bdon
Tommy Wiseau
Posts: 68
|
Post by bdon on May 2, 2024 5:12:05 GMT -5
It was a work. Everything after that moment was Edge focusing on Buddy’s body. Every bump mattered to the audience, because now we were unsure what kind of damage could come of even the simplest things. And that created stakes. Beautiful sell by all involved, and the rush to commercial was icing on the cake. Ok cool. The next question is then does a random-assed Edge vs. Buddy match on Dynamite need such an elaborate booking strategy? It’s just a different kind of overbooking IMO. it very clearly created a disconnect with the viewers which is never the intention when booking. 🤷🏻♂️ I wrote elsewhere that I feel like AEW has entered a new phase of its development. It started with Tony being an on-screen character and getting attacked. As we know, Tony use that opportunity to sell his neck injury on NFL Draft. The theme of tonight’s show was tension and stakes, actions and consequences. We open with stony trying to tell the audience he is incapable of traveling and will be running the shows from home, right? Next we go into Swerve, and we get the Bucks naming Christian his challenger, who proceeds to beatdown Swerve. Christian gets on the mic and reminds everyone what a shitbag this guy used to be by leaving Nick Wayne in a pool of blood, not to mention what he did breaking into Page’s home. Then we get the bump with Buddy spitting up blood. We get OC announcing Trent’s actions in the parking lot brawl have forced Chuck Taylor to retire. Toni Storm throws in the towel to prevent Deeb injuring Mariah May. We finish with Kenny discussing his very real illness, explaining how doctors have described his stomach as a ticking time bomb which is preconditioning the audience that Kenny should not be touched, and we saw how that ended. To end the night, we have fans in attendance claiming Skye Blue was “stuck” in the barbed wire for several minutes after the show went off the air. And all of this was being taken ultra seriously by commentary. Taz, in particular, was the star of the show for me. Concern in his voice, raises the sense of concern in the audience’s. Buddy is a healthy dude who takes a bump and spits up blood: what might happen if Omega gets hit that hard? I loved this episode and became more attentive to each bump and feeling for the performers. But that’s just me. I hope to see more seriousness displayed on AEW tv like this. I could be wrong and just seeing what I want to see, but tonight FELT like a course change within the company. We’ll have to see how things play out. Could just be a weird night, but we’ll see.
|
|
chrom
Backup Wench
Master of the rare undecuple post
Posts: 84,970
|
Post by chrom on May 2, 2024 5:14:42 GMT -5
Who thought that needed twenty minutes?
|
|
|
Post by daaave on May 2, 2024 6:07:26 GMT -5
Like watching a RAW main event that.
I like Edge, but his style is super slow comapared to most guys and opponents have to match his speed. Think he'd be better doing 10 min sprints instead of trying these 20 min epics
|
|
|
Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on May 2, 2024 6:37:40 GMT -5
Felt to me like Copeland was attempting to put together a twenty minute WWE style main event and Buddy wanted to work a faster AEW match and neither of them could get on the same page, which led to all those awkwardly placed double-down and rest spots. The crowd was popping for certain spots but other times they seemed understandably confused.
It was “Luger vs Perfect at Wrestlemania 9 bad”, not “Jenna Morasca vs Sharmell bad”.
|
|
|
Post by kingoftheindies on May 2, 2024 7:41:20 GMT -5
Said it in the Dynamite thread and I will sayy it here. To me this was just the typical awkwardness that appears anytime they try to run an angle with House of Black. The idea again of showing that the mist is corrupting Edge, and making him go too far is good in theory, but the execution from the match to the post match stuff was slow and awkward live.
|
|
|
Post by chronocross on May 2, 2024 8:57:03 GMT -5
The match wasn't the worst but I wouldn't go out of my way to watch it again.
|
|
|
Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on May 2, 2024 9:12:44 GMT -5
I actually didn't survive. I died watching it, it was that boring.
|
|
|
Post by polarbearpete on May 2, 2024 9:17:03 GMT -5
It can't possibly be longer than Edge vs. Orton at Mania though... right? Thankfully not. This seems to be Edge’s new thing. Overly long matches for the sake of it. Edge-Orton at Mania went 36:41
|
|
|
Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on May 2, 2024 9:35:16 GMT -5
Copeland (still not used to calling him that) has been great in AEW IMO. Sometimes two great workers just have a bad match with each other and I think that's all this was. I'm still looking forward to him vs. Brody and Malakai.
|
|
|
Post by Hot Noodle Truck on May 2, 2024 10:02:52 GMT -5
It felt like watching a David Lynch film. It was a surreal experience that I'm not sure it happened, it had a little person speaking jibberish and I'm confused after watching it Hey you leave Taz alone, dude is in pain
|
|
|
Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on May 2, 2024 10:11:00 GMT -5
This is the second time Matthews has done the "internal bleeding due to a collision" spot, he did it on Collision against Andrade a few months ago. The difference there was that they didn't go for another 10 minutes and instead had an absolute banger finish instead of using the spot as the equivalent of a wear-down submission.
