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Post by mistery on Apr 6, 2024 22:54:58 GMT -5
i don't really see what jade's stuff now has to do with AEW at all. she gets great crowd reactions, WWE already has like 10 other women who can pull off a 4/4.5 star match and she was absolute horseshit in AEW. she was still mega over even if a lot of us complained about her not dropping the TBS title. the wwe crowds aren't gonna be all "DAMN SHE SUCKS" if she can't do some 450 whosit woosit, she just has to lift someone and drop them. a big part of professional wrestling is charisma and yeah, physical presence especially when you're in WWE. let her talk a bit when you need her to but there's nothing wrong with her right now. Here's the thing. She is getting great crowd reactions FOR NOW. Eventually though, she's going to be expected at least be competent in the ring, which is something she hasn't really demonstrated yet. The fact that she only took one bump in the entire match, and all of her spots were more robotic than an actual robot which should be concerning. Physical charisma only carries you so far. Outside of here and reddit, the overwhelming sentiment I've seen regarding Jade is that she's powerful and looks good, but otherwise is still very green at best. So she's going to get more slack still, but eventually if she doesn't start making significant improvements, things are gonna turn ugly for her. The problem is that WWE seems to be getting ready to push her as a major figure in the division well before she's ready to be in that role.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Apr 6, 2024 23:01:23 GMT -5
i don't really see what jade's stuff now has to do with AEW at all. she gets great crowd reactions, WWE already has like 10 other women who can pull off a 4/4.5 star match and she was absolute horseshit in AEW. she was still mega over even if a lot of us complained about her not dropping the TBS title. the wwe crowds aren't gonna be all "DAMN SHE SUCKS" if she can't do some 450 whosit woosit, she just has to lift someone and drop them. a big part of professional wrestling is charisma and yeah, physical presence especially when you're in WWE. let her talk a bit when you need her to but there's nothing wrong with her right now. Here's the thing. She is getting great crowd reactions FOR NOW. Eventually though, she's going to be expected at least be competent in the ring, which is something she hasn't really demonstrated yet. The fact that she only took one bump in the entire match, and all of her spots were more robotic than an actual robot which should be concerning. Physical charisma only carries you so far. Outside of here and reddit, the overwhelming sentiment I've seen regarding Jade is that she's powerful and looks good, but otherwise is still very green at best. So she's going to get more slack still, but eventually if she doesn't start making significant improvements, things are gonna turn ugly for her. i just don't see that ever really happening in wwe. if they have her go in there and do one move against the likes of bianca/becky/rhea/etc. within a few months for titles then yes, there is a chance that some of the crowd will be annoyed but don't sell what tonight's match means too. damage ctrl was going into this as a team that most everyone knew would lose with jade being hyped to the moon but the crowds still really like most of those wrestlers, especially asuka. if any crowd would have booed her for being green as hell, it would not only be philly but a mania philly crowd and that didn't happen because to most people she's just cool. you have to have room on the roster for these types of acts, not everyone can pull a 5 star match out of their ass like bianca, charlotte and the like. she can take her time, have interpersonal feuds or be the person that when they show up, people know shit is about to get real because she's gonna beat the brakes off someone, not pin them 1-2-3 or whatever.
