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Post by Jindrak Mark on Apr 12, 2024 23:25:11 GMT -5
I could take 1999-2001 Shane McMahon in crazy hardcore/street fight type matches with him using weapons/shortcuts to stay afloat but when he was in regular matches or actually presented as a badass who could go toe to toe with your Kanes and Undertakers in fair fights it was some of the worst shit I've ever seen. Like him being able to take out all of Legacy by himself with his crappy punches. That hell in a cell match at Wrestlemania 32 is my least favorite match of all time. The booking of the match made it seem like they were equal. Shane wasn't running scared and using cheap shots. He was legit having strike exchanges with the Undertaker, kicking out of chokeslams, last rides and only lost because he missed a crazy jump from the top of the cell. And the match went THIRTY minutes. In kayfabe he basically put up a better fight against Taker at Mania than Cena/Bray/HHH/HBK/Punk/Edge/Batista/etc. HATED IT. Like at least Taker didn't look that bad, slow, or embarrass himself.. But speaking of Shane, how did he go from a kayfabe maybe 60/100 ability who even with his dad partnering with him couldn't handle one Stone Cold.. to suddenly being a big badass hanging with nearly anyone. Even Vince at Survivor Series 03 got his ass kicked by a prime deadman Edit Just remembered Shane's nonplussed reaction on raw when his dad told him he was fighting Undertaker. I disliked him as a performer ever since then. I bring this one up as much as I can because it's so ridiculous to me but Survivor Series 2001. It takes finishers from all the faces to put him down and the next night he was supposed to come out selling his back from the damage he took but didn't bother to. And he got the script changed to make himself look cooler/tougher. He was supposed to be dragged out kicking and screaming like Stephanie and Heyman were but ended up taking the defeat like a man and walking out of his own accord.
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Post by yokohamacpfc on Apr 13, 2024 0:10:08 GMT -5
Small wrestlers need to be innovative with their moveset and work at a breakneck pace to get the audience to suspend disbelief, see Riho beating Nyla Rose or Rey beating Kane. One who never bothered with this is Enzo who I think could possibly beat up an elementary school student if they were feeling a bit under the weather but no one any larger.
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Post by Urn Anderson on Apr 13, 2024 4:00:39 GMT -5
Lots of people go for the small guys, but I’m going the other direction.
El Gigante and Great Khali. I cringed every time someone had to sell Khali’s slow-moving boop on the head like death.
Also, when I started watching as a four or five year-old around 1988-89, I absolutely did not understand why Andre was treated as such a threat when all he did was shamble around the ring and get tied up in the ropes. It seemed like the “indestructible” guys like Warrior could completely eat his lunch.Now, he’s one of my favorites after seeing his older work andI totally get it. Those later years are just sad and kind of hard to watch.
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Post by Sephiroth on Apr 13, 2024 6:55:44 GMT -5
Russo. Vince looked credible because he has a Herculean physique, Bischoff looked credible because he is a trained Maryam artist who could grow a decent looking lunch or kick. Russo in WVW was a middle aged, scrawny guy with a lot belly and an annoying voice. He looked absurd taking bumps from guys who could toss him around like a sack of dirt. On top of that, he never let the audience get the pay off of seeing him get trashed.
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Post by SneakMan on Apr 13, 2024 9:19:29 GMT -5
Logan Paul. He's very athletic but I still don’t view him as anything more than a YouTube douche crypto-scammer and a walking, talking piss-break.
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Apr 13, 2024 22:51:37 GMT -5
The Great Khali. He does look like he could beat up anyone. However, he was barely mobile and only had like one good match (against John Cena at One Night Stand 2007). To me, he always looked more like a sideshow attraction than a wrestler.
Kelly Kelly. There were a lot of women during her time who didn't look like credible wrestlers, but she exemplified this. I just never bought that she could take any other woman in a fight. She could have worked if she had been a chicken shit heel who leaned into her Barbie girl look. Hell, she had the perfect name for that: Barbie Blank. I don't know why WWE didn't go with that.
Greg Gagne: For the old school wrestling fans, there's this bean pole. To be fair, he was somewhat decent in the ring; and I understand why Verne kept pushing him (people kept on leaving the AWA, and Verne knew his own son wouldn't abandon him). However, even Verne wouldn't dare put the AWA World Title on him. Though, he did book Greg to beat up Bruiser Brody with a cowboy boot.
George Gulas: Though, Greg Gagne looked like Kerry Von Erich compared to this goober. An even bigger bean pole who looked like he should have been an accountant rather than a wrestler. George was the Worst Nepo Baby in wrestling history mainly because his dad Nick just kept on shoving this guy down fans throats, which ended up killing his promotion.
