT -5
The real ones know that 36 should be Drew/Big Show.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Feb 5, 2024 14:33:39 GMT -5
Kind of sad that the only one that ended the show on a high note where mostly everyone was happy was Bryan winning at WM 30. Even Becky and Drew while they were faces who most wanted to win were brought down by a botched finish and a burnt out crowd spent by having already sat through a five hour show and not having any fans due to COVID respectively. Everything else is them shoving unover face Reigns down our throats, heel Reigns going over, a heel Brock win, a heel Rolins win, and Rock and Cena trading wins in consecutive years in face matches where the fan base was divided.
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Post by Nosnorb on Feb 5, 2024 17:47:31 GMT -5
Cody went through an entire match with a serious injury just to make sure the advertised main event for a C-level PPV no one especially cared about remained as it was, spent 15 minutes in the Rumble going all-out against Gunther rather than just showing up for 30 seconds to win, and worked 20 matches in between the Rumble and Mania. Any time people act like he just showed up and got the title shot is being completely disingenuous. Someone who was there and worked his butt off still had to get passed over for someone who put in less.
Sucks that Cody was injured, but in his absence someone rose to grab that brass ring, and they had to just give it back to Cody because Cody was deemed better for business.
This year, Cody's in that Sami spot.
Sami still had the story reuniting with Owens and winning the tag titles off The Usos in the Night 1 closer, this year Cody has the story which is that he gave up his hard won spot taking on Reigns to face Seth for a belt that Reigns buried. Dude isn't in the same spot as Sami, he's in a worse one. And when Cody was there when he wasn't rehabbing his blown out and then surgically repaired muscle tit, he put in just as much work as Sami did. |
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Post by stoptheclocks on Feb 5, 2024 17:54:25 GMT -5
Kind of sad that the only one that ended the show on a high note where mostly everyone was happy was Bryan winning at WM 30. Even Becky and Drew while they were faces who most wanted to win were brought down by a botched finish and a burnt out crowd spent by having already sat through a five hour show and not having any fans due to COVID respectively. Everything else is them shoving unover face Reigns down our throats, heel Reigns going over, a heel Brock win, a heel Rolins win, and Rock and Cena trading wins in consecutive years in face matches where the fan base was divided. I take your point but in no way was Rollins cashing in not a case of the ending the show on a high point. |
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Post by Soultastic on Feb 5, 2024 18:00:12 GMT -5
I'm just taking a moment to appreciate that after years of shitty takes from old wrestlers and bad faith fans about vanilla midgets, Bryan main evented 2 f***ing Manias. f*** yeah.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Feb 5, 2024 18:01:41 GMT -5
Kind of sad that the only one that ended the show on a high note where mostly everyone was happy was Bryan winning at WM 30. Even Becky and Drew while they were faces who most wanted to win were brought down by a botched finish and a burnt out crowd spent by having already sat through a five hour show and not having any fans due to COVID respectively. Everything else is them shoving unover face Reigns down our throats, heel Reigns going over, a heel Brock win, a heel Rolins win, and Rock and Cena trading wins in consecutive years in face matches where the fan base was divided. I take your point but in no way was Rollins cashing in not a case of the ending the show on a high point. I meant more as in a babyface feel good win. Rollins was a heel and it got a big reaction but more because of the cash in pop and people just being happy Reigns didn't win. |
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Feb 5, 2024 18:02:31 GMT -5
Cody went through an entire match with a serious injury just to make sure the advertised main event for a C-level PPV no one especially cared about remained as it was, spent 15 minutes in the Rumble going all-out against Gunther rather than just showing up for 30 seconds to win, and worked 20 matches in between the Rumble and Mania. Any time people act like he just showed up and got the title shot is being completely disingenuous. Someone who was there and worked his butt off still had to get passed over for someone who put in less.
Sucks that Cody was injured, but in his absence someone rose to grab that brass ring, and they had to just give it back to Cody because Cody was deemed better for business.
