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Post by xCompackx on Mar 4, 2024 7:34:04 GMT -5
As a spot that'll probably never happen again, I thought it was cool as shit. I don't envy how Darby's gonna feel today, but as a fan, it was awesome.
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Post by eJm on Mar 4, 2024 7:36:08 GMT -5
As a spot that'll probably never happen again, I thought it was cool as shit. I don't envy how Darby's gonna feel today, but as a fan, it was awesome. Yeah, I'm not exactly a super fan but putting over how willing Darby was to get the win for Sting, I was invested. Also, I know some people might say it's not worth it, and that's fair enough, it got the crowd way more invested in him returning and helping Sting win.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Mar 4, 2024 7:51:30 GMT -5
For me personally it didn’t add to the story, it did the opposite, it made me worried the guy legit did something dumb and was bleeding badly on the floor. I’m glad he’s ok and nobody got hurt. There are regular things to look out for when you’re in the front row at a show, but I’m not sure “dodging glass flying at you” is something normally on the AEW ticket.
I probably won’t care much past today and there will be annoying discourse on the internet about it, but it strikes me as something that deserves some reasonable discussion.
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Post by Kalmia on Mar 4, 2024 8:04:00 GMT -5
Most wrestlers that do crazy spots do them for the pops and to steal the show. Darby does it because it's a day ending in Y. If he wasn't a wrestler, I fully believe he'd be jumping through glass windows just for fun. He may as well make some money out of his insanity.
I wasn't a fan of the spot either, for what it's worth. I'm always torn between letting grown men do what they want to themselves and thinking that someone should put their foot down with him.
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Post by daaave on Mar 4, 2024 8:11:11 GMT -5
Gotta make Darby look strong before he does the job to Everest
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 4, 2024 8:19:37 GMT -5
Gotta make Darby look strong before he does the job to Everest I am so happy to report upon seeing if there was an actual wrestler named "Everest", like complete with Everest mountain backdrop for gimmick photos, that I have come back with actual gold
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Post by stoptheclocks on Mar 4, 2024 8:58:20 GMT -5
Darby's a grown man and there's enough out there about the long term effects of all of this that he can make his own decisions on what he wants to do. However, this spot was still awful. People brought up the HIAC spots, but at least they put the Undertaker over as a monster who was trying to kill Mankind. This was just a guy front flipping himself through glass and cutting his body up. Beyond the stupidity of it, I don't see why that's in any way impressive or adds to any story. He was trying to destroy Matt Jackson, and he didn't care if he took himself out to do it Nick moved him out of the way, he crashed and burned, and was out for a large portion of the remainder of the match It added to the story pretty clearly that it turned Sting's match into a near handicap for the rest of the way until Darby could catch The Bucks at a weak moment and use what he had left to take Nick Jackson out and hit Matt with the Coffin Drop/Deathlock combo and win the match Your argument can very easily be "There are other spots you could have done", fair, but there was story aspect to it in that visually and as a spot, it definitely looked like Darby wasn't coming back, and the crowd roared to life when he did. For me, there's no suspension of disbelief there, because everyone in the building knew that Matt was going to move out of the way. Nobody watching the show's first thought would've been 'Darby's really trying to destroy Matt Jackson here'. So then you're left with what it is, a non-sequitur stunt of a man throwing himself through some glass. twitter.com/JustinDavidKish/status/1764517316493295714?t=7_U7XKdXg86PwjNnRnEBkw&s=19Like what is the attempt at a move here. If Matt would've stood completely still, Darby would've missed him by several feet. Again, I'm not outraged by the idea of him going through glass, whatever. But there's no shortage of people in the world who could do what Darby did, so it's not impressive in that sense. And there was no real reason for doing it, so it wasn't impressive from a storyline perspective either.
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Post by chronocross on Mar 4, 2024 9:10:49 GMT -5
Definitely not a fan of this type of wrestling but then again I was never a fan of Hardcore Wrestling dating back to ECW.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 4, 2024 9:13:10 GMT -5
He was trying to destroy Matt Jackson, and he didn't care if he took himself out to do it Nick moved him out of the way, he crashed and burned, and was out for a large portion of the remainder of the match It added to the story pretty clearly that it turned Sting's match into a near handicap for the rest of the way until Darby could catch The Bucks at a weak moment and use what he had left to take Nick Jackson out and hit Matt with the Coffin Drop/Deathlock combo and win the match Your argument can very easily be "There are other spots you could have done", fair, but there was story aspect to it in that visually and as a spot, it definitely looked like Darby wasn't coming back, and the crowd roared to life when he did. For me, there's no suspension of disbelief there, because everyone in the building knew that Matt was going to move out of the way. Nobody watching the show's first thought would've been 'Darby's really trying to destroy Matt Jackson here'. So then you're left with what it is, a non-sequitur stunt of a man throwing himself through some glass. Like what is the attempt at a move here. If Matt would've stood completely still, Darby would've missed him by several feet. Again, I'm not outraged by the idea of him going through glass, whatever. But there's no shortage of people in the world who could do what Darby did, so it's not impressive in that sense. And there was no real reason for doing it, so it wasn't impressive from a storyline perspective either. Matt's back was covered, that gave me the idea he could have like Sting gone through the glass without risk or much less risk They didn't really show the angle until impact and Nick yanking him out of the way, as a spot, Darby is always laying it on the line and trying to take his opponents out even if that includes taking himself out I thought it was fine and turned the match into a harrowing 2 on 1, the spot being so insane fans weren't sure if Darby would come back from it, and he's come back from crazy shit It got the pop it was designed to get, so fair if you didn't like it, but as a whole I think it worked, hopefully Darby's not too banged up after it.
