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Post by Rolent Tex on Apr 8, 2024 12:43:25 GMT -5
They’ve been notorious for this for a while. Baron Corbin retired Kurt Angle. How did they book him after that? These things need to mean something.
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Post by Some Guy on Apr 8, 2024 12:50:23 GMT -5
What else does he have to do in the industry other than help elevate newer guys or progress storylines when he’s called on? If all you do is lose every time you show up it's diminishing returns. Mick Foley lost so damned often in his comebacks that beating him meant literally nothing. This is wrong about Foley. His losses to Ric Flair didn't really mean much because well it was Flair, but his losses to Edge and Orton did an absolute shit ton to help their careers after that. Otherwise, he didn't really lose to anyone post retirement.
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Post by celtics543 on Apr 8, 2024 12:58:18 GMT -5
If all you do is lose every time you show up it's diminishing returns. Mick Foley lost so damned often in his comebacks that beating him meant literally nothing. This is wrong about Foley. His losses to Ric Flair didn't really mean much because well it was Flair, but his losses to Edge and Orton did an absolute shit ton to help their careers after that. Otherwise, he didn't really lose to anyone post retirement. But how do you feel when Mick comes out now? Does it feel like a big deal if someone beats him like it does when Taker or Rock get beat? It's just a subtle thing about presentation and somehow they've taken Cena and robbed all of his aura from him. He feels like a big deal but he doesn't feel like a Final Boss, excuse the pun, like he should.
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Post by Nosnorb on Apr 8, 2024 13:14:02 GMT -5
If all you do is lose every time you show up it's diminishing returns. Mick Foley lost so damned often in his comebacks that beating him meant literally nothing. This is wrong about Foley. His losses to Ric Flair didn't really mean much because well it was Flair, but his losses to Edge and Orton did an absolute shit ton to help their careers after that. Otherwise, he didn't really lose to anyone post retirement. Edge was the hottest heel in the company when he cashed in on Cena, and WM22 should have had him take on Big Match John in the main event, dude was absolutely molten. He shouldn't have been facing Foley at 'mania that year, and given that Edge retired early and how battered Foley is, and that match was career shortening, it felt like that match wasn't worth it for a long time after.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Apr 8, 2024 13:18:30 GMT -5
Next thing you know he'll be wearing the next man's sweater.
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Post by GOTHIC CHARISMA 🧊 🥶❄️FURY on Apr 8, 2024 14:13:24 GMT -5
i still have faith this is all leading to one last title win where he starts doubting if he can beat anyone, let alone someone for the title.
seriously f***ing doubt that's what they're doing but it is the only way it makes sense, well besides last night. last night was a moment and makes all the sense in the world, rock has had his number at times.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 8, 2024 14:37:37 GMT -5
Cena said in an interview today that he’s looking to clear his Hollywood schedule after December so that he can have one final run in WWE.
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Post by Nosnorb on Apr 8, 2024 14:49:42 GMT -5
The only thing I'd worry about is Cena winding up in a Mick Foley scenario where he's so intent on putting over new talent that he does it so often and so convincingly that it winds up losing its meaning. And I'm not saying that'd be a bad thing! That's admirable! But even Bryan Danielson, an example used in this thread, gets wins over people before a big loss because it'll put Danielson on a level to match someone. Cena doesn't even do that! Even then, there were no shortage of people (including myself) who were saying that when it came to the big matches, Danielson was losing them so often and so frequently that people were beginning to lose interest in him, and his feud with MJF, which should have been an all time classic with Bryan out for revenge for his fallen mentor Regal, fell flat because we all knew how it was going to end.
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Post by Woo on Apr 8, 2024 15:02:56 GMT -5
I love it. He's finally putting over people so I'm not complaining.
I think him losing to Austin Theory was awesome. I don't think it's the the fault of the match that they botched Theory afterwards. Just like how I still think Jericho losing to Fandango was the correct choice at the time.
I do wish he did sort out his hair however, or shave it off completely, as he looks bad.
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Post by Nosnorb on Apr 8, 2024 15:04:59 GMT -5
I love it. He's finally putting over people so I'm not complaining. I think him losing to Austin Theory was awesome. I don't think it's the the fault of the match that they botched Theory afterwards. Just like how I still think Jericho losing to Fandango was the correct choice at the time. I do wish he did sort out his hair however, or shave it off completely, as he looks bad. Theory was botched beforehand with the worst MitB cash in of all time, he really had no business facing Cena.
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Post by ghost on Apr 8, 2024 15:07:26 GMT -5
"You suck, the crowd doesn't believe in you, and even if you beat me, you still suck" - John Cena to Theory.
"I'm still here because you can't do your job. You can't cut a promo. I can do this better part time than you could ever do this full time". - John Cena to pre-heel turn Roman Reigns.
I'm sure there are more, but Cena losing matches doesn't mean he actually put anyone over.
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Post by Timeless Hayterade on Apr 8, 2024 16:16:54 GMT -5
Next thing you know he'll be wearing the next man's sweater. Here you go.
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Post by eJm on Apr 8, 2024 16:43:31 GMT -5
I don't think it's the fault of the match that they botched Theory afterwards. Well, no, but it does basically bring up the core point; if you’re going to have Cena lose to a guy you want to push in the future, you should have a plan for him going forward. Which, in turn, makes Cena seem less of a star because he’s losing to goobers for no good reason and in turn makes any future match he’s in less meaningful to watch.
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Post by Sparkybob on Apr 8, 2024 16:47:25 GMT -5
I do think it doesn't help that Cena keeps losing, but if Cena entrance music hits as a surprise people will still pop hard so I am not sure if damage is being done shrug.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Apr 8, 2024 18:01:26 GMT -5
For me it's obvious John wants to put guys over at this point but WWE is just f***ing awful at capitalizing on it when he does.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Apr 8, 2024 21:31:47 GMT -5
He wants to help put over talent as opposed to making your current stars seem insignificant in their own storyline. But, at the same time--it's becoming pointless because everyone and their mum can beat Cena now. It doesn't make them look like a beast. It's "ok, you beat a guy who hasn't won for 10 years--so what?" He should really only be losing to people who actually matter. Otherwise, he's going to basically become that time in the 2000s where WWE kept trotting guys like Hacksaw, Superfly, Sergenat Slaughter and Roddy Piper out to lose and nobody gave a toss.
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Post by 4real on Apr 9, 2024 12:54:53 GMT -5
The match on Raw might have been the best use of Cena I’ve seen. So much fun.
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Post by Nosnorb on Apr 9, 2024 14:36:09 GMT -5
The match on Raw might have been the best use of Cena I’ve seen. So much fun. It was heartwarming to see R-Truth finally get to team with his childhood idol.
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Post by kingofthings on Apr 9, 2024 15:04:38 GMT -5
Cena does what every single top guy should do once they enter semi-retirement - put over talent.
If said talent botches their push or indeed creative botch things then that is on them. Cena should, and will, continue to put talent over at every turn, even if a final title run does happen.
He's a 16 time world champ and yet he seems to be without a fragile ego. WWE will take advantage of that whenever they can.
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