Rican
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Post by Rican on Mar 1, 2024 12:11:54 GMT -5
Man, the NXT signing sprees of the late 2010’s, subsequent WWE roster bloat and later firings really messed with the wrestling ecosystem. There’s a pretty long track record now of dudes who left the WWE and we all thought were held back and would do way better only to find out they’re actually kind of a pain in the ass to deal with. And I don’t know where they think they’ll do better! I don’t see a spot for Miro, Buddy or Malaki in current WWE between what they’ve got and impending NXT call ups. hell I don’t know what Andrade is gonna do back that he thinks is better than where he was to start with or what AEW had him doing.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Mar 1, 2024 12:18:22 GMT -5
I just don’t get the point of having a million bodies under contract and then letting dudes talk crazy online like you don’t got hungrier and younger dudes ready to go during a time where effectively no one outside of the dude about to retire is a draw.
Fire these goofs, haha
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 1, 2024 13:09:38 GMT -5
Bryan Alvarez is yet again saying there are certain people causing problems by refusing to go along with what Tony wants to do
In the future, can we not link to that toxic as hell troll Twitter account? That account is one of the worst on all of Wreslting Twitter. It’s just a link to Alvarez’s audio, though.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Mar 1, 2024 13:16:01 GMT -5
Bryan Alvarez is yet again saying there are certain people causing problems by refusing to go along with what Tony wants to do
Right on cue... I completely understand Tony not wanting to set a precedent for agreeing to release disgruntled employees, because it would arguably incentivize people to cause trouble to try and force a release, but AEW is objectively in a bit of a down period right now in terms of perception, and stuff like this really exacerbates it. I think it would be a net benefit to AEW to just trim the fat, so to speak, and cut bait with all of the malcontents. If Miro, Malakai Black, Buddy Matthews, etc... want to go, let them go. AEW has a deep well of unused/underused talent to draw from. Me clearing the cobwebs off the “Tony Khan is a Bitch” thread I just don’t get the point of having a million bodies under contract and then letting dudes talk crazy online like you don’t got hungrier and younger dudes ready to go during a time where effectively no one outside of the dude about to retire is a draw. Fire these goofs, haha Basically, Magics post ^. I get being worried about the precedent it could set, but ya know what also? Rosters big enough, peeps (off tv or younger) seem to be hungry… Cut ‘em. Others should step up. Because the alternative, if the word is true, is this guys around till 2027 Lmao
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Post by Dub H on Mar 1, 2024 13:26:03 GMT -5
I just don’t get the point of having a million bodies under contract and then letting dudes talk crazy online like you don’t got hungrier and younger dudes ready to go during a time where effectively no one outside of the dude about to retire is a draw. Fire these goofs, haha Specially when AEW was doing better when those hungrier younger dudes where busting their asses for the show.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Mar 1, 2024 13:52:25 GMT -5
I just don’t get the point of having a million bodies under contract and then letting dudes talk crazy online like you don’t got hungrier and younger dudes ready to go during a time where effectively no one outside of the dude about to retire is a draw. Fire these goofs, haha Yeah and that’s not even saying to just release everyone single person who cries on twitter about their booking. But there needs to be something set up when you can talk to TK or whoever about why you want to be released. Explain your point professionally, then the office can counter it with their point. And if you can come to an agreement to stay? Cool. If not, then release them. Like there’s gotta be a line between Vince telling people that they have to do something super uncomfortable or they’re fired like a piece of shit, and Tony telling people his idea, them saying “that doesn’t work for me brother”, and Tony just going “ok go home while I continue to pay you millions of dollars to do nothing”
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Mar 1, 2024 14:02:12 GMT -5
Miro is approaching Damian Sandow levels of p*****g away the goodwill they built up with how their WWE run went I was so excited when he first joined AEW and now whenever I hear his name it’s a case of “how is he being a b**** this time” Edit: I get why releasing someone who wants to leave would set a bad precedent. Khan has his thing about honouring contracts so it works both ways so just tell them to stay home until their contract expires but let people know they won’t be around It's worse than Sandow. Miro showed that he can work outside the WWE system when given the chance. It's that his attitude/priorities suck. Sandow showed everyone from the jump, and especially with whatever the f*** the Liberace gimmick was supposed to be, that he couldn't swim outside the WWE pool
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Ben Wyatt