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Post by tirtefaa on Apr 13, 2024 23:02:31 GMT -5
Zack Gowan. Sorry, but you need two legs to be a credible wrestler. One foot however, is acceptable. It's a shame we lost Kerry Von Erich when we did. Imagine if he had a match with a heel Kurt Angle. Kurt could have the ankle lock on him, be showboating to the crowd while having him in the hold, only for Kerry to tap Kurt on the shoulder, for Kurt to realize he's holding a boot with a prosthetic foot inside. The moment Kurt realizes this, he eats a discus punch.
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Post by King Devitt on Apr 14, 2024 20:45:02 GMT -5
Road Dogg.
Dude walked so Enzo Amore could run (briefly).
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 14, 2024 21:15:48 GMT -5
Trent and Chuck have always just really aggressively struck me as dudes who are perfectly fine at, like, a local indie in front of 200 people but have no business whatsoever being on television. I did kind of start to warm up to them at a point but then I learned what a trashbag Trent is and that was the end of that.
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Post by Psicofreak667 on Apr 14, 2024 21:29:16 GMT -5
Small wrestlers need to be innovative with their moveset and work at a breakneck pace to get the audience to suspend disbelief, see Riho beating Nyla Rose or Rey beating Kane. One who never bothered with this is Enzo who I think could possibly beat up an elementary school student if they were feeling a bit under the weather but no one any larger. Joey Janella.
Quoting you because Enzo may look like he'd struggle to win King of the Playground, but when he and Janella got into that real life bro-down, it looked like a bar/gym bully putting the fear into some random dweeb who only had the misfortune to block their path. Or maybe a fifth grader picking on a preschooler.
Combine that with Janella literally cowering from Enzo, and it's a recipe for never taking Janella seriously again.
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Post by thegatewaydrug on Apr 14, 2024 21:55:32 GMT -5
Christy Hemme. Yeah, she tried, but she just wasn’t meant for the ring. TNA at least put her to the best use possible as a manager/valet and backstage hostess. I'll see your Christy and raise you Eva Marie!
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Post by Sephiroth on Apr 15, 2024 6:56:37 GMT -5
The Great Khali. He does look like he could beat up anyone. However, he was barely mobile and only had like one good match (against John Cena at One Night Stand 2007). To me, he always looked more like a sideshow attraction than a wrestler. Kelly Kelly. There were a lot of women during her time who didn't look like credible wrestlers, but she exemplified this. I just never bought that she could take any other woman in a fight. She could have worked if she had been a chicken shit heel who leaned into her Barbie girl look. Hell, she had the perfect name for that: Barbie Blank. I don't know why WWE didn't go with that. Greg Gagne: For the old school wrestling fans, there's this bean pole. To be fair, he was somewhat decent in the ring; and I understand why Verne kept pushing him (people kept on leaving the AWA, and Verne knew his own son wouldn't abandon him). However, even Verne wouldn't dare put the AWA World Title on him. Though, he did book Greg to beat up Bruiser Brody with a cowboy boot. George Gulas: Though, Greg Gagne looked like Kerry Von Erich compared to this goober. An even bigger bean pole who looked like he should have been an accountant rather than a wrestler. George was the Worst Nepo Baby in wrestling history mainly because his dad Nick just kept on shoving this guy down fans throats, which ended up killing his promotion. Kelly x2’s early wwecw days were pure cringe. An exhibitionist gimmick-and she announces on tv that she wasn’t of legal age yet. Couldn’t I hook her bra. Has a crush on Punk and he treats her more like a nuisance than anything else. Her very jealous boyfriend never gets a blow off match with punk and ends up abandoning her during a mixed tag match. Talk about directionless.
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Post by tafkaga on Apr 15, 2024 10:13:52 GMT -5
The Great Khali. He does look like he could beat up anyone. However, he was barely mobile and only had like one good match (against John Cena at One Night Stand 2007). To me, he always looked more like a sideshow attraction than a wrestler. Kelly Kelly. There were a lot of women during her time who didn't look like credible wrestlers, but she exemplified this. I just never bought that she could take any other woman in a fight. She could have worked if she had been a chicken shit heel who leaned into her Barbie girl look. Hell, she had the perfect name for that: Barbie Blank. I don't know why WWE didn't go with that. Greg Gagne: For the old school wrestling fans, there's this bean pole. To be fair, he was somewhat decent in the ring; and I understand why Verne kept pushing him (people kept on leaving the AWA, and Verne knew his own son wouldn't abandon him). However, even Verne wouldn't dare put the AWA World Title on him. Though, he did book Greg to beat up Bruiser Brody with a cowboy boot. George Gulas: Though, Greg Gagne looked like Kerry Von Erich compared to this goober. An even bigger bean pole who looked like he should have been an accountant rather than a wrestler. George was the Worst Nepo Baby in wrestling history mainly because his dad Nick just kept on shoving this guy down fans throats, which ended up killing his promotion. Kelly x2’s early wwecw days were pure cringe. An exhibitionist gimmick-and she announces on tv that she wasn’t of legal age yet. Couldn’t I hook her bra. Has a crush on Punk and he treats her more like a nuisance than anything else. Her very jealous boyfriend never gets a blow off match with punk and ends up abandoning her during a mixed tag match. Talk about directionless. But the way she ran the ropes...