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Post by mistery on Apr 6, 2024 23:06:25 GMT -5
Here's the thing. She is getting great crowd reactions FOR NOW. Eventually though, she's going to be expected at least be competent in the ring, which is something she hasn't really demonstrated yet. The fact that she only took one bump in the entire match, and all of her spots were more robotic than an actual robot which should be concerning. Physical charisma only carries you so far. Outside of here and reddit, the overwhelming sentiment I've seen regarding Jade is that she's powerful and looks good, but otherwise is still very green at best. So she's going to get more slack still, but eventually if she doesn't start making significant improvements, things are gonna turn ugly for her. i just don't see that ever really happening in wwe. if they have her go in there and do one move against the likes of bianca/becky/rhea/etc. within a few months for titles then yes, there is a chance that some of the crowd will be annoyed but don't sell what tonight's match means too. damage ctrl was going into this as a team that most everyone knew would lose with jade being hyped to the moon but the crowds still really like most of those wrestlers, especially asuka. if any crowd would have booed her for being green as hell, it would not only be philly but a mania philly crowd and that didn't happen because to most people she's just cool. you have to have room on the roster for these types of acts, not everyone can pull a 5 star match out of their ass like bianca, charlotte and the like. she can take her time, have interpersonal feuds or be the person that when they show up, people know shit is about to get real because she's gonna beat the brakes off someone, not pin them 1-2-3 or whatever. And that's fine. But if they are going to do that, then she needs to be kept away from the title scene. Because her having a 10 minute squash match on a PLE would be awful. Not to mention she's likely not gonna lose until next year's Mania at the earliest.
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Post by gl83 on Apr 6, 2024 23:10:40 GMT -5
i just don't see that ever really happening in wwe. if they have her go in there and do one move against the likes of bianca/becky/rhea/etc. within a few months for titles then yes, there is a chance that some of the crowd will be annoyed but don't sell what tonight's match means too. damage ctrl was going into this as a team that most everyone knew would lose with jade being hyped to the moon but the crowds still really like most of those wrestlers, especially asuka. if any crowd would have booed her for being green as hell, it would not only be philly but a mania philly crowd and that didn't happen because to most people she's just cool. you have to have room on the roster for these types of acts, not everyone can pull a 5 star match out of their ass like bianca, charlotte and the like. she can take her time, have interpersonal feuds or be the person that when they show up, people know shit is about to get real because she's gonna beat the brakes off someone, not pin them 1-2-3 or whatever. And that's fine. But if they are going to do that, then she needs to be kept away from the title scene. Because her having a 10 minute squash match on a PLE would be awful. Not to mention she's likely not gonna lose until next year's Mania at the earliest. Hence my suggestion that they put her in the tag team scene to hide her flaws and just have her get hot tags and wreck shop. Hell have her team up with Bianca since they can "kill 2 birds with 1 stone" by hiding her flaws as she develops, while eventually building to the eventual implosion and feud between the two of them.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Apr 6, 2024 23:18:05 GMT -5
i just don't see that ever really happening in wwe. if they have her go in there and do one move against the likes of bianca/becky/rhea/etc. within a few months for titles then yes, there is a chance that some of the crowd will be annoyed but don't sell what tonight's match means too. damage ctrl was going into this as a team that most everyone knew would lose with jade being hyped to the moon but the crowds still really like most of those wrestlers, especially asuka. if any crowd would have booed her for being green as hell, it would not only be philly but a mania philly crowd and that didn't happen because to most people she's just cool. you have to have room on the roster for these types of acts, not everyone can pull a 5 star match out of their ass like bianca, charlotte and the like. she can take her time, have interpersonal feuds or be the person that when they show up, people know shit is about to get real because she's gonna beat the brakes off someone, not pin them 1-2-3 or whatever. And that's fine. But if they are going to do that, then she needs to be kept away from the title scene. Because her having a 10 minute squash match on a PLE would be awful. Not to mention she's likely not gonna lose until next year's Mania at the earliest. yeah there's no room for her as it stands in the title scene but there also wouldn't be room for her or much of anyone else except for stellar exceptions (like a giulia) in any of these women's title scenes. the issue i had with jade in aew is that she held onto what was supposed to be the equivalent of the women's IC title for 508 days. five hundred and eight f***ing days undefeated as the mid card (maybe?) women's champion. 508!!!!!! aew fans were already subjected to the absolute worst case scenario possible for someone as green as her and she was STILL getting some good cheers over there. was constantly told she was a star and this 508 day reign wasn't that bad... hell i remember people defending her like crazy. now she goes into a company where they're not going to do something that insane, she'll show up every once in a while but plays to the things she already has established. she as a particular talent is way better suited for wwe because of how the divisions are already booked, she would have to leapfrog so many women and that isn't going to happen. not for years, she might get a rare goldberg type title run a year or two from now where she holds it for a little bit but no, that type of old jade stuff simply isn't gonna fly. especially not with the mass amount of nxt women's talent that needs to be called up.
