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Post by rra on Jul 8, 2007 11:31:54 GMT -5
My point is, I liked PIRATES, I really do, but its not in my personal Top 250. The list is a popularity contest. I'm just making a point that people on this thread complain about it, but the problem is of the nature of the list in itself. It is satisfying when a damn good film, but not necessarily box-office cooker does make the list. It means that thousands of people around the world think its worthy of the list. I'm not saying the list is worthless. It has its pros and cons. My opinion is it should be a popularity contest. Why should the critics be the only people who get to decide whats good and is not. I mean, the fact that the Godfather movies are 1 and 3 tells me these people aren't totally full of crap. Did I say people are totally crap? All I said roughly was that Democracy is a double-edge sword. For every rightful choice picked by the people....there is a goof-up. Anyway, I'm ambivalent about whatever a system of lists should be an closed-off elite critics who don't share or willing to withstand their opinions with normal people.........or people that voted JURASSIC PARK over SCHINDLER'S LIST in that 1993 poll I did weeks back. Anyway, what are arguing about anyway?
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Post by tommyvercetti on Jul 8, 2007 11:35:43 GMT -5
My opinion is it should be a popularity contest. Why should the critics be the only people who get to decide whats good and is not. I mean, the fact that the Godfather movies are 1 and 3 tells me these people aren't totally full of crap. Did I say people are totally crap? All I said roughly was that Democracy is a double-edge sword. For every rightful choice picked by the people....there is a goof-up. Anyway, I'm ambivalent about whatever a system of lists should be an closed-off elite critics who don't share or willing to withstand their opinions with normal people.........or people that voted JURASSIC PARK over SCHINDLER'S LIST in that 1993 poll I did weeks back. Anyway, what are arguing about anyway? But why is it a "goof up?" I mean...more people might think Black Flag is a better band than Dead Kennedys. I would disagree but that don't mean those people "goofed." People tend to see differing opinions on entertainment options as "mistakes" or "the people who have these opinions don't have enough knowledge to come to the correct conclusions" when in actuality it's simply a different, equally valid opinion.
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Post by rra on Jul 8, 2007 11:40:41 GMT -5
Did I say people are totally crap? All I said roughly was that Democracy is a double-edge sword. For every rightful choice picked by the people....there is a goof-up. Anyway, I'm ambivalent about whatever a system of lists should be an closed-off elite critics who don't share or willing to withstand their opinions with normal people.........or people that voted JURASSIC PARK over SCHINDLER'S LIST in that 1993 poll I did weeks back. Anyway, what are arguing about anyway? But why is it a "goof up?" I mean...more people might think Black Flag is a better band than Dead Kennedys. I would disagree but that don't mean those people "goofed." People tend to see differing opinions on entertainment options as "mistakes" or "the people who have these opinions don't have enough knowledge to come to the correct conclusions" when in actuality it's simply a different, equally valid opinion. I don't know, why did some people think I need to lay off the Serious Sauce over TRANSFORMERS? Right now it has 8.2 rating, but so what? It might very well be in the Top 250 when the # of required votes come in. SPIDER-MAN was in the top 250 when it came out....and fell sometime after the hysteria. Besides, what about the original poster saying how he/she doesn't like the list, and all I was trying to say was that the IMDB list is a popularity contest, for better or for worse, like Democracy. Some IMDB picks I agree with, some I don't. That's everyone.
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Post by tommyvercetti on Jul 8, 2007 11:44:50 GMT -5
But why is it a "goof up?" I mean...more people might think Black Flag is a better band than Dead Kennedys. I would disagree but that don't mean those people "goofed." People tend to see differing opinions on entertainment options as "mistakes" or "the people who have these opinions don't have enough knowledge to come to the correct conclusions" when in actuality it's simply a different, equally valid opinion. I don't know, why did some people think I need to lay off the Serious Sauce over TRANSFORMERS? Right now it has 8.2 rating, but so what? It might very well be in the Top 250 when the # of required votes come in. SPIDER-MAN was in the top 250 when it came out....and fell sometime after the hysteria. Besides, what about the original poster saying how he/she doesn't like the list, and all I was trying to say was that the IMDB list is a popularity contest, for better or for worse, like Democracy. Some IMDB picks I agree with, some I don't. That's everyone. I agree with all of them. Every. Single . One.
