Nr1Humanoid
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Apr 16, 2024 12:04:31 GMT -5
Every time a show has run out of stories for a character it is always the actor, not the writer, whom is let go. I have never understood that. The writers are the ones who can't get the job done, not the actor.
Thoughts?
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Push R Truth
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Post by Push R Truth on Apr 16, 2024 19:12:52 GMT -5
The actors just don't understand my genius. The long lost twin sibling the character never once mentioned in the last 8 seasons who shows up for a one-and-done is a rock solid original idea bro.
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J. Hova
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Post by J. Hova on Apr 16, 2024 19:47:20 GMT -5
It is the same thing in wrestling and the dreaded, "Creative has nothing for you." The wrestler is the one who gets the release, not the uncreative team.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Apr 16, 2024 21:42:00 GMT -5
Every time a show has run out of stories for a character it is always the actor, not the writer, whom is let go. I have never understood that. The writers are the ones who can't get the job done, not the actor. Thoughts? welcome to pro wrestling |
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Post by James Fabiano on Apr 16, 2024 22:11:53 GMT -5
It is the same thing in wrestling and the dreaded, "Creative has nothing for you." The wrestler is the one who gets the release, not the uncreative team. Does this happen a lot elsewhere too? I too felt that it was mainly a wrestling thing. |
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tirtefaa
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Post by tirtefaa on Apr 16, 2024 22:21:33 GMT -5
It is the same thing in wrestling and the dreaded, "Creative has nothing for you." The wrestler is the one who gets the release, not the uncreative team. Does this happen a lot elsewhere too? I too felt that it was mainly a wrestling thing. Yeah, I mean other than situations like Judy Winslow from Family Matters (who they never even had ideas for to begin with), has there ever been a situation where a popular character's popular appeal dwindles and the actor is let go from the role? Like...I can understand if they never caught on to begin with, but never a situation with someone popular. |
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J. Hova
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Post by J. Hova on Apr 17, 2024 0:51:24 GMT -5
It is the same thing in wrestling and the dreaded, "Creative has nothing for you." The wrestler is the one who gets the release, not the uncreative team. Does this happen a lot elsewhere too? I too felt that it was mainly a wrestling thing. Wrestling springs to mind, but I'm sure there are other examples in TV and film, but a lot of it has to do with actors being worn out from their roles and family commitments as well. I'm just spitballing some here and may have some stories mixed up: Alex Kingston was let go from ER as they had nothing left for her post Anthony Edwards' departure. I think this happened with Eriq La Salle as well. I think the whole "Who shot JR?" plotline with Dallas was due to creative differences and a contract dispute where they were going to kill off JR if Larry Hagman didn't reup. Larry Linville left MASH since he felt they had nothing left for him as Frank Burns creatively. As I've said in other threads here when it has come up, that character still had room to run, but Charles Winchester was such a great replacement and different foil, it all worked out in the end. I'm sure there are other examples, but I'm tired and going to bed. I do think a lot of times when actors say, "Oh, it is just time to move on," or "I want to explore other projects," it is a case of nothing being left creatively for whatever character they were playing. I stand in awe of some actors who can play the same character for 20 some episodes a season for 8, 10, 12 seasons or more. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 17, 2024 3:25:33 GMT -5
Does this happen a lot elsewhere too? I too felt that it was mainly a wrestling thing. Paul Schneider in Parks & Rec comes to mind. His character wasn't clicking and the writers couldn't make it work, so the mutual decision was made to write the character out. Red Dwarf wrote out Holly in the sixth season, as the writers had unconsciously shifted the character's primary roles – exposition and gags born of her low intelligence – to Kryten and the Cat. While not quite the same thing, Denise Crosby was unimpressed with how few ideas the writers had for Tasha Yar on Star Trek: TNG and quit after 20 episodes or so. Of course, had she stuck around things would have improved as much as they did with the other supporting characters. |
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Post by schma on Apr 17, 2024 9:42:15 GMT -5
It can depend partly on who is in charge and if they like someone. Cordelia on Angel was written off the show after her pregnancy and it's been stated that there was one higher up who was really on board with the character. When he left the show, there was no one championing the character any more and the writers didn't really want to write for her. I may be oversimplifying since it's half remembered, but her departure was something of a surprise, especially given how much her character had grown.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Apr 17, 2024 10:05:30 GMT -5
Its not easy to write new ideas for some characters after a while. You could just throw anything but it makes no sense to do that.
