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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 20, 2024 11:54:28 GMT -5
Larry Nassar was very well liked by a lot of gymnasts for being so nice and bringing them treats and such when everyone else was very spartan about training.
I'm sorry, but such character defenses do literally nothing to dissolve what Kenny said. It's unfortunately a reality of life.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 20, 2024 12:02:00 GMT -5
I don't think anyone is saying Rossy is a monster on the same level as Vince McMahon, but god, Japanese idol culture is so gross.
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Post by mistery on Apr 20, 2024 12:06:35 GMT -5
I don't think anyone is saying Rossy is a monster on the same level as Vince McMahon, but god, Japanese idol culture is so gross. I don't think you'll find anyone who disagrees with that, but people are disagreeing with Omega making much darker claims than just "Japanese Idol Culture" either, and refusing to elaborate. While there are significantly more women willing to vouch for Rossy, while no one has made any negative remarks about him. The closest thing to a negative remark I've seen regarding him from a former STARDOM wrestler was Kris Wolf, who said he was 100% in it for the business, but she still likes him anyways, enough to go out to Japan to visit him. --- In non Rossy news, Giulia seems to be the head trainer for Marigold. She led the first training session this morning: www.tokyo-sports.co.jp/articles/-/299705?page=1
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 20, 2024 12:22:58 GMT -5
I don't think anyone is saying Rossy is a monster on the same level as Vince McMahon, but god, Japanese idol culture is so gross. I don't think you'll find anyone who disagrees with that, but people are disagreeing with Omega making much darker claims than just "Japanese Idol Culture" either, and refusing to elaborate. While there are significantly more women willing to vouch for Rossy, while no one has made any negative remarks about him. The closest thing to a negative remark I've seen regarding him from a former STARDOM wrestler was Kris Wolf, who said he was 100% in it for the business, but she still likes him anyways, enough to go out to Japan to visit him. --- In non Rossy news, Giulia seems to be the head trainer for Marigold. She led the first training session this morning: www.tokyo-sports.co.jp/articles/-/299705?page=1I understand people being frustrated or upset, but as much as I get the dislike for cryptic comments, I'd dislike more if he told others' stories without their explicit permission to do so, especially because even had he remained vague, it'd likely bring heat on the women if people could parse details or ones who would be collateral damage due to mistaken identity. This sucks, but it's a really bad position to be put in. For me, I know a very popular wrestler was macking on 17 year olds well into his twenties and creeping them out, but I can't really get even an iota more specific than that, so I just have to keep my mouth shut. It gets difficult, though, just as I am sure it's a shitty position to be put in for Kenny Omega when he tends to love to shout out all the cool stuff happening with joshi wrestling, and he's thus going to get asked about all of this.
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Post by KME on Apr 20, 2024 13:01:46 GMT -5
"But look how popular he is" is a staggeringly bad defence of someone. Whether the guy's done anything or not (and I have no idea, nor does anyone else on here, and don't necessarily think it's wise of Kenny to go public with this) the whole reason people get away with shit like this is because they appear nice, because lots of people like and respect them. Someone who isn't well liked would have absolutely no chance of manipulating people and of getting away with their crimes for a long time. I mean for f***s sake look how many people have talked up how great Vince is over the years, how utterly loyal so many were to him (and probably would be again given the chance). Yes there were more rumours about him than I'd guess Rossy will ever have but almost every major star in the business in the US for a long time ended up working for him regardless and most had good things to say. It's just not a legit thing to try and defend anyone with really.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 20, 2024 13:19:24 GMT -5
"But look how popular he is" is a staggeringly bad defence of someone. Whether the guy's done anything or not (and I have no idea, nor does anyone else on here, and don't necessarily think it's wise of Kenny to go public with this) the whole reason people get away with shit like this is because they appear nice, because lots of people like and respect them. Someone who isn't well liked would have absolutely no chance of manipulating people and of getting away with their crimes for a long time. I mean for f***s sake look how many people have talked up how great Vince is over the years, how utterly loyal so many were to him (and probably would be again given the chance). Wise up ffs. Yeah, I agree Kenny probably shouldn't have said that and should try to put a filter on while streaming video games. It's not his story to tell unless he's seen it firsthand. But reading what he actually said, I think he's heard some pretty nasty stuff from people he trusts. People who would have firsthand knowledge of this stuff beyond rumor and innuendo. I don't think this is a repeat of Nick Hausman trying to crowdsource dirt on Chris Jericho. What that is? No idea. But abusers in high places of power are often really good at manipulation and covering their tracks. And "he books a good wrestle and people like him" isn't an airtight defense.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Apr 20, 2024 13:20:32 GMT -5
I haven't seen Kenny's statements in here os in the interest of getting the cards on the table of what's actually said so we're not litigating weird niche points like if he's actually getting this information from people close to the situation:
Kenny's not some idle gossip hound joshi appreciator here getting secondhand juice from random sources.