This year, Cody's in that Sami spot.
Being injured is not the same as sitting at home for 6 months because you don't want to work. The top star returns from injury to main Wrestlemania has happened on several occasions. Austin in 2001, Triple H in 2002, Cena in 2008, Edge in 2010. Not one of those times did anyone suggest they were stealing a spot, a part timer or that they hadn't put the work in. It's not even remotely the same thing. As for Sami, he got his title match, in his home town and got the Wrestlemania main event with his best friend which made sense to the story. He didn't win the Rumble and then go "oh shucks, well Cody, you should have this match instead". |
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Post by Chiral on Feb 5, 2024 19:12:05 GMT -5
So many downer endings to Mania over the last few years in addition to the part timers whittled away a lot that special Wrestlemania magic for me. At some point (maybe the reactions to the streak ending?) WWE decided they didn't want to be a faces win territory anymore, and really just wanted to be a territory that gets this kind of reaction:  |
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Post by J. Hova on Feb 5, 2024 22:59:32 GMT -5
I'm always happy with Wrestlemania, just because they moved to two nights and I don't have to shave halfway through the show or celebrate two birthdays.
I think the WWE is trying to go for the shock factor too much now since the bugged out eyed guy from WM30. For as long as I can remember, it used to be you could bet on three things: the sun rising in the east, the Cubs pissing me off, and a face winning in the main event of WM. I would have wagered a TON of money on Cody winning last year, but alas here we are.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Feb 6, 2024 12:17:17 GMT -5
Wild to think that in the time it took Rock to come out of retirement, get injured, go back into retirement, and come back eleven years later, two of his peers retired (Undertaker and Triple H), someone from a generation under him retired at younger than he's coming back (Batista), and his over decade younger cousin moved into part time. Mind you, he's only back because a different part timer (CM Punk) got injured at the Royal Rumble. Really dire when you look at the numbers.
Speaking of numbers, Rock is older now than all the guys who were accused of holding down the younger generation towards the end of WCW. Just think about that for one moment.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Feb 6, 2024 12:30:07 GMT -5
Speaking of numbers, Rock is older now than all the guys who were accused of holding down the younger generation towards the end of WCW. Just think about that for one moment. When the Billionaire Ted skits aired, Hogan & Savage were around the age of Randy Orton and Bryan Danielson now. It’s amazing how the idea of a wrestler being washed up when they hit their 40’s has changed. |
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Feb 6, 2024 12:47:27 GMT -5
I'm always happy with Wrestlemania, just because they moved to two nights and I don't have to shave halfway through the show or celebrate two birthdays. I think the WWE is trying to go for the shock factor too much now since the bugged out eyed guy from WM30. For as long as I can remember, it used to be you could bet on three things: the sun rising in the east, the Cubs pissing me off, and a face winning in the main event of WM. I would have wagered a TON of money on Cody winning last year, but alas here we are. It's utterly bizarre in how they'd booked the fall of Bloodline so perfectly from CatC onwards and then forgot to give it its natural ending. We've all joked about stat-padding when it comes to Reigns, but his last year with the title since beating Cody has accomplished nothing beyond inflating the length of his reign. The only consequential story told in the 365 days with Reigns is the Jey feud and that needed the belt as much as my aunt needs a unicycle |
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 6, 2024 12:53:42 GMT -5
I said it in the Cody thread, but when you refuse to give spots like the Mania main event to full time stars, you won't build anyone up to ever be on the level as the people who they're being pushed aside for. There's no inherent quality to Brock Lesnar or Dwayne Johnson that make them inherently better for main eventing Wrestlemania, they just come from eras where top stars were actually being made in a competent way. The effect it's had is pretty apparent, business is supposed to be up and booming and we still have The ROck coming in to 'save it' and be a real star. It's miserable. This company's made its bed and people were calling a decade ago that this would happen.
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