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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Apr 17, 2024 15:02:29 GMT -5
'Friends' was never funny and was never as popular as you think. (You can also Replace Friends with Big Bang Theory) That’s a dumb one. I never thought Seinfeld was nearly that funny but there’s a reason Dharma & Greg had an episode where they thought they could live out a fantasy of having sex in public and get away with it as long as they did it while Seinfeld’s finale aired. Even if I didn’t care about the show I understood that it was wildly popular and never claimed otherwise. Guess what? 2 & 1/2 Men was pretty funny for a spell and Charlie Sheen was a good comedic actor. I don’t think he is now, but he was.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Apr 18, 2024 0:07:11 GMT -5
Here's one: Pac-Man 2600. Yes by now we know what a letdown it was. But how many of us still played and enjoyed it back in the day? That was what 83 when it came out for the 2600?I was 8 or 9 when it came out played it a bit for a week and went back to other games. Most people I knew older than me hated it. Oddly ET wasn't hated in my area. Once everyone learned READ THE INSTRUCTIONS it aint that bad a game. Ewoks are one where depending on your age when they came out if they are hated or not. I was old enough I kind of realized they were there for merch reasons and wasn't a fan.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Apr 18, 2024 0:10:53 GMT -5
On the Scrappy doo thing. Again I was 7 or 8 when Scooby hit Daily syndication in my area. And we got a mixture of every season/show of Scooby that was out.
Could tell when a Scrappy episode was airing. Instead of everybody was inside at 330 after school to watch Scooby you would see everyone outside playing an half hour earlier.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 18, 2024 5:21:11 GMT -5
On that note, the first TMNT game for NES. That one's a two-fer. The Internet: "The first NES Turtles game sucked. They should have ported the arcade game first." Reality: The NES game is a pretty ambitious and well-executed game, albeit a punishing one, and pre-dated the arcade game by several months. also the dam level is not nearly as hard as people make it out to be. It's not easy by any stretch but it's not impossible... Here's one: Pac-Man 2600. Yes by now we know what a letdown it was. But how many of us still played and enjoyed it back in the day? That was what 83 when it came out for the 2600?I was 8 or 9 when it came out played it a bit for a week and went back to other games. Most people I knew older than me hated it. Oddly ET wasn't hated in my area. Once everyone learned READ THE INSTRUCTIONS it aint that bad a game. It was still a terrible game, it's not at all the worst game ever made (especially with how quickly it was slapped together) but it's not at all what I would call good in any capacity. Yes, I played it growing up and yes I read the instructions. Pac-man 2600 big issues were besides there being better pac-man clones on the system already. Someone in Atari had the genius idea to print more cartridges than there were systems to play it on.
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Post by thechase on Apr 18, 2024 6:45:12 GMT -5
On the Scrappy doo thing. Again I was 7 or 8 when Scooby hit Daily syndication in my area. And we got a mixture of every season/show of Scooby that was out. Could tell when a Scrappy episode was airing. Instead of everybody was inside at 330 after school to watch Scooby you would see everyone outside playing an half hour earlier. I hated the Scrappies where it was just him, Scoob and Shaggy...but once they brought back Daphne, I probably had my best time as a SD fan, and I really miss that era to this day.
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Post by tirtefaa on Apr 18, 2024 9:23:11 GMT -5
Glad Rocky V is getting some love. I never knew why it was hated, although I somehow always missed the first 15 minutes of the movie, which apparently is the big reason why a lot of people hate it. Judging by the Internet no human being has ever ate at McDonald’s since 1967 This one is funny for so many reasons, especially whenever someone complains it "isn't food" and if you push them on it, they will always give you some general answer about how they make everything from scratch. Sure, guy. Then The Founder came out, and a lot of people took that movie as gospel. Unfortunately, it makes a lot of glaring errors and has an obvious agenda to paint Ray Kroc in the worst way possible. The truth is that Mac and Dick McDonald were overpaid for their company in 1961. There was nothing of significance to what McDonald's had, since their "Speedy System" had been in place with White Castle since the 1920's. The brothers didn't even trademark their company until the year they sold it! In reality, the brothers weren't business savvy, refused to run their company in favor of just wanting to run their San Bernardino restaurant, did not maintain quality across locations and didn't even document things properly. They also had a tendency to say something one day, then change their mind the next. For example, they would mention retiring, but then they wanted to open a series of motels, but then they would say they wanted to open a new restaurant. So when it came time to sell their company (they had mentioned wanting to retire for years since Mac was in poor health), Kroc approached them, and they wanted $ 1.3 million each, in cash. Keep in mind, this was 1961 and McDonald's didn't have the kind of money to pay that out since every dime was being used to expand the business (under Kroc's leadership), so Kroc had Harry Sonneborn broker a deal with 4 companies to provide the money to pay the brothers. This loan that had interest attached to it from the companies took 11 years to pay back, so it wasn't an easy ride. Oh