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Post by rra on Jul 8, 2007 11:52:07 GMT -5
I don't know, why did some people think I need to lay off the Serious Sauce over TRANSFORMERS? Right now it has 8.2 rating, but so what? It might very well be in the Top 250 when the # of required votes come in. SPIDER-MAN was in the top 250 when it came out....and fell sometime after the hysteria. Besides, what about the original poster saying how he/she doesn't like the list, and all I was trying to say was that the IMDB list is a popularity contest, for better or for worse, like Democracy. Some IMDB picks I agree with, some I don't. That's everyone. I agree with all of them. Every. Single . One. and the placements? Speaking of lists....what did you think of the updated AFI list?
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Post by tommyvercetti on Jul 8, 2007 11:53:34 GMT -5
Actually, i now officially believe TRANSFORMERS as the greatest film in history.
On both lists.
Actually, i never totally agree with any list..but I think the IMDB is good for what it is supposed to be.
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Post by jfbop37 on Jul 8, 2007 11:58:39 GMT -5
and all I was trying to say was that the IMDB list is a popularity contest, for better or for worse, like Democracy. I know someone that would disagree with that statement. Sorry mods, I'm fairly conservative, and even I couldn't resist.
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Post by rra on Jul 8, 2007 11:59:10 GMT -5
Actually, i now officially believe TRANSFORMERS as the greatest film in history. On both lists. Actually, i never totally agree with any list..but I think the IMDB is good for what it is supposed to be. No way, its BATTLEFIELD EARTH yo! But as what you say about IMDB.....I guess I agree with you there.
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Post by tommyvercetti on Jul 8, 2007 12:02:47 GMT -5
I see IMDB as the list for people who are more into movies than the overall public.
AFI is the critics list.
My personal one is the only one that should really be looked at as comprehensive.
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Post by rra on Jul 8, 2007 12:04:18 GMT -5
I see IMDB as the list for people who are more into movies than the overall public. AFI is the critics list. My personal one is the only one that should really be looked at as comprehensive. and I agree with you. I may like Vern, I may like Ebert...but the individual is the best critic for themselves.
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Post by tommyvercetti on Jul 8, 2007 12:05:43 GMT -5
I hated Ghost Rider and Scary Movie.
Random I know but I hate both so much i crap on them at every chance.
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Post by rra on Jul 8, 2007 12:08:05 GMT -5
I hated Ghost Rider and Scary Movie. Random I know but I hate both so much i crap on them at every chance. Well, I crap on those turkeys too. GHOST RIDER I hated so much, it actually made the mediocre as hell DAREDEVIL seem good in contrast. That's a bad sign.
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Post by tommyvercetti on Jul 8, 2007 12:08:58 GMT -5
Not often do movies actually piss me off.
These two did.
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Post by Jiren on Jul 8, 2007 12:12:37 GMT -5
i don't like alot of the current 250 but i can't argue with opinions
I think "Susperia" should be on the list, but i think nearly everyone will dissagree
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Post by rra on Jul 8, 2007 12:14:45 GMT -5
i don't like alot of the current 250 but i can't argue with opinions I think "Susperia" should be on the list, but i think nearly everyone will dissagree I actually agree with you on SUSPIRIA. Thats an example of taking a not so remarkable story and making it better than it should be simply because of a director hauling incredible ass.
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Post by Jiren on Jul 8, 2007 12:16:34 GMT -5
i don't like alot of the current 250 but i can't argue with opinions I think "Susperia" should be on the list, but i think nearly everyone will dissagree I actually agree with you on SUSPIRIA. Thats an example of taking a not so remarkable story and making it better than it should be simply because of a director hauling incredible ass. I'm glad someone does Argento is seriously underrated
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Post by jfbop37 on Jul 8, 2007 12:23:22 GMT -5
i don't like alot of the current 250 but i can't argue with opinions Agreed, I personally think that Blazing Saddles is the funniest movie ever made. It makes complete and total sense especially now after the whole Don Imus incident. But, its not in the 250....oh well, life goes on and I will continue to watch my 35th anniversary DVD of Blazing Saddles..... ...and laugh my ass off at dumb ignorant racists.
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Post by Jiren on Jul 8, 2007 12:26:06 GMT -5
Zulu is one of my favourite films and yet that isn't on it
Same with Battle Royale
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Post by rra on Jul 8, 2007 12:27:15 GMT -5
i don't like alot of the current 250 but i can't argue with opinions Agreed, I personally think that Blazing Saddles is the funniest movie ever made. It makes complete and total sense especially now after the whole Don Imus incident. But, its not in the 250....oh well, life goes on and I will continue to watch my 35th anniversary DVD of Blazing Saddles..... ...and laugh my ass off at dumb ignorant racists. My favorite scene was when Little aimed the gun at himself. "He's Serious!"
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