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Post by James Fabiano on Apr 15, 2024 10:15:14 GMT -5
The only reason Sable became a "wrestler" was because her popularity overshadowed her then husband Marc Mero that they decided to give her a push. I can name two other reasons. I mean, I get it, she was over. But Britney Spears was over too for similar, yet I wouldn't put her over Aretha, etc.
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Post by James Fabiano on Apr 15, 2024 10:18:40 GMT -5
Lots of people go for the small guys, but I’m going the other direction. El Gigante and Great Khali. I cringed every time someone had to sell Khali’s slow-moving boop on the head like death. Also, when I started watching as a four or five year-old around 1988-89, I absolutely did not understand why Andre was treated as such a threat when all he did was shamble around the ring and get tied up in the ropes. It seemed like the “indestructible” guys like Warrior could completely eat his lunch.Now, he’s one of my favorites after seeing his older work andI totally get it. Those later years are just sad and kind of hard to watch. I was the opposite. Because even a slower, older Andre was still booked as a threat. Unless you were a heavy hitter like Hogan or Warrior, you had no chance against him. Maybe you'd get a lucky shot or two (which usually led to him, yes, falling in the ropes) but once he got his footing again, you're doomed. Compare to Big Show or Khali, who'd take other people's offense like they were the typical wrestler.
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Post by James Fabiano on Apr 15, 2024 10:19:17 GMT -5
Small wrestlers need to be innovative with their moveset and work at a breakneck pace to get the audience to suspend disbelief, see Riho beating Nyla Rose or Rey beating Kane. One who never bothered with this is Enzo who I think could possibly beat up an elementary school student if they were feeling a bit under the weather but no one any larger. Joey Janella. Quoting you because Enzo may look like he'd struggle to win King of the Playground, but when he and Janella got into that real life bro-down, it looked like a bar/gym bully putting the fear into some random dweeb who only had the misfortune to block their path. Or maybe a fifth grader picking on a preschooler.
Combine that with Janella literally cowering from Enzo, and it's a recipe for never taking Janella seriously again. Me too. Course I don't take legit a-holes seriously to begin with, but another story for another place.
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Post by James Fabiano on Apr 15, 2024 10:20:42 GMT -5
Bill Alfonso in his ECW heyday.
He was an annoying, skinny (ex-)ref, yet he still could hang with other guys, even the "big" boys. I remember him taking out both Public Enemy members with a chair! All due respect, but it was hard for me to buy.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Apr 15, 2024 10:30:13 GMT -5
Eddie Kingston and Kevin Owens they just look like jerks you would see starting crap at the bar. Nick Wayne looks child. I’m no tough guy but I feel wrestlers should have a larger than life look to them. Not someone I wouldn’t back down from in a fight. There's no shortage of bouncers at bars who look just like Kevin or Eddie who would mess most people up in a fight and in fact do on a nightly basis. I have no problem buying either of them as wrestlers. Owens I could buy knowing a bunch of moves. Eddie don't see as a guy who would know a bunch of moves. I do however 100% believe would beat the shit out of you, then piss on you, and you could do nothing to stop it.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Apr 15, 2024 11:10:28 GMT -5
George Gulas: Though, Greg Gagne looked like Kerry Von Erich compared to this goober. An even bigger bean pole who looked like he should have been an accountant rather than a wrestler. George was the Worst Nepo Baby in wrestling history mainly because his dad Nick just kept on shoving this guy down fans throats, which ended up killing his promotion. Everyone quotes the “Daddy said you have to sell,” story (understandably so), but my favorite is when he was riding to a show and the guys pulled off at a rest stop to eat bologna sandwiches because that’s all they could afford with what Nick paid them. George got on the pay phone to his dad to say, “We’re having a picnic, daddy!” Anyone who has seen Smoky and the Bandit, I’m convinced that George Gulas and Junior are the same person.
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Apr 15, 2024 11:51:47 GMT -5
George Gulas: Though, Greg Gagne looked like Kerry Von Erich compared to this goober. An even bigger bean pole who looked like he should have been an accountant rather than a wrestler. George was the Worst Nepo Baby in wrestling history mainly because his dad Nick just kept on shoving this guy down fans throats, which ended up killing his promotion. Everyone quotes the “Daddy said you have to sell,” story (understandably so), but my favorite is when he was riding to a show and the guys pulled off at a rest stop to eat bologna sandwiches because that’s all they could afford with what Nick paid them. George got on the pay phone to his dad to say, “We’re having a picnic, daddy!” Anyone who has seen Smoky and the Bandit, I’m convinced that George Gulas and Junior are the same person. My favorite George Gulas story is when he got arrested for soliciting an undercover cop TWICE!!!!
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