and the handshake royalty? Never happened. The reason I'm willing to believe it never happened is because the brothers already had a franchise fee that acted as a royalty in place, so Kroc would have been a complete moron to agree to that stipulation. McDonald's had roughly 200 restaurants at this point, so the belief that it was some closed door private affair with no one present is silly. And no one ever mentioned a handshake royalty. Dick McDonald lived till 1998, and never uttered a handshake royalty once. The story came about years after Dick's death from a distant nephew, with zero credibility. Now, was Ray Kroc a saint? Absolutely not. He was a hotheaded alcoholic who neglected his family in favor of focusing on his business. But there is no evidence whatsoever that shows he committed any wrongdoing to the McDonald brothers. You could argue that he didn't need to open a McDonald's in San Bernardino after buying the company, but Kroc needed that revenue since San Bernardino had a built in audience already, but he didn't open a restaurant across the street, it was a block away, and the brothers almost nuked the deal at the end when they mentioned they wanted to keep their restaurant at the last second. In fact, without Kroc, the brothers would have never become millionaires, and McDonald's would have likely died out like the dozens of other local burger chains did during the 1960's and 1970's. On that note, the first TMNT game for NES. That one's a two-fer. The Internet: "The first NES Turtles game sucked. They should have ported the arcade game first." Reality: The NES game is a pretty ambitious and well-executed game, albeit a punishing one, and pre-dated the arcade game by several months. The first TMNT game is my favorite. While it is certainly difficult, it's not impossible. There is a learning curve and you are required to practice certain areas in order to get better. This was a standard with a lot of games back then, you didn't beat it in a day or a week, it might take you a month, but you got good. Again, knowing what to do helps; Leo is your main attacker, Mike handles low to the ground enemies, Don is there for hard to get enemies and bosses, and Raph is there to absorb damage whenever possible. There's multiple areas where you can refill your health, and ALWAYS max out your scroll weapon with each turtle. The dam is actually the easiest part of the game other than the first level.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Apr 18, 2024 10:13:56 GMT -5
The first TMNT game was fine. Kind of fun even. It was Nintendo Hard though, but even then not nearly as hard as some other games (Street Fighter 2010 messed me up). Having said that, if I was going to take the time to git gud on a game, there were so many that held my interest better, including the arcade beat’em-up game. It was so good when that got a Nintendo port. The TMNT beat’em-ups was a game series that even my dad loved to play with us.
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Post by fw91 on Apr 18, 2024 11:10:00 GMT -5
I think Rocky V gets hate because of the unrealistic decline of the family’s affairs? Why did Pauly have power of attorney? How did the super rich Balboas really go back into poverty? Seems unrealistic. How he ended up in Balboa made a lot more sense. Not the super rich guy he was in 3 and IV, but it was a lot more reasonable to believe he could use his celebrity status to build a stable and successful life through owning the restaurant.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Apr 18, 2024 11:16:11 GMT -5
I think Rocky V gets hate because of the unrealistic decline of the family’s affairs? Why did Pauly have power of attorney? How did the super rich Balboas really go back into poverty? Seems unrealistic. The idea that Adrian was cool with giving her idiot brother, who was likely an alcoholic, control of their fortunes is a leap that always bothered me from the jump
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Post by Gunhaver on Apr 18, 2024 11:51:22 GMT -5
Here's one: Pac-Man 2600. Yes by now we know what a letdown it was. But how many of us still played and enjoyed it back in the day? That was what 83 when it came out for the 2600?I was 8 or 9 when it came out played it a bit for a week and went back to other games. Most people I knew older than me hated it. Oddly ET wasn't hated in my area. Once everyone learned READ THE INSTRUCTIONS it aint that bad a game. Ewoks are one where depending on your age when they came out if they are hated or not. I was old enough I kind of realized they were there for merch reasons and wasn't a fan. I played ET when I was a kid. Never had the manual, never knew what I was doing, thought it was fun all the same. We had Pac-Man 2600 alongside Ms. Pac-Man on the Atari. Again, thought it was fine. Helps that I didn't grow up with the original, I suppose, but mechanically it didn't bug me. It was ugly as sin, but that's the 2600 in a nutshell.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 18, 2024 12:43:41 GMT -5
I think Rocky V gets hate because of the unrealistic decline of the family’s affairs? Why did Pauly have power of attorney? How did the super rich Balboas really go back into poverty? Seems unrealistic. How he ended up in Balboa made a lot more sense. Not the super rich guy he was in 3 and IV, but it was a lot more reasonable to believe he could use his celebrity status to build a stable and successful life through owning the restaurant. This I buy. We'd seen how extravagant his lifestyle was, he had a freaking ROBOT. MC Hammer, Tyson, any number of musicians, athletes, wrestlers etc. that very quickly lost unimaginable fortunes because of lavish living, bad investments and scammers taking advantage of them.
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Apr 20, 2024 7:58:38 GMT -5
Teen Titans GO! is the worst thing to ever happen to Cartoon Network.
