WWF ST VALENTINES DAY MASSACRE - 25 YEARS AGO TONIGHT

[chazraps]

Fired this one up for the first time in 15 years when I did a 10th anniversary watch and it's a mixed bag.

Where were you when this first aired? Did you watch it live? Did you find results on AOL Keyword WWF or the Superstar Line?

I'm at the Rock vs Mankind montage, and it's wild that before the year ends they'll be tag partners and co-stars of the highest rated Raw segment. Foley was so, *so* over, he should have gotten his Mania main event this year in some way.

Rest of the show - Al Snow vs Hardcore Holly was what I had the most vivid memories from and that holds up for the most part. Goldust vs Blue Meanie was more fun than I remember and that crowd was SO hot!

This was also super early on in Ivory's WWF career, so seeing her with Mark Henry and D'Lo was cool, and I really appreciate how great of a team Owen and Jarrett were. Also early in their career here is Michael Cole, who shows a lot of promise for the most part but has a handful of moments screaming where Jim Ross' fingerprints are a little too visible (he yells "IT'S A CRIME" at the end of the Triple H & X-Pac vs Chyna and Kane tag match and it just doesn't sound like himself).

Speaking of which, I'd forgotten how wildly convoluted the DX saga had gotten by that point. Even with the montage, it's a struggle to follow where everyone is and was.

I remember, even knowing on the internet that The Giant was WWE-bound, seeing Paul Wight on WWE TV after his entire career being a WCW product by that point was still surreal. I recall when the shock wore off they made him look like kind of a goober out of the gate, we'll see how it holds up.

What are your memories of this show? Would you agree, as a whole, it's better than both the Rumble that precedes it and the Mania that follows it?

[fw91]

One of my favorite non-big 4 shows. But it's kind of funny to re-watch the main event due to how non-sensical it is in kayfabe. Austin could have walked out the cage and win the match within seconds, then go back to punnish Vince more. And why did The Big Show wait so long to come through the ring? Vince was getting his ass kicked and needed help much earlier.

[BorneAgain]

Still one of the greatest PPV intros of any period, especially the Attitude Era.

St. Valentine's Day Massacre Theme (1999)

[4real]

The main 3 matches are pretty good. Al Snow v Bob Holly is pretty fun as well. The rest is a bit meh. The opening hype package is one of the best WWE ever did. Crazy you’re driving me crazzzzzzzzzzy.

Boss Man v Mideon is an absolute snoozer btw. Up there for most boring PPV match of all time.

[Mozenrath]

Feb 14, 2024 19:16:28 GMT -5 chazraps said:

Fired this one up for the first time in 15 years when I did a 10th anniversary watch and it's a mixed bag.

Where were you when this first aired? Did you watch it live? Did you find results on AOL Keyword WWF or the Superstar Line?

I'm at the Rock vs Mankind montage, and it's wild that before the year ends they'll be tag partners and co-stars of the highest rated Raw segment. Foley was so, *so* over, he should have gotten his Mania main event this year in some way.

Rest of the show - Al Snow vs Hardcore Holly was what I had the most vivid memories from and that holds up for the most part. Goldust vs Blue Meanie was more fun than I remember and that crowd was SO hot!

This was also super early on in Ivory's WWF career, so seeing her with Mark Henry and D'Lo was cool, and I really appreciate how great of a team Owen and Jarrett were. Also early in their career here is Michael Cole, who shows a lot of promise for the most part but has a handful of moments screaming where Jim Ross' fingerprints are a little too visible (he yells "IT'S A CRIME" at the end of the Triple H & X-Pac vs Chyna and Kane tag match and it just doesn't sound like himself).

Speaking of which, I'd forgotten how wildly convoluted the DX saga had gotten by that point. Even with the montage, it's a struggle to follow where everyone is and was.

I remember, even knowing on the internet that The Giant was WWE-bound, seeing Paul Wight on WWE TV after his entire career being a WCW product by that point was still surreal. I recall when the shock wore off they made him look like kind of a goober out of the gate, we'll see how it holds up.

What are your memories of this show? Would you agree, as a whole, it's better than both the Rumble that precedes it and the Mania that follows it?

I think this may have been the year where it almost would have been Mankind vs Rock vs Austin, that HBK adamantly fought against the idea, that he felt it was this sacred thing that the 'Mania main event be a 1 on 1*, though he wanted Mick to still be in the main event. I am unsure if he was suggesting Rock or Austin be dropped from it, but he was obviously not going to get his wish. I do wonder who he was attempting to undermine here. Probably Rock, though he may have been salty about losing the title to Austin.

*The first ever Wrestlemania's main event wasn't even a one on one, so it's a silly argument to me.

[OGBoardPoster2005]

Feb 15, 2024 4:10:27 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

Feb 14, 2024 19:16:28 GMT -5 chazraps said:

Fired this one up for the first time in 15 years when I did a 10th anniversary watch and it's a mixed bag.

Where were you when this first aired? Did you watch it live? Did you find results on AOL Keyword WWF or the Superstar Line?

I'm at the Rock vs Mankind montage, and it's wild that before the year ends they'll be tag partners and co-stars of the highest rated Raw segment. Foley was so, *so* over, he should have gotten his Mania main event this year in some way.