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I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Mar 1, 2024 14:05:05 GMT -5
I respect Tony not wanting to fire/release people but there needs to be some kind of reasonable middle ground here. You can't just let someone take public shots at you online when they're unhappy, especially when it's someone who's been throwing a tantrum for the better part of the last 12-15 months
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Post by raymondo316 on Mar 1, 2024 14:26:43 GMT -5
Bryan Alvarez is yet again saying there are certain people causing problems by refusing to go along with what Tony wants to do
Right on cue... I completely understand Tony not wanting to set a precedent for agreeing to release disgruntled employees, because it would arguably incentivize people to cause trouble to try and force a release, but AEW is objectively in a bit of a down period right now in terms of perception, and stuff like this really exacerbates it. I think it would be a net benefit to AEW to just trim the fat, so to speak, and cut bait with all of the malcontents. If Miro, Malakai Black, Buddy Matthews, etc... want to go, let them go. AEW has a deep well of unused/underused talent to draw from. I really don't get what Tony gains from keeping these people for another 2-3 years who clearly don't want to be there. Its not like Malakai, Miro etc have been doing anything amazing in the last 18 months that makes it worthwhile dealing with all this drama. The roster is already massive, Ospreay has just started, and we have Okada joining anytime in the next 2 weeks....He needs to stop wasting time on these people who cause problems and focus on talent that actually wants to be there.
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Post by HIM on Mar 1, 2024 14:30:30 GMT -5
Social media is ruinous for a big guy's aura we should be hearing exaggerated stories about Miro ripping lads' faces off in bars not hearing him whine about his boss not checking in on him. On the other hand, there can be charming stuff like this: f*** Gojo. Just came to say that.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 1, 2024 14:34:54 GMT -5
On the other hand, there can be charming stuff like this: f*** Gojo. Just came to say that. Nah Gojo is cool. What ruins JJK for me is the insane amount of plot armor Yuji has when everyone he pairs up with justs get f***ed in 5 different ways carrying his ass
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 1, 2024 14:36:11 GMT -5
Right on cue... I completely understand Tony not wanting to set a precedent for agreeing to release disgruntled employees, because it would arguably incentivize people to cause trouble to try and force a release, but AEW is objectively in a bit of a down period right now in terms of perception, and stuff like this really exacerbates it. I think it would be a net benefit to AEW to just trim the fat, so to speak, and cut bait with all of the malcontents. If Miro, Malakai Black, Buddy Matthews, etc... want to go, let them go. AEW has a deep well of unused/underused talent to draw from. I really don't get what Tony gains from keeping these people for another 2-3 years who clearly don't want to be there. Its not like Malakai, Miro etc have been doing anything amazing in the last 18 months that makes it worthwhile dealing with all this drama. The roster is already massive, Ospreay has just started, and we have Okada joining anytime in the next 2 weeks....He needs to stop wasting time on these people who cause problems and focus on talent that actually wants to be there. If I had to guess: it's basically to avoid setting a precedent of "being a malcontent can get you an early release, if that's what you want." Like, Andrade doing what he did to Sammy was a fireable offense, but at a time when AEW was getting word of lots of potential tampering coming from Stamford I kind of get the idea of sending a message that doing shitty things won't get you back to Hunter. It'd just be giving a talent back to WWE, while letting the idea sink in that guys can just be douchebags to get out of their deals if they're not happy. Still, I agree that there comes a point where it's not worth it anymore, and it becomes a waste of money and energy, or only contributes to negative news coverage. I figured Miro could get a break recently given CJ's health scare happening so shortly after they brought her in, but this is getting ridiculous. I don't begrudge wrestlers speaking out if they think the office is mistreating them, but barring new information, it sure just comes across as Miro saying "if I don't get to do whatever I want, I'm not interested". If that's the case, sorry dude, enough's enough.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 1, 2024 14:36:32 GMT -5
I respect that Tony Khan won't just go on "budget reasons" release sprees and respects contracts, but there's gotta be a happy medium between that and just not doing anything about the Miros of the Locker Room. Granted, releasing someone mid-injury is pretty shitty. But once Miro's healthy again, either he puts up or he should be gone.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 1, 2024 14:38:48 GMT -5
I think its pretty clear there is a handful of Ex-WWE Wrestlers that saw AEW as an "easy fallback money gig" where they could make money and push their ex-WWE fame for what they want.