I think people hated it because it was shoved in our face all the time instead of something else that others might like, so it got the blame for all the issues Cartoon Network had at the time. Being on air all the time is not a legit criticism of the show itself because the show has no control over that. Not to mention people just hating the show because it's not the OG show, and they are right. It's not the original show, so stop treating it like it is. There's moments that are just awful content but TTG is not the cancer of animation people set it out to be. People complain about it being on all the time while SpongeBob on Nick was/is WAY worse about that.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 20, 2024 8:10:04 GMT -5
Teen Titans GO! is the worst thing to ever happen to Cartoon Network. I think people hated it because it was shoved in our face all the time instead of something else that others might like, so it got the blame for all the issues Cartoon Network had at the time. Being on air all the time is not a legit criticism of the show itself because the show has no control over that. Not to mention people just hating the show because it's not the OG show, and they are right. It's not the original show, so stop treating it like it is. There's moments that are just awful content but TTG is not the cancer of animation people set it out to be. People complain about it being on all the time while SpongeBob on Nick was/is WAY worse about that. The only bit I've seen is the movie, and that was fantastic.
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Post by James Fabiano on Apr 20, 2024 8:50:28 GMT -5
Teen Titans GO! is the worst thing to ever happen to Cartoon Network. I think people hated it because it was shoved in our face all the time instead of something else that others might like, so it got the blame for all the issues Cartoon Network had at the time. Being on air all the time is not a legit criticism of the show itself because the show has no control over that. Not to mention people just hating the show because it's not the OG show, and they are right. It's not the original show, so stop treating it like it is. There's moments that are just awful content but TTG is not the cancer of animation people set it out to be. People complain about it being on all the time while SpongeBob on Nick was/is WAY worse about that. The only bit I've seen is the movie, and that was fantastic. TTG's writers didn't help matters by instigating the ill feelings by clapping back all the time against the haters. That might be part of the "awful content" OP mentions, though. It's like how the Ghostbusters 2016 issue escalated, and I'll leave that at that. A lesser known example would be Game Show Network vs. online game show fans, as it related to Extreme Gong, the '90s (can you tell?) Gong Show revival. Apparently the producer caught wind that the alt.tv.game-shows group disliked the show, and responded by having on-air personnel take shots at the group. On the topic...though this is something more and more fans have realized as the decades went on: the "Dark Period" of Fall 1997, when GSN couldn't use most of the Mark Goodson library, wasn't that bad. I guess more people appreciate it given what the channel devolved into since. You got to see more rarities from the Sony library (Barry-Enright, Chuck Barris, Bob Stewart shows). And hey, The Price Is Right got to remain reran. They also included the ABC version of Pyramid with the 80s CBS ones. Another example: "Ted McGinley kills shows" Only Happy Days really felt different when Roger was introduced, and it still lasted a few more seasons. Married with Children didn't die out when Jefferson debuted.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 20, 2024 11:01:00 GMT -5
Teen Titans GO! is the worst thing to ever happen to Cartoon Network. I think people hated it because it was shoved in our face all the time instead of something else that others might like, so it got the blame for all the issues Cartoon Network had at the time. Being on air all the time is not a legit criticism of the show itself because the show has no control over that. Not to mention people just hating the show because it's not the OG show, and they are right. It's not the original show, so stop treating it like it is. There's moments that are just awful content but TTG is not the cancer of animation people set it out to be. People complain about it being on all the time while SpongeBob on Nick was/is WAY worse about that. I do think a lot of it was that Cartoon Network decided that they didn't need to program and ran it like 12 hours a day... not only would anything get annoying after that but they also cancelled other shows or would put them on at like 7am and barely advertise them at the same time. The only bit I've seen is the movie, and that was fantastic. TTG's writers didn't help matters by instigating the ill feelings by clapping back all the time against the haters. That might be part of the "awful content" OP mentions, though. It also didn't help that in some of the clap backs they painted all fans of the old show with the same brush at times... so even if you liked or were indifferent to Go, and the original they still were being insulting towards them. Yeah,on top of that introducing a new major character that's never been mentioned before multiple seasons in usually is a sign that the writers are running out of ideas and the show is likely on it's last legs anyway.
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Post by Scoops on Apr 20, 2024 11:40:56 GMT -5
I don't know if I'd call it revisionist history but: that Nolan's Batman movies were super serious and unfun.
I imagine this was backlash from Marvel fans "Well, at least my movies don't take themselves so seriously and actually have jokes in them!"
But all of the villains and anytime Bruce Wayne was in public were f***ing hysterical. Something that all future Joker performances missed was that Ledger's Joker was funny, like REALLY funny. Bane is also a case where it feels like too many people think they were laughing at him rather than with him. Like Nolan or Hardy didn't know that yeah, this is over the top and silly.
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Post by peaches1 on Apr 20, 2024 12:49:16 GMT -5
Scrappy imo is just the Ur example of a much larger trend of Children's TV having a character there meant to appeal to kids that were coded as kids themselves. See Orko, Snarf, the Ewoks, Tweekie, etc. What was meant to be an audience surrogate backfired because we didn't want to be the silly friend of the heroes we wanted to be the heroes themselves.
As for the Rocky franchise I think the internet has altered the perception that 4 was entertaining cheese when jn reality its just a shit movie pandering to Stallone's massive ego
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Apr 20, 2024 18:33:02 GMT -5
I feel like a lot of you are mixing up personal anecdotes with revisionist history.
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