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Post by AwamoriRock on Apr 19, 2024 20:34:06 GMT -5
Lookin forward to watching all the ACTWREZ girls but especially two in particular. Misa Matsui who is basically the AZM/SLK of this lot as far as in ring goes and that is just my jam with any female talent especially Joshi. But also KOUKI just to watch her throwdown with Utami. Kouki is awesome. Honestly AWG has been fantastic for a while and all the girls that joined, including Showzuki’s journey from stardom to there to here x.com/sadjabroni/status/1597710882326614018?s=46Are really good. My hope is that Marigold works with Sead because you then you have it all. (My hope is Nakajima has no issue with Rossy and only Stardom, apparently Taiyou is totally fine with Rossy so that helps)
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Post by The Legendary Ring Troll {BLM} on Apr 20, 2024 2:41:09 GMT -5
Omega’s comments on Rossy…. Wow. Said a lot without saying much.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Apr 20, 2024 3:22:23 GMT -5
Sareee was already the wrestler of the year for me but Mayu and Giulia back to back are going to put her over the top lol
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Apr 20, 2024 5:49:48 GMT -5
Yeah I think any possible interest in this is being overridden by Kenny pointing out they sold underage bikini calendars. What in the ENTIRE hell?
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Post by Harry The Arrow was Wrong! on Apr 20, 2024 5:58:02 GMT -5
Yeah I think any possible interest in this is being overridden by Kenny pointing out they sold underage bikini calendars. What in the ENTIRE hell? And basically insinuating he's done worse than that. Like good f***ing god.
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Post by lucas_lee on Apr 20, 2024 6:41:49 GMT -5
I don't know if any of that is true. But Kana hated him for those kind of reasons
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2024 6:44:57 GMT -5
I am just going to say f*** Kenny.
Sorry to anyone who is his fan this is nothing against any of them but he is doing nothing but stirring up trouble with completely baseless accusations like Kenny if you f***ing know shit and want to help people quit with the vague bullshit and say it otherwise you are just talking out your ass....and also making these claims coming from the guy who claimed he did not know about Chaysn.
and then you got the lets just say riders coming outta the f***ing woodwork that have no f***ing clue what they are talking about whether about Rossy or Joshi general but as long as it is some attempt at attacking Rossy for spurring AEW...and lets be honest this is the fandom it is mostly if not completely coming from and I do not mean anyone around here I mean on the R and X places.
And then you got the clip that those same riders are circling around a clip from an old docuseries trying to attack Rossy with where he talks about AZM looking too adult...way to 1 not show the entire clip and not understand the actual context good job guys.
And then there is the other footage of him with the Syuri Gravure book and people claiming he is a sex pest....again context is important and not knowing or just not caring because Rossy spurred AEW he must now be ruined at all costs but most if not all of the stuff in his home was donated/given to him by women on the STARDOM roster.
Sorry I just wanted to get that off my chest Kenny throwing out baseless f***ing shit like that just pissed me off because that goes way beyond gravure books and putting the underage girls in bikini photobooks....if that was KENNY's sole issue he I would completely be on his side but that goes beyond even just Joshi that is a cultural problem and from what I learned listening to Karen Peterson from POST wrestling who did IMO a really good job talking about this stuff like a few days ago it has improved from what it was but there is still a long way to go in change that culture...and it really does steam from the age of concent in the country.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2024 6:46:43 GMT -5
I don't know if any of that is true. But Kana hated him for those kind of reasons This is a big misconception that even I had. Her issues are not really with Rossy (she took photos with him at Mania) her issues are with just the Joshi culture (and she has admited she is not aware of what it is like nowdays since she has not kept up with it since coming to WWE) but the bulk of her issues are with NaeNae Takahashi.
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Post by raymondo316 on Apr 20, 2024 6:46:47 GMT -5
Theres a picture of Asuka standing next to Rossy at Mania weekend, and she looked like she didn't want to be anywhere near him.
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Post by mistery on Apr 20, 2024 7:56:56 GMT -5
Yeah I think any possible interest in this is being overridden by Kenny pointing out they sold underage bikini calendars. What in the ENTIRE hell? This wasn't unique to STARDOM or any Rossy run promotion, for what its worth. Which it's still bad, don't get me wrong. But that's just Japanese culture in a nutshell. Especially the idol industry. Where underage swimsuit calendars and photobooks are the norm there. Karen (a lady who has spent a lot of time in Japan and was on Wrestlenomics's podcast on POST about Marigold talked about it), said that girls over there do this stuff in all fields where they can be viewed as celebrities, not just wrestling. In fact, it's arguably even worse on the idol side of things, as a lot of these idols end up doing gravure stuff at some point as well, even while still underage. And that's infinitely worse than photobooks.