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Post by HIM on Mar 1, 2024 15:00:21 GMT -5
f*** Gojo. Just came to say that. Nah Gojo is cool. What ruins JJK for me is the insane amount of plot armor Yuji has when everyone he pairs up with justs get f***ed in 5 different ways carrying his ass I don't like that Gojo is a Kakashi who's the strongest without the depth of what made Kakashi great. Kakashi had weaknesses so that made him more complex compared to Gojo where it's hard for me to like as he's mostly liked for the power aspect. Yuji needs something bad. Like, I get it since he's the MC but he's definitely getting saved by each and every person.
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Post by Kalmia on Mar 1, 2024 15:26:23 GMT -5
I think Khan is in a no-win situation with people like Miro. Releasing him sets a bad precedent but keeping him on the roster and not using him isn't helpful to anyone.
AEW could release Miro with a restrictive no compete that bars him from working for WWE/anything televised in the US, I guess. Depending on how the contract is worded, Khan could take a legal route to force Miro to play ball. But do you really want to do either of those as they could potentially have wider repercussions.
Miro just seems like the kind of guy that is never happy unless things are 100% his way. Maybe he has reasons to be unhappy but he isn't going to get any happier by refusing to do what's asked of him. Andrade had similar issues but he did more for his profile and worth by competing in the CC than he did sitting at home and complaining.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 1, 2024 15:38:02 GMT -5
I think Khan is in a no-win situation with people like Miro. Releasing him sets a bad precedent but keeping him on the roster and not using him isn't helpful to anyone. AEW could release Miro with a restrictive no compete that bars him from working for WWE/anything televised in the US, I guess. Depending on how the contract is worded, Khan could take a legal route to force Miro to play ball. But do you really want to do either of those as they could potentially have wider repercussions. Miro just seems like the kind of guy that is never happy unless things are 100% his way. Maybe he has reasons to be unhappy but he isn't going to get any happier by refusing to do what's asked of him. Andrade had similar issues but he did more for his profile and worth by competing in the CC than he did sitting at home and complaining. The second TK starts playing hardball with no-competes and such, all the Drones will try to play the "A-HA! He IS just like Vince after all!" (because they don't give a shit about all that nasty Rape business when it comes to Vince) card.
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Post by GOTHIC CHARISMA 🧊 🥶❄️FURY on Mar 1, 2024 15:56:04 GMT -5
TK gotta have the patience of a saint cause damn I would’ve fired Miro a few seconds after that tweet. They have literally dozens of top tier talent who just wanna be on TV, there’s no time for this foolishness. I’m all for people making a living and would almost never advocate for someone to lose their job but at some point enough has gotta be enough. Dudes like that make it worse for all your employees.
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Post by Chiral on Mar 1, 2024 15:59:13 GMT -5
You know it's an AEW PPV weekend when the random drama bullshit starts lol
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Mar 1, 2024 16:20:09 GMT -5
I think all of these injuries is a reason why TK wants a rather large roster. He wants flexibility and the ability to pivot or bring in someone if the right idea comes around. And compared to things like production, lower level talent contracts are a relatively small expense. Especially compared to the other sports he helps run.
And I am sure there are folks frustrated and some plans change. But I do find it somewhat funny because this is coming out after one of AEW's most focused and consistent PPV builds. They had clear feuds with consistent build and long term planning. Sure, I imagine some Rampage matches here and there changed. But the overarching stories remained there for the most part. And I am sure there are things Tony is working around that talent isn't aware of like travel + health issues.
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