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Post by schma on Apr 7, 2024 7:38:31 GMT -5
She has a great look for Storm and a photoshoot as Storm would be cool. There's no way she's ever going to play Storm.
This would be like what's her name who played Psylocke and basically didn't speak. She was pretty much hired because she looked the part. The thing is, Storm is a much larger character than Psylocke and much better known.
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Post by mistery on Apr 7, 2024 7:59:45 GMT -5
And that's fine. But if they are going to do that, then she needs to be kept away from the title scene. Because her having a 10 minute squash match on a PLE would be awful. Not to mention she's likely not gonna lose until next year's Mania at the earliest. yeah there's no room for her as it stands in the title scene but there also wouldn't be room for her or much of anyone else except for stellar exceptions (like a giulia) in any of these women's title scenes. the issue i had with jade in aew is that she held onto what was supposed to be the equivalent of the women's IC title for 508 days. five hundred and eight f***ing days undefeated as the mid card (maybe?) women's champion. 508!!!!!! aew fans were already subjected to the absolute worst case scenario possible for someone as green as her and she was STILL getting some good cheers over there. was constantly told she was a star and this 508 day reign wasn't that bad... hell i remember people defending her like crazy. now she goes into a company where they're not going to do something that insane, she'll show up every once in a while but plays to the things she already has established. she as a particular talent is way better suited for wwe because of how the divisions are already booked, she would have to leapfrog so many women and that isn't going to happen. not for years, she might get a rare goldberg type title run a year or two from now where she holds it for a little bit but no, that type of old jade stuff simply isn't gonna fly. especially not with the mass amount of nxt women's talent that needs to be called up. I agree, but it seems very clear WWE is going to go all in (no pun intended) on Jade probably by Summerslam at the latest. They seem to be aware of how severely limited in the ring she is, but that won't stop them from giving her the title. They will of course, then be booking themselves into a corner, but god knows WWE does that far too often anyways. Because Jade having less than 10 minute matches on PLEs is not going to go over well. Especially when those matches are still going to be massive clunkers at best. Last night just demonstrated Jade still needs NXT/significant PC training. Badly. Because she has the physical look down, but literally nothing else. And physical looks only carry you so far in the business these days. Eventually fans are going to expect her to have a singles match that's longer than 10 minutes. And the moment that she gets put into one, things are gonna get real ugly real quick.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 7, 2024 8:19:36 GMT -5
She looked good in the ring in the limited amount of time she had last night.
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Post by uewfigfed on Apr 7, 2024 8:23:42 GMT -5
Th most protected mania debut of all time Lmfao
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 7, 2024 9:16:19 GMT -5
Ironically saw a quote from Jade the other day in regards to why she went to WWE. Long story short, doesn't sound like she plans to be in wrestling super long (not knocking her for that BTW), but she flat out said AEW wants the wrestlers to figure it out, and with her lack of experience in ring she felt she needed more structure which WWE has.
I will also say this, I think a lot of the hate Jade got in AEW in ring was overblown. She's not great but she does have a few matches I'd consider good. But she is gonna need the right dance partner.
