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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 7, 2024 3:32:09 GMT -5
Something else I’d add about his last few years is that his stubbornness was often combined with indecisiveness,, which lead to so much chopping and changing and outcomes that made nobody look good. The WM 34 main event is a good example, where fans were paranoid about a Roman ‘coronation’, but Vince didn’t follow through so we got Roman surviving five F5s but then getting pinned anyway. at 34 I remember most fans seemed like they were in a "just do it and get it over with" phase... they knew that Roman was going to kick out of the F5 it was basically broadcast when suddenly Brock was beating everyone with one... and that only Roman was going to Dethrone him... but then they didn't anyway... because Vince didn't want the winner of mania to get booed... |
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Post by eJm on Apr 7, 2024 3:39:05 GMT -5
Something else I’d add about his last few years is that his stubbornness was often combined with indecisiveness,, which lead to so much chopping and changing and outcomes that made nobody look good. The WM 34 main event is a good example, where fans were paranoid about a Roman ‘coronation’, but Vince didn’t follow through so we got Roman surviving five F5s but then getting pinned anyway. at 34 I remember most fans seemed like they were in a "just do it and get it over with" phase... they knew that Roman was going to kick out of the F5 it was basically broadcast when suddenly Brock was beating everyone with one... and that only Roman was going to Dethrone him... but then they didn't anyway... because Vince didn't want the winner of mania to get booed... Which ended up happening anyway considering Brock just won and they hurried to the end of the show. God, it coming more into my head made me feel most of 34 was a waste of time. |
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Post by Rolent Tex on Apr 7, 2024 3:55:00 GMT -5
The day WCW died. There was some good stuff after…but that was the day he got complacent.
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Post by King Devitt on Apr 7, 2024 6:05:35 GMT -5
I feel like outside the Hulk Hogan era, he himself wasn’t a good booker at all. And that was when he was younger, in the know, and had his finger on the pulse of pop culture cause he was still watching it. He was also businessman who took advantage of promoters and used his money to outlast their ass. But you only have to look at post Hulkamania and the New Generation, dude didn’t have a clue about what people wanted anymore cause he had built this insular bubble with his success. The only reason the Attitude Era even happened was because he had guys like Patterson, JR, Cornette, Prichard, and yes even on a pole match bro himself giving him ideas and THAT was only a thing because his competition was kicking his ass. And once that was over? He had gotten even more out of touch, more insular, got rid of his booking trust in favor of writers and yesmen, and he realized that his company was idiotproof to make money. So like, why book anything for anyone other than yourself? yeah, this falls in line with my initial thought of "when did he ever have it, really?" and you elaborated on it in greater detail. I've been watching since the 80's and most of Vince's greatest moments were either 1. things he didn't think of but was happy to take credit for or 2. something he lucked into and convinced himself otherwise. |
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Post by john84 on Apr 7, 2024 18:47:01 GMT -5
The day WCW died. There was some good stuff after…but that was the day he got complacent. Yeah, he definitely got complacent but for me I'd say 2015 personally speaking because between 2001-2014 there where still things I enjoyed quite a bit. 2016 was better because of SmackDown and there've been stuff I've enjoyed since then but on the whole I'd say 2015 was the year on a personal level. |
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