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Post by lockedontarget on Apr 20, 2024 13:43:45 GMT -5
I am just going to say f*** Kenny. Sorry to anyone who is his fan this is nothing against any of them but he is doing nothing but stirring up trouble with completely baseless accusations like Kenny if you f***ing know shit and want to help people quit with the vague bullshit and say it otherwise you are just talking out your ass....and also making these claims coming from the guy who claimed he did not know about Chaysn. and then you got the lets just say riders coming outta the f***ing woodwork that have no f***ing clue what they are talking about whether about Rossy or Joshi general but as long as it is some attempt at attacking Rossy for spurring AEW...and lets be honest this is the fandom it is mostly if not completely coming from and I do not mean anyone around here I mean on the R and X places. And then you got the clip that those same riders are circling around a clip from an old docuseries trying to attack Rossy with where he talks about AZM looking too adult...way to 1 not show the entire clip and not understand the actual context good job guys. And then there is the other footage of him with the Syuri Gravure book and people claiming he is a sex pest....again context is important and not knowing or just not caring because Rossy spurred AEW he must now be ruined at all costs but most if not all of the stuff in his home was donated/given to him by women on the STARDOM roster. Sorry I just wanted to get that off my chest Kenny throwing out baseless f***ing shit like that just pissed me off because that goes way beyond gravure books and putting the underage girls in bikini photobooks....if that was KENNY's sole issue he I would completely be on his side but that goes beyond even just Joshi that is a cultural problem and from what I learned listening to Karen Peterson from POST wrestling who did IMO a really good job talking about this stuff like a few days ago it has improved from what it was but there is still a long way to go in change that culture...and it really does steam from the age of concent in the country. Nah, Kenny speaking up means a lot and to write it off as him stanning for AEW because Rossy wouldn’t work well with Tony is approaching this in pretty bad faith. Kenny won’t shittalk people who have done more harm to AEW like Punk or Cornette. If he is warning us about Rossy, then he is actually concerned. Consider that Kenny knows way more about wrestling in Japan than you do, has a lot of connections in the pure and joshi world, and cares about it. You should take what he has to say very seriously.
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Post by XIII on Apr 20, 2024 15:12:35 GMT -5
I’ll just say that I believe that Kenny Omega-a guy that spent years in Japan and knows the ins and outs of the entire wrestling scene there-100% knows more than anyone posting in this thread.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2024 16:08:16 GMT -5
I am going to say one last thing in this thread about this...if you feel the need to wanna challenge my stance feel free to message me as I will not be saying anything more about it in this thread after this and I cannot guarantee I will respond to you but I will read whatever you send and that will be that because I want this thread to focus on actual positive discussion about what to look forward to from this company.
If you want to believe Kenny that is no issue with me , as for me my stance is not changing on this untill Kenny can provide definitive undoubtable proof that Rossy Ogawa in any way sexually assaulted any under age girl in any sexual manner whatsoever that makes him a pedophile.
And no a bikini photobook does not to me make the man a pedophile (especially when said photobooks are and have been for yearsand years public knowledge and plenty of women have worked for and continue to praise Rossy) which is what Kenny basically said about the man with no actual evidence to this baseless claim and honestly frankly if we were to just outright side with Kenny here that he is infact a pedo using that photobook as evidence then we better cast a wide f***ing net over alot of Japan in general because that is where that claim steers us right into.
Again if you want to side with Kenny that is no issue with me but my stance is my stance if you have an issue with it again you can message me but I ask that this be the end of this in this thread thank you.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 20, 2024 16:26:43 GMT -5
I haven't seen Kenny's statements in here os in the interest of getting the cards on the table of what's actually said so we're not litigating weird niche points like if he's actually getting this information from people close to the situation: Kenny's not some idle gossip hound joshi appreciator here getting secondhand juice from random sources. Exactly and trying to frame it that way seems like an attempt to stick your fingers in your ears and not wanting to believe something because you’re excited about Rossy’s new promotion.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2024 17:29:22 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2024 17:29:59 GMT -5
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Post by yokohamacpfc on Apr 20, 2024 18:20:57 GMT -5
I always assumed Rossy was openly gay coz having a straight man in his 60s as the public face of a promotion that only employs young women and is heavily influenced by the dodgy idol industry is just asking for trouble. Even if Rossy is the sweetest and most innocent old man in the world who wouldn't dream of abusing his position you'd want him very much as a silent boss and to put a woman or a younger man with a very clean public image (preferably an ex-worker) as the public face because wagging tongues and innuendo is going to happen regardless of whether or not he's a wholesome father figure mentor or a dirty old man.
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Post by callmekc on Apr 20, 2024 18:31:58 GMT -5
Eh, if someone wants to invalidate Kenny's credentials as "man who doesn't stand creeps" it's to point out that he's friends with BritWres' most famous nonce.
I don't know if Rossy is a creep/predator. I do think Kenny is not the best person to be the face of criticism of him.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Apr 20, 2024 19:25:32 GMT -5
Long winded way to say Shida doesn’t like Rossy which was known for a while Kenny lol
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 20, 2024 19:43:54 GMT -5
Eh, if someone wants to invalidate Kenny's credentials as "man who doesn't stand creeps" it's to point out that he's friends with BritWres' most famous nonce. I don't know if Rossy is a creep/predator. I do think Kenny is not the best person to be the face of criticism of him. If he’s still friends with Scurll, that just means Omega would be somewhat hypocritical, but it wouldn’t make his claims less credible.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Apr 20, 2024 20:13:53 GMT -5
Asuka Rossy beef has been vastly overstated. As said above, her issues are with Nanae and she doesn’t like Stardom itself, but not necessarily Rossy (they’ve been amicable but I doubt she’s a giant fan given he’s all about Nanae) She has good friends there like Syuri but in general is a bit of a self-imposed pariah with the joshi “community” and that kinda seems to work for her. I think a lot of it is an act though, just my hunch.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Apr 20, 2024 20:40:06 GMT -5
On the one hand, it's ALWAYS a bad look to doubt when a man is being accused.
On the other, I still kind of want more claims to come out before I go "fire in the eyes and out for blood".
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Post by froggyfrog on Apr 20, 2024 23:11:22 GMT -5
Hard to take someone too seriously when they claim to know about something really bad, but then don’t do anything to stop it or make it public so someone can stop it. If it’s not his story to tell, then don’t half put something out there at all imo. Not even in defense of Rossy more of a shit or get off the pot thing
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