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Mar 4, 2024 9:16:50 GMT -5
Didn't watch the show, but this clip is all over Twitter and HOLY F**K.
So dumb and reckless and career-shortening. In other words, I love it!
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Post by Denny Zen on Mar 4, 2024 9:53:46 GMT -5
I thought it was an awesome spot to accentuate the gravity of just how important Sting's last match was, but it was definitely the sort of spot you only want to see once a decade or so at most. It'll be like Mick Foley falling through the Cell in terms of how it's viewed in AEW's history and used in video packages of insane wrestling spots done by mainstream companies.
I do have to say, too, that I think the discourse on Darby shortening his career, being foolish, etc... is a little overblown. The guy is trained as both a skateboarder and a stuntman. I know every professional wrestler knows how to fall, but Darby really knows how to fall. Falling into breakaway glass like that creates an insane bloody visual, but really only causes superficial cuts and scrapes. Like the thumbtack spot on steroids. It's really telling to me how "safe" Darby is as a worker that, despite being universally considered the biggest daredevil in all of mainstream professional wrestling today, he's really avoided any major injury at all in his career.
Honestly, the two turnbuckle brainbuster spots felt more unsafe to me than this spot (and Ospreay probably got injured worse).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2024 10:02:16 GMT -5
Welcome to the club Darby....atleast you do not have to wrestle the very next day.
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Post by Facetious on Mar 4, 2024 10:18:53 GMT -5
Welcome to the club Darby....atleast you do not have to wrestle the very next day. Those are rookie numbers! Needs to hit Jun Kasai numbers
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Post by Muskrat on Mar 4, 2024 10:19:56 GMT -5
Most wrestlers that do crazy spots do them for the pops and to steal the show. Darby does it because it's a day ending in Y. If he wasn't a wrestler, I fully believe he'd be jumping through glass windows just for fun. He may as well make some money out of his insanity. I wasn't a fan of the spot either, for what it's worth. I'm always torn between letting grown men do what they want to themselves and thinking that someone should put their foot down with him. Darby absolutely shoots Jackass style stunt videos on his days off. And Adam Copeland has talked about shooting his debut video guerilla style hanging out of the back of a van with Darby and his friend. He's an adrenaline junkie, he lives for doing stupid shit.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Mar 4, 2024 10:24:02 GMT -5
I thought it was an awesome spot to accentuate the gravity of just how important Sting's last match was, but it was definitely the sort of spot you only want to see once a decade or so at most. It'll be like Mick Foley falling through the Cell in terms of how its viewed in AEW's history and used in video packages of insane wrestling spots done by mainstream companies. I do have to say, too, that I think the discourse on Darby shortening his career, being foolish, etc... is a little overblown. The guy is trained as both a skateboarder and a stuntman. I know every professional wrestler knows how to fall, but Darby really knows how to fall. Falling into breakaway glass like that creates an insane bloody visual, but really only causes superficial cuts and scrapes. Like the thumbtack spot on steroids. It's really telling to me how "safe" Darby is as a worker that, despite being universally considered the biggest daredevil in all of mainstream professional wrestling today, he's really avoided any major injury at all in his career. Honestly, the two turnbuckle brainbuster spots felt more unsafe to me than this spot (and Ospreay probably got injured worse). A stunt performer is typically diving onto a large crash pad from the height Darby dove last night. It's not exactly the same as diving onto a large pane of glass, metal chairs and some very light padding on top of a concrete floor. There are a lot of concern trolls out there, but I'm not sure the concern about him shortening his career is totally overblown. He's putting his body through serious trauma just wrestling and when you add some of this wacky shit on top of that, unless he's truly a one of a kind human being that needs to be examined by doctors, there's no way the human body can hold up doing this stuff after awhile. I feel like Darby going through a few stacked tables would have achieved the same "holy shit" factor as the glass. That's just me, though. Sounds like he's got his doctor's note to go climb Mt. Everest, so I'm glad he's ok.