Rest of the show - Al Snow vs Hardcore Holly was what I had the most vivid memories from and that holds up for the most part. Goldust vs Blue Meanie was more fun than I remember and that crowd was SO hot!

This was also super early on in Ivory's WWF career, so seeing her with Mark Henry and D'Lo was cool, and I really appreciate how great of a team Owen and Jarrett were. Also early in their career here is Michael Cole, who shows a lot of promise for the most part but has a handful of moments screaming where Jim Ross' fingerprints are a little too visible (he yells "IT'S A CRIME" at the end of the Triple H & X-Pac vs Chyna and Kane tag match and it just doesn't sound like himself).

Speaking of which, I'd forgotten how wildly convoluted the DX saga had gotten by that point. Even with the montage, it's a struggle to follow where everyone is and was.

I remember, even knowing on the internet that The Giant was WWE-bound, seeing Paul Wight on WWE TV after his entire career being a WCW product by that point was still surreal. I recall when the shock wore off they made him look like kind of a goober out of the gate, we'll see how it holds up.

What are your memories of this show? Would you agree, as a whole, it's better than both the Rumble that precedes it and the Mania that follows it?

I think this may have been the year where it almost would have been Mankind vs Rock vs Austin, that HBK adamantly fought against the idea, that he felt it was this sacred thing that the 'Mania main event be a 1 on 1*, though he wanted Mick to still be in the main event. I am unsure if he was suggesting Rock or Austin be dropped from it, but he was obviously not going to get his wish. I do wonder who he was attempting to undermine here. Probably Rock, though he may have been salty about losing the title to Austin.

*The first ever Wrestlemania's main event wasn't even a one on one, so it's a silly argument to me.

And then the next year was a Four Corners Match involving Rock, Mick, Show and Trips in a forgotten match.

[mcstoklasa]

I always loved the Rock Mankind feud combined with the Austin Vince feud in one show

[thegame415]

Just a fun show that was everything right about this era. No worries about workrate or star ratings. Just a hot crowd with good stories.

[Perd]

I was there. Still the only PPV I’ve ever attended. My friend had his license and was able to take a group of us. This was pre 9/11, so security was much more lax, and a couple of my friends sneaked in Zimas, by pouring them in water bottles. And that was the late 90's, kids.

[UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm]

I've actually been meaning to rewatch this one, I'll do that in a few days and report back!

[David-Arquette was in WCW 2000]

Never watched this show top to bottom, only the Hardcore Title match and the cage match. I always hear good things about it though.

[4real]

Feb 24, 2024 9:07:29 GMT -5 David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 said:

Never watched this show top to bottom, only the Hardcore Title match and the cage match. I always hear good things about it though.

Definitely check out Rock v Mankind last man standing. It might be my favourite match of there’s together.

[chazraps]

Feb 24, 2024 3:50:05 GMT -5 UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm said:

I've actually been meaning to rewatch this one, I'll do that in a few days and report back!

Make sure not to skip the opening montage. It's awesome.

[Renslayer]

the bump mcmahon took off the cage is one of the gnarliest damn things i've ever seen. good lord

[UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm]

Feb 25, 2024 19:00:41 GMT -5 chazraps said:

Feb 24, 2024 3:50:05 GMT -5 UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm said:

I've actually been meaning to rewatch this one, I'll do that in a few days and report back!

Make sure not to skip the opening montage. It's awesome.

Crazy timing, I'm actually watching it right now. That was amazing

[Lizuka #BLM]

Feb 15, 2024 3:40:46 GMT -5 4real said:

Boss Man v Mideon is an absolute snoozer btw. Up there for most boring PPV match of all time.

I refuse to believe anything can ever top Nikita Koloff vs. Bobby Eaton where it's just a hammerlock for 20 minutes that ends in a time limit draw.

[UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm]

yeah I just finished that mideon match and all I'll remember from it is that stupid eyeball.

Bluedust vs Goldust was... something and Bob Holly/Al Snow was way better than I remembered. I remembered them going into the river but they deadass gave Bob Holly a standing ovation when he walked back into the ring lmao. Crowd loved that shit.

Will post after each match the rest of the way through why not

[UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm]

mark henry's sexual chocolate theme has to be top 5 ever and have always loved d'lo so i'm excited for this one plus of course Owen/Jarrett. funny how much more I appreciate Jarrett over the years. Ivory and Debra eyeing each other down... Jarrett and D'Lo both did a lot of stuff back then that is sometimes missing nowadays, every move they did felt like their thing but not with the move itself being implemented. The before and after, the headshakes, mannerisms. Great stuff. Owen's Enzuigiri is ridiculously beautiful as always


hitting mark henry with the guitar in the leg and Ivory just immediately says nah screw you Debra lets go lmao. that was really fun

[UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm]

val venis /ken shamrock gotta be the most attitude era thing ever but the contrast between val and ken is so funny. val being skeezy and then it keeps cutting to a blood red screen of shamrock going AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

val/billy gunn/shamrock's sister are in the ring just sluttin about and shamrock is walking down to the ring about to rip someone's head off lmao

[UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm]

that venis/shamrock match felt like it was two hours but forgetting this is where shamrock says "slap me" clear as day on camera made it worth it