Its easier to cut the actor and bring them back later if they have 0 direction. Even though I hated Eric and Kelso leaving That 70's Show, neither had any sort of direction that made logical sense as time went on. Eric bailed for college and Kelso went through a long arc of becoming a Father out of nowhere that wasn't very good.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Apr 17, 2024 10:27:15 GMT -5
It can depend partly on who is in charge and if they like someone. Cordelia on Angel was written off the show after her pregnancy and it's been stated that there was one higher up who was really on board with the character. When he left the show, there was no one championing the character any more and the writers didn't really want to write for her. I may be oversimplifying since it's half remembered, but her departure was something of a surprise, especially given how much her character had grown. She was actually written about because Joss Wheddon is a misogynistic piece of trash and she refused to get an abortion when he demanded she get one. |
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Apr 18, 2024 8:05:22 GMT -5
It can depend partly on who is in charge and if they like someone. Cordelia on Angel was written off the show after her pregnancy and it's been stated that there was one higher up who was really on board with the character. When he left the show, there was no one championing the character any more and the writers didn't really want to write for her. I may be oversimplifying since it's half remembered, but her departure was something of a surprise, especially given how much her character had grown. She was actually written about because Joss Wheddon is a misogynistic piece of trash and she refused to get an abortion when he demanded she get one. Its funny you write this because all I was reading on Wheddon in the early 2010s when he directed Avengers was how great he was at writing and portraying women to a point of praise on The View from it and Wheddon claiming his mother taught him to be kind to women. |
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Apr 18, 2024 8:08:49 GMT -5
She was actually written about because Joss Wheddon is a misogynistic piece of trash and she refused to get an abortion when he demanded she get one. Its funny you write this because all I was reading on Wheddon in the early 2010s when he directed Avengers was how great he was at writing and portraying women to a point of praise on The View from it and Wheddon claiming his mother taught him to be kind to women. Joss Wheddon is basically the archetypal male "feminist" who uses it as a screen for deplorable behavior of his own. |
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Apr 18, 2024 8:14:15 GMT -5
Its funny you write this because all I was reading on Wheddon in the early 2010s when he directed Avengers was how great he was at writing and portraying women to a point of praise on The View from it and Wheddon claiming his mother taught him to be kind to women. Joss Wheddon is basically the archetypal male "feminist" who uses it as a screen for deplorable behavior of his own. I knew a guy like that. Had nothing but female friends and often championed for women's rights.... As he was taking advantage of our friends drunk girlfriend one night and by other accounts did the same to other women. The only saving grace was I walked in on him assaulting his friends underage girlfriend (he was 20, she was 17) and kept him from getting her on the couch naked because she was gone and he was still there telling me how much he was into her. |
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Apr 18, 2024 8:20:56 GMT -5
Joss Wheddon is basically the archetypal male "feminist" who uses it as a screen for deplorable behavior of his own. I knew a guy like that. Had nothing but female friends and often championed for women's rights.... As he was taking advantage of our friends drunk girlfriend one night and by other accounts did the same to other women. The only saving grace was I walked in on him assaulting his friends underage girlfriend (he was 20, she was 17) and kept him from getting her on the couch naked because she was gone and he was still there telling me how much he was into her. Yeah that checks out, sadly. It's why I've always described myself as an ally instead of a feminist. too many douchebags |
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Apr 18, 2024 8:45:55 GMT -5
I knew a guy like that. Had nothing but female friends and often championed for women's rights.... As he was taking advantage of our friends drunk girlfriend one night and by other accounts did the same to other women. The only saving grace was I walked in on him assaulting his friends underage girlfriend (he was 20, she was 17) and kept him from getting her on the couch naked because she was gone and he was still there telling me how much he was into her. Yeah that checks out, sadly. It's why I've always described myself as an ally instead of a feminist. too many douchebags If I'm being real, a lot of males who identified as feminists were often virtue signaling. Being an ally is okay, but some dudes really thought it was a gateway to girls |
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