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Post by lucas_lee on Mar 4, 2024 10:26:28 GMT -5
I thought it was an awesome spot to accentuate the gravity of just how important Sting's last match was, but it was definitely the sort of spot you only want to see once a decade or so at most. It'll be like Mick Foley falling through the Cell in terms of how its viewed in AEW's history and used in video packages of insane wrestling spots done by mainstream companies. I do have to say, too, that I think the discourse on Darby shortening his career, being foolish, etc... is a little overblown. The guy is trained as both a skateboarder and a stuntman. I know every professional wrestler knows how to fall, but Darby really knows how to fall. Falling into breakaway glass like that creates an insane bloody visual, but really only causes superficial cuts and scrapes. Like the thumbtack spot on steroids. It's really telling to me how "safe" Darby is as a worker that, despite being universally considered the biggest daredevil in all of mainstream professional wrestling today, he's really avoided any major injury at all in his career. Honestly, the two turnbuckle brainbuster spots felt more unsafe to me than this spot (and Ospreay probably got injured worse). I wouldn't have a big issue with the spot if if the shards didn't go flying into the crowd. It would've put a damper on things if someone got hurt because of a stunt. But also it is a really dumb stunt to not have anything but glass break your fall.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 4, 2024 10:28:11 GMT -5
I thought it was an awesome spot to accentuate the gravity of just how important Sting's last match was, but it was definitely the sort of spot you only want to see once a decade or so at most. It'll be like Mick Foley falling through the Cell in terms of how its viewed in AEW's history and used in video packages of insane wrestling spots done by mainstream companies. I do have to say, too, that I think the discourse on Darby shortening his career, being foolish, etc... is a little overblown. The guy is trained as both a skateboarder and a stuntman. I know every professional wrestler knows how to fall, but Darby really knows how to fall. Falling into breakaway glass like that creates an insane bloody visual, but really only causes superficial cuts and scrapes. Like the thumbtack spot on steroids. It's really telling to me how "safe" Darby is as a worker that, despite being universally considered the biggest daredevil in all of mainstream professional wrestling today, he's really avoided any major injury at all in his career. Honestly, the two turnbuckle brainbuster spots felt more unsafe to me than this spot (and Ospreay probably got injured worse). I wouldn't have a big issue with the spot if if the shards didn't go flying into the crowd. It would've put a damper on things if someone got hurt because of a stunt. But also it is a really dumb stunt to not have anything but glass break your fall.
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Post by lucas_lee on Mar 4, 2024 10:29:20 GMT -5
I wouldn't have a big issue with the spot if if the shards didn't go flying into the crowd. It would've put a damper on things if someone got hurt because of a stunt. But also it is a really dumb stunt to not have anything but glass break your fall.One of the few times Punks jackassery was warranted. Using real glass is stupid, just so much can go wrong.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 4, 2024 10:32:09 GMT -5
One of the few times Punks jackassery was warranted. Using real glass is stupid, just so much can go wrong. Telling him not to do it? Sure Fighting him about it and trying to choke him out? No I'd say not lol
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Post by Denny Zen on Mar 4, 2024 10:36:39 GMT -5
I thought it was an awesome spot to accentuate the gravity of just how important Sting's last match was, but it was definitely the sort of spot you only want to see once a decade or so at most. It'll be like Mick Foley falling through the Cell in terms of how its viewed in AEW's history and used in video packages of insane wrestling spots done by mainstream companies. I do have to say, too, that I think the discourse on Darby shortening his career, being foolish, etc... is a little overblown. The guy is trained as both a skateboarder and a stuntman. I know every professional wrestler knows how to fall, but Darby really knows how to fall. Falling into breakaway glass like that creates an insane bloody visual, but really only causes superficial cuts and scrapes. Like the thumbtack spot on steroids. It's really telling to me how "safe" Darby is as a worker that, despite being universally considered the biggest daredevil in all of mainstream professional wrestling today, he's really avoided any major injury at all in his career. Honestly, the two turnbuckle brainbuster spots felt more unsafe to me than this spot (and Ospreay probably got injured worse). I wouldn't have a big issue with the spot if if the shards didn't go flying into the crowd. It would've put a damper on things if someone got hurt because of a stunt. But also it is a really dumb stunt to not have anything but glass break your fall. I agree with that, you're really playing with fire having shards of glass go flying into the crowd. And I'm also not saying the spot was the safest thing that's ever happened in wrestling, but at the end of the day it was a flat back bump through a thin pane of breakaway glass with chairs set up to slow momentum performed by a guy who is one of the best there's ever been in wrestling at taking that exact bump as safely as you can possibly take it. It just looked more dangerous than it actually was in my opinion (which isn't to say it wasn't dangerous at all - it was - it just looked like one of the most death-defying spots in the entire history of wrestling). Darby is very, very good at doing things that look more dangerous than they actually are, in my opinion.
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