Also, having the opening match use the same "internal bleeding" thing while making it seem minor while also doing an internal bleeding angle as your big main event gimmick is atrocious booking
|
|
|
Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on May 2, 2024 10:14:48 GMT -5
This is the second time Matthews has done the "internal bleeding due to a collision" spot, he did it on Collision against Andrade a few months ago. The difference there was that they didn't go for another 10 minutes and instead had an absolute banger finish instead of using the spot as the equivalent of a wear-down submission. Also, having the opening match use the same "internal bleeding" thing while making it seem minor while also doing an internal bleeding angle as your big main event gimmick is atrocious booking Buddy Matthews is the new Ken Shamrock. GET OUTTA HIS WAY.
|
|
|
Post by Jindrak Mark on May 2, 2024 10:47:10 GMT -5
I was just thinking a week or two ago that there must be a short list of people who've been booked stronger than Edge/Copeland since coming out of retirement. Maybe not title-wise but in purely kayfabe power levels he basically wins every feud and pretty much never loses clean.
He was a main eventer but in his prime he was still presented as beatable if you were one of the other top guys. The past 4 years though even if you're a high card guy you're probably either losing to him or having to cheat to beat him. From 2020-24 who has he lost to straight up with no asterisk next to the result?
He lost to Roman but there was outside interference. He lost to Orton but he wrestled the match with a torn pec. He lost to Finn because his wife was being attacked. He lost to Christian but it was a sneaky MITB style thing after a long match. He lost to Black but it was after being misted behind the ref's back. I think maybe the middle match of his 3-match series with Seth is the closest thing to someone being presented as actually being the better man but even then he won the final match/feud a month later.
|
|
krozor
Don Corleone
Posts: 1,366
|
Post by krozor on May 2, 2024 10:48:19 GMT -5
OK, but what if the long-term storytelling here isn't that Buddy was suffering from internal bleeding, but is instead evolving to be able to spit red mist?
Makes you think.
|
|
|
Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on May 2, 2024 11:02:36 GMT -5
I actually didn't survive. I died watching it, it was that boring. RIP DOO DOO IS WORSE THAN WCW 2000 2022-2024 “I wish I’d gotten to do it myself.” - Carefree Beach Life Gritizen
|
|
|
Post by Celexa Bliss 54 on May 2, 2024 11:28:25 GMT -5
WHAT A PRO WANTS WHAT A PRO NEEDS "SOOOODDAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!" I had to look up the ad, because I had no clue what you were talking about lol I did not see that commercial once last night, lucky me haha
|
|
4real
Wade Wilson
Posts: 27,853
|
Post by 4real on May 2, 2024 11:39:16 GMT -5
It can't possibly be longer than Edge vs. Orton at Mania though... right? Every time I think about that match I shudder. Absolute slog to get through especially at 3am in the morning!
|
|
|
Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on May 2, 2024 11:58:46 GMT -5
It can't possibly be longer than Edge vs. Orton at Mania though... right? Every time I think about that match I shudder. Absolute slog to get through especially at 3am in the morning! Sometimes I forget how good we Americans really have it.
|
|
markymark
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Posts: 18,401
|
Post by markymark on May 2, 2024 12:01:53 GMT -5
A reminder that Buddy also had a stinker vs Darby, DARBY!
|
|
Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby
Grimlock
Blanket burrito season is back, and I never left the blankets
Posts: 12,853
Member is Online
|
Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on May 2, 2024 12:24:16 GMT -5
I was just thinking a week or two ago that there must be a short list of people who've been booked stronger than Edge/Copeland since coming out of retirement. Maybe not title-wise but in purely kayfabe power levels he basically wins every feud and pretty much never loses clean. He was a main eventer but in his prime he was still presented as beatable if you were one of the other top guys. The past 4 years though even if you're a high card guy you're probably either losing to him or having to cheat to beat him. From 2020-24 who has he lost to straight up with no asterisk next to the result? He lost to Roman but there was outside interference. He lost to Orton but he wrestled the match with a torn pec. He lost to Finn because his wife was being attacked. He lost to Christian but it was a sneaky MITB style thing after a long match. He lost to Black but it was after being misted behind the ref's back. I think maybe the middle match of his 3-match series with Seth is the closest thing to someone being presented as actually being the better man but even then he won the final match/feud a month later. It's a weird paradox of booking a nostalgia act. Copeland's biggest asset is that he's a Big Name, and I say that as someone who's currently enjoying him more than I ever have in the ring. His name value means nothing if he isn't protected, because if he isn't, then he's a has-been. But that can get quite antithetical to what made the wrestler a big name to begin with, and Copeland's a very good example of that. This guy was, in practical terms if not mainstream recognition, one of the most important wrestlers in 00's WWE, and he played that role almost entirely as a conniving heel who couldn't buy a clean win. Bringing him back and booking him like he was in the 00's into his first retirement would make for a pretty underwhelming use of a Big Name, regardless of the contradiction to why he has that status. ...it's really tangled and strange, I don't know what to do with it, really. Mostly it's working, but it has that bit of nostalgia act supremacy that's always a danger of wrestling booking.
|
|