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Post by mistery on Apr 20, 2024 8:42:22 GMT -5
Double posting because Sonny (the English STARDOM twitter guy) posted a response to this entire debacle on the F4W boards:
So uh yeah. It's not a good response in terms of professionalism (But no one expects that from Sonny), but also everything he says lines up with what has been reported. If Rossy was as intensely disliked/seedy as Kenny claims he is, then it would fly in the reports of what literally every media outlet covering Rossy's termination from STARDOM and what even former and current STARDOM talents have been saying.
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Post by Fake Jesus on Apr 20, 2024 9:33:06 GMT -5
I'm not sure 'he's popular' is a major argument either way. Like it is probably the single worst – and most idiotic – defence you could muster for someone accused of being a creep. I literally have no stakes in this but the defence appears to boil down to 'it's a different culture + the former kids and those profiting off their kids support him', which in Japan of all places is very uh.
All I'm going to say is that if you're putting underage girls in bikini mags you're either a pedophile or completely comfortable marketing to pedophiles, and anyone trying to defend that is in a weird place. Huge swathes of the Japanese idol industry is explicitly based around marketing to a large number of pedophiles.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Apr 20, 2024 9:39:44 GMT -5
I'm not sure 'he's popular' is a major argument either way. Like it is probably the single worst – and most idiotic – defence you could muster for someone accused of being a creep. I literally have no stakes in this but the defence appears to boil down to 'it's a different culture + the former kids and those profiting off their kids support him', which in Japan of all places is very uh. All I'm going to say is that if you're putting underage girls in bikini mags you're either a pedophile or completely comfortable marketing to pedophiles, and anyone trying to defend that is in a weird place. Huge swathes of the Japanese idol industry is explicitly based around marketing to a large number of pedophiles.
Yeah, I mean people are litigating the complicated feelings and factors in people with big Hollywood clout still being in touch with Vince because he made their careers, and Vince is accused of shit on scales of magnitude worse than Rossy has even been in the room with. Him having support is not an argument one way or anothjer against Kenny's words.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 20, 2024 10:12:45 GMT -5
I am just going to say f*** Kenny. Sorry to anyone who is his fan this is nothing against any of them but he is doing nothing but stirring up trouble with completely baseless accusations like Kenny if you f***ing know shit and want to help people quit with the vague bullshit and say it otherwise you are just talking out your ass....and also making these claims coming from the guy who claimed he did not know about Chaysn. and then you got the lets just say riders coming outta the f***ing woodwork that have no f***ing clue what they are talking about whether about Rossy or Joshi general but as long as it is some attempt at attacking Rossy for spurring AEW...and lets be honest this is the fandom it is mostly if not completely coming from and I do not mean anyone around here I mean on the R and X places. And then you got the clip that those same riders are circling around a clip from an old docuseries trying to attack Rossy with where he talks about AZM looking too adult...way to 1 not show the entire clip and not understand the actual context good job guys. And then there is the other footage of him with the Syuri Gravure book and people claiming he is a sex pest....again context is important and not knowing or just not caring because Rossy spurred AEW he must now be ruined at all costs but most if not all of the stuff in his home was donated/given to him by women on the STARDOM roster. Sorry I just wanted to get that off my chest Kenny throwing out baseless f***ing shit like that just pissed me off because that goes way beyond gravure books and putting the underage girls in bikini photobooks....if that was KENNY's sole issue he I would completely be on his side but that goes beyond even just Joshi that is a cultural problem and from what I learned listening to Karen Peterson from POST wrestling who did IMO a really good job talking about this stuff like a few days ago it has improved from what it was but there is still a long way to go in change that culture...and it really does steam from the age of concent in the country. I mean it’s probably NOT baseless, and I trust Kenny and Asuka more than a shady promoter so hopefully more comes out if what Kenny insinuated is all true.
