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Post by -Lithium- on Aug 22, 2007 0:01:42 GMT -5
For a a long time I realized that I hate death metal. But today I got to really thinking about it and its just like...I cant STAND IT. I mean for real what are the redeeming qualities about it? Lyrics(never understand them), singing(same old yelling and grunting), music(same drumming and guitar). It just...SUCKS and its like the same stuff EVERY song. I aint trying to insult anyone at all and if you like it is cool, but god I cant believe its as big as it is. If I sound all ignorant or whatever, dont care. Had to get this