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Post by T.J. "the Crippler" Stevens on Jul 12, 2007 17:19:12 GMT -5
Hindsight is nice, aint it? Besides, you know who wrote ROBOCOP? Ed Neumier....who WAS a Hollywood studio exec back in the day in the 1980s before he quit and started writing ROBOCOP. So he used his own first-hand experience of inner-corporate politics to have the ruthlessness of everyone at OCP. And really, what do you mean EXACTLY about "pointless" violence? Vernhoeven himself said that whole gruesome Murphy execution sequence was the guy becoming Jesus ("Jesus?" "Forget it, he's rolling.") But really, go read up Roger Ebert's A CLOCKWORK ORANGE review sometime. He hated that film. Not because he didn't like what Kubrick shot or edited, but because the protagonist wasn't punished enough for his deeds and how the ultra-violence was pointless. Go read it up man. It didn't take hindsight to see it. And inner corporate politics are absolutely brutal. But I doubt he saw anyone shot with 1000 rounds in the board room. I think it's stupid satire, but at least I get that it is satire and not reality. And I absolutely agree with Mr. Ebert in that case. The film warranted that the antagonist should recieve an absolutely brutal death, and your damn sure I believe it would've been appropriate in that case. I also felt Clarence's violent death in Robocop was the way it should've been. I'm not saying violence in films is bad. I'm saying pointless violence in films is not entertaining to me.
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Post by Jiren on Jul 12, 2007 17:21:26 GMT -5
The Animal killings in "Cannibal Holocaust" The fact that it was real pissed me off, even Deodato crys when thinking about it now Didn't the director of CH himself agree that in retrospect he shouldn't have shot all those killings? Anyway, CH was a exploitation picture...and nothing more than that. It was intended to shock, and draw, people to see it. Except the "shock" was ABSOLUTELY ALOT MORE than the CH makers expected. Yeah that's why i said Deodato crys about today (He said in an interview once) I didn't find it shocking i just found it despicable
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Post by rra on Jul 12, 2007 17:22:30 GMT -5
It's paranoia about what the country could become - a violent police state with politicians and councils only concerned about regenerating the city centres to increase property prices and the price of land ownership whilst completely ignoring the real problems of poverty on the outskirts which the rich would rather ignore, which only makes the problem worse. Along with an 80's yuppie attitude of money and power, with greed being the downfall. I don't know what it's like round yours but the stuff about regeneration benefitting no one at all who's in dire need of help is especially true in my city. It's a bad attitude of 'nice looking houses will get rid of bad social attitudes among the population. We can't fail!!'. Well, the corporation scenes in ROBOCOP still resonate, what not with the Enron, Worldcom, and other corporate robberies. We still talk about that in our current world. Whats funny is, you know what idea that Ed Neumier himself had for the ROBOCOP sequel if ORION had agreed to let him flesh it out through more script drafts, instead of rushing to reach the 1990 release date? His idea was to open with Robocop chasing some hoodlums...but as he gets up close, one of the hoods with a shotguns pulls the trigger and blows Robocop's top-half of his head off. 20 years later. "Robocop" is revived, only to find out that now he's a relic in a world of more advanced machines and computers. Descendents of his prototype and the ED-209 dominate the landscape. Basically, in the crazyness of the script, the U.S. government itself runs itself like a corporation, with President as CEO, with Congress as his fellow Board members.....and how even the U.S. military is now a "division" (aptly called "Military Division") of this national corporation. Would it have worked? No idea....but damn, thats nuts.....yeah?
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Post by Austin's Middle Finger on Jul 12, 2007 17:23:41 GMT -5
I watched I Spit On Your Grave as a wee lad and I couldn't sleep for a good few days afterwards.
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Post by T.J. "the Crippler" Stevens on Jul 12, 2007 17:25:08 GMT -5
Well, the corporation scenes in ROBOCOP still resonate, what not with the Enron, Worldcom, and other corporate robberies. We still talk about that in our current world. Whats funny is, you know what idea that Ed Neumier himself had for the ROBOCOP sequel if ORION had agreed to let him flesh it out through more script drafts, instead of rushing to reach the 1990 release date? His idea was to open with Robocop chasing some hoodlums...but as he gets up close, one of the hoods with a shotguns pulls the trigger and blows Robocop's top-half of his head off. 20 years later. "Robocop" is revived, only to find out that now he's a relic in a world of more advanced machines and computers. Descendents of his prototype and the ED-209 dominate the landscape. Basically, in the crazyness of the script, the U.S. government itself runs itself like a corporation, with President as CEO, with Congress as his fellow Board members.....and how even the U.S. military is now a "division" (aptly called "Military Division") of this national corporation. Would it have worked? No idea....but damn, thats nuts.....yeah? Sounds like a damn good starting point if you were going to make Robocop Vs. The Terminator into a movie. Just say the ED-209 Program merged with Cyberdine ( eeeeevil corporate merger, of course) and that's how the whole thing took off. That'd be pretty sweet.
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Post by rra on Jul 12, 2007 17:38:13 GMT -5
Well, the corporation scenes in ROBOCOP still resonate, what not with the Enron, Worldcom, and other corporate robberies. We still talk about that in our current world. Whats funny is, you know what idea that Ed Neumier himself had for the ROBOCOP sequel if ORION had agreed to let him flesh it out through more script drafts, instead of rushing to reach the 1990 release date? His idea was to open with Robocop chasing some hoodlums...but as he gets up close, one of the hoods with a shotguns pulls the trigger and blows Robocop's top-half of his head off. 20 years later. "Robocop" is revived, only to find out that now he's a relic in a world of more advanced machines and computers. Descendents of his prototype and the ED-209 dominate the landscape. Basically, in the crazyness of the script, the U.S. government itself runs itself like a corporation, with President as CEO, with Congress as his fellow Board members.....and how even the U.S. military is now a "division" (aptly called "Military Division") of this national corporation. Would it have worked? No idea....but damn, thats nuts.....yeah? Sounds like a damn good starting point if you were going to make Robocop Vs. The Terminator into a movie. Just say the ED-209 Program merged with Cyberdine ( eeeeevil corporate merger, of course) and that's how the whole thing took off. That'd be pretty sweet. I agree. Hell, its better than that comic mini-series and video game.... Anyway, one idea of that aborted script that I dig is one that the ROBOCOP sequels refused to do: Unlike those sequels, in Neumier's story, the corporate-owned "paradise city" with a silver lining for a future, was built over Detroit.........its just below the beautiful buildings and futuristic-looking landscape, its as dirty and corrupt as old Detroit.
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