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Post by mistery on Apr 20, 2024 11:15:56 GMT -5
I am just going to say f*** Kenny. Sorry to anyone who is his fan this is nothing against any of them but he is doing nothing but stirring up trouble with completely baseless accusations like Kenny if you f***ing know shit and want to help people quit with the vague bullshit and say it otherwise you are just talking out your ass....and also making these claims coming from the guy who claimed he did not know about Chaysn. and then you got the lets just say riders coming outta the f***ing woodwork that have no f***ing clue what they are talking about whether about Rossy or Joshi general but as long as it is some attempt at attacking Rossy for spurring AEW...and lets be honest this is the fandom it is mostly if not completely coming from and I do not mean anyone around here I mean on the R and X places. And then you got the clip that those same riders are circling around a clip from an old docuseries trying to attack Rossy with where he talks about AZM looking too adult...way to 1 not show the entire clip and not understand the actual context good job guys. And then there is the other footage of him with the Syuri Gravure book and people claiming he is a sex pest....again context is important and not knowing or just not caring because Rossy spurred AEW he must now be ruined at all costs but most if not all of the stuff in his home was donated/given to him by women on the STARDOM roster. Sorry I just wanted to get that off my chest Kenny throwing out baseless f***ing shit like that just pissed me off because that goes way beyond gravure books and putting the underage girls in bikini photobooks....if that was KENNY's sole issue he I would completely be on his side but that goes beyond even just Joshi that is a cultural problem and from what I learned listening to Karen Peterson from POST wrestling who did IMO a really good job talking about this stuff like a few days ago it has improved from what it was but there is still a long way to go in change that culture...and it really does steam from the age of concent in the country. I mean it’s probably NOT baseless, and I trust Kenny and Asuka more than a shady promoter so hopefully more comes out if what Kenny insinuated is all true. Asuka has never actually trashed Ogawa. She has beef with Nanae moreso than Ogawa. And I seriously doubt she appreciates her name being brought into this either.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 20, 2024 11:21:20 GMT -5
I mean it’s probably NOT baseless, and I trust Kenny and Asuka more than a shady promoter so hopefully more comes out if what Kenny insinuated is all true. Asuka has never actually trashed Ogawa. She has beef with Nanae moreso than Ogawa. And I seriously doubt she appreciates her name being brought into this either. Publicly she hasn’t trashed him maybe. But seems like she’s spoken with Omega, if what he’s saying is accurate.
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Post by ace on Apr 20, 2024 11:27:06 GMT -5
Asuka has never actually trashed Ogawa. She has beef with Nanae moreso than Ogawa. And I seriously doubt she appreciates her name being brought into this either. Publicly she hasn’t trashed him maybe. But seems like she’s spoken with Omega, if what he’s saying is accurate. Seems if second hand sounds air tight. Grab your pitchforks. Did no one ever second hand tell him what his buddy Marty was actually doing to underage girls?
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 20, 2024 11:28:11 GMT -5
Publicly she hasn’t trashed him maybe. But seems like she’s spoken with Omega, if what he’s saying is accurate. Seems if second hand sounds air tight. Grab your pitchforks. Did no one ever second hand tell him what his buddy Marty was actually doing to underage girls? If those involved spoke directly to Omega, that’s a first hand account.
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Post by mistery on Apr 20, 2024 11:41:55 GMT -5
Asuka has never actually trashed Ogawa. She has beef with Nanae moreso than Ogawa. And I seriously doubt she appreciates her name being brought into this either. Publicly she hasn’t trashed him maybe. But seems like she’s spoken with Omega, if what he’s saying is accurate. I doubt Asuka knows anymore than what we do. She openly said in her last rant against STARDOM last year that she has no idea what is going on as she doesn't follow the promotion or Rossy at all. Asuka's issues were almost entirely with Nanae at the time when she had that falling out, and she hasn't had any interaction with them since. And while Rossy is absolutely a carny (which isn't unique to the industry), Kenny throwing out incredibly irresponsible remarks like he did helps no one. The fact that both former and current STARDOM talent went to visit him the week after he was fired from STARDOM to pay their respects among other things, tells me a lot more than a wrestler who spouted off on a random Twitch stream who put out very baseless speculation.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 20, 2024 11:52:15 GMT -5
Publicly she hasn’t trashed him maybe. But seems like she’s spoken with Omega, if what he’s saying is accurate. I doubt Asuka knows anymore than what we do. She openly said in her last rant against STARDOM last year that she has no idea what is going on as she doesn't follow the promotion or Rossy at all. Asuka's issues were almost entirely with Nanae at the time when she had that falling out, and she hasn't had any interaction with them since. And while Rossy is absolutely a carny (which isn't unique to the industry), Kenny throwing out incredibly irresponsible remarks like he did helps no one. The fact that both former and current STARDOM talent went to visit him the week after he was fired from STARDOM to pay their respects among other things, tells me a lot more than a wrestler who spouted off on a random Twitch stream who put out very baseless speculation. I don’t know, this isn’t random speculation from a carny wrestler or promoter like a Cornette. I’d put a lot of weight into what someone like Omega says. And again, Rossy being popular with other wrestlers means nothing.
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