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Post by crazydom on Apr 7, 2024 9:47:40 GMT -5
i don't really see what jade's stuff now has to do with AEW at all. she gets great crowd reactions, WWE already has like 10 other women who can pull off a 4/4.5 star match and she was absolute horseshit in AEW. she was still mega over even if a lot of us complained about her not dropping the TBS title. the wwe crowds aren't gonna be all "DAMN SHE SUCKS" if she can't do some 450 whosit woosit, she just has to lift someone and drop them. a big part of professional wrestling is charisma and yeah, physical presence especially when you're in WWE. let her talk a bit when you need her to but there's nothing wrong with her right now. Here's the thing. She is getting great crowd reactions FOR NOW. Eventually though, she's going to be expected at least be competent in the ring, which is something she hasn't really demonstrated yet. The fact that she only took one bump in the entire match, and all of her spots were more robotic than an actual robot which should be concerning. Physical charisma only carries you so far. Outside of here and reddit, the overwhelming sentiment I've seen regarding Jade is that she's powerful and looks good, but otherwise is still very green at best. So she's going to get more slack still, but eventually if she doesn't start making significant improvements, things are gonna turn ugly for her. The problem is that WWE seems to be getting ready to push her as a major figure in the division well before she's ready to be in that role. AEW crowds never turned on Jade, even during her very long TBS reign. If AEW crowds didn't turn on her for being green, there's zero reason to believe WWE crowds will. For as divided as the internet is over Jade, it's never shown up in terms of live audience reactions.
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Apr 7, 2024 9:50:06 GMT -5
Sounds like it is the same as it was when I saw her in AEW. She looked absolutely great during her entrance and man the charisma radiated off her but when the bell range after a couple of mins you realised there’s not much there but if you have the right person in ring with her you can have a half decent entertaining match
Respect to her for doing a real life version of the original double j gimmick though and using wrestling to get to Hollywood
That’s J-A-D-E C-A-R-G-I- Double L
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Post by Renslayer on Apr 7, 2024 9:58:24 GMT -5
Is "Jade's mic skills are bad" the new "Cody will be unpopular soon"? Throw that in with "the crowd will turn on bianca!" and we've got ourselves a big three!
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Post by sfvega on Apr 7, 2024 10:05:28 GMT -5
Most wrestlers who get into movies are people who are already super charismatic and play off of that. Piper, Rock, Cena were all wildly charismatic and had range from way before they even thought about expanding out. It would behoove her to try and get good on the mic since it translates. Instead of wanting to be the crossover star who is currently bad at both skills.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Apr 7, 2024 12:32:11 GMT -5
yeah there's no room for her as it stands in the title scene but there also wouldn't be room for her or much of anyone else except for stellar exceptions (like a giulia) in any of these women's title scenes. the issue i had with jade in aew is that she held onto what was supposed to be the equivalent of the women's IC title for 508 days. five hundred and eight f***ing days undefeated as the mid card (maybe?) women's champion. 508!!!!!! aew fans were already subjected to the absolute worst case scenario possible for someone as green as her and she was STILL getting some good cheers over there. was constantly told she was a star and this 508 day reign wasn't that bad... hell i remember people defending her like crazy. now she goes into a company where they're not going to do something that insane, she'll show up every once in a while but plays to the things she already has established. she as a particular talent is way better suited for wwe because of how the divisions are already booked, she would have to leapfrog so many women and that isn't going to happen. not for years, she might get a rare goldberg type title run a year or two from now where she holds it for a little bit but no, that type of old jade stuff simply isn't gonna fly. especially not with the mass amount of nxt women's talent that needs to be called up. I agree, but it seems very clear WWE is going to go all in (no pun intended) on Jade probably by Summerslam at the latest. They seem to be aware of how severely limited in the ring she is, but that won't stop them from giving her the title. They will of course, then be booking themselves into a corner, but god knows WWE does that far too often anyways. Because Jade having less than 10 minute matches on PLEs is not going to go over well. Especially when those matches are still going to be massive clunkers at best. Last night just demonstrated Jade still needs NXT/significant PC training. Badly. Because she has the physical look down, but literally nothing else. And physical looks only carry you so far in the business these days. Eventually fans are going to expect her to have a singles match that's longer than 10 minutes. And the moment that she gets put into one, things are gonna get real ugly real quick. they probably will get ugly if she's asked to do things that she hasn't done in her career before but that's basically what i'm saying, it could get that ugly and the wwe crowd wouldn't care. aew is all about the workrate and even they didn't boo her really because it's the same thing then as it is here, she's just a badass. i don't want her anywhere near a title but wwe could give her one quickly and she still wouldn't be booed, their fans are much more used to the pomp and circumstance, she has that in spades.
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Post by gl83 on Apr 7, 2024 13:05:17 GMT -5
I agree, but it seems very clear WWE is going to go all in (no pun intended) on Jade probably by Summerslam at the latest. They seem to be aware of how severely limited in the ring she is, but that won't stop them from giving her the title. They will of course, then be booking themselves into a corner, but god knows WWE does that far too often anyways. Because Jade having less than 10 minute matches on PLEs is not going to go over well. Especially when those matches are still going to be massive clunkers at best. Last night just demonstrated Jade still needs NXT/significant PC training. Badly. Because she has the physical look down, but literally nothing else. And physical looks only carry you so far in the business these days. Eventually fans are going to expect her to have a singles match that's longer than 10 minutes. And the moment that she gets put into one, things are gonna get real ugly real quick. they probably will get ugly if she's asked to do things that she hasn't done in her career before but that's basically what i'm saying, it could get that ugly and the wwe crowd wouldn't care. aew is all about the workrate and even they didn't boo her really because it's the same thing then as it is here, she's just a badass. i don't want her anywhere near a title but wwe could give her one quickly and she still wouldn't be booed, their fans are much more used to the pomp and circumstance, she has that in spades. To be fair, AEW's Women's division wasn't really that great during Jade's tenure. The Joshis were very inconsistently used; Britt Baker was the focal point of the division and she was average at best; by the time Thunder Rosa won the title her body was busted and she was a shadow of her former self; Kris Statlander was in-and-out due to injuries. AEW didn't really have that many top-tier workers, at least not many that were in prominent positions within their Women's division. It's a different environment and expectations than WWE, which has often bragged and gloated about the quality of their Women's division, both on the main roster and NXT.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Apr 7, 2024 13:12:16 GMT -5
they probably will get ugly if she's asked to do things that she hasn't done in her career before but that's basically what i'm saying, it could get that ugly and the wwe crowd wouldn't care. aew is all about the workrate and even they didn't boo her really because it's the same thing then as it is here, she's just a badass. i don't want her anywhere near a title but wwe could give her one quickly and she still wouldn't be booed, their fans are much more used to the pomp and circumstance, she has that in spades. To be fair, AEW's Women's division wasn't really that great during Jade's tenure. The Joshis were very inconsistently used; Britt Baker was the focal point of the division and she was average at best; by the time Thunder Rosa won the title her body was busted and she was a shadow of her former self; Kris Statlander was in-and-out due to injuries. AEW didn't really have that many top-tier workers, at least not many that were in prominent positions within their Women's division. It's a different environment and expectations than WWE, which has often bragged and gloated about the quality of their Women's division, both on the main roster and NXT. you're not wrong, it was a rough time for the AEW women's division but they did make a focus on what you can do in the ring more than WWE does on TV. outside of on TV stuff WWE brags a whole bunch about their women's division and rightfully so, they've got an incredible one now but I do still think AEW was lucky she didn't get more boos near the end. that is such a long reign for someone who was that green. the women's division in AEW may have been pretty bad but they didn't present it that way on TV, they just barely gave it any time and spammed Britt Baker matches. jade still didn't have the crowd completely turn on her and i cannot imagine WWE would ever give her that long of a reign unless she becomes like five times the wrestler she is now. she'll be an attraction and a super popular one
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Post by HMARK Center on Apr 7, 2024 13:55:44 GMT -5
All I can say is that I was never really into her in AEW; I liked her having Mark Sterling as a manager, I'm glad her former Baddies are getting back on track in ROH, and she did have a couple of decent matches while she was there (her last one, putting over Statlander on her way out, was her best).
But I also had to acknowledge that a lot of the crowd still responded to her pretty deep into her run; I was at Full Gear when she defended against Nyla Rose (same show here MJF won the World title off Moxley), and while I wouldn't say she was bringing the house down or anything, she was still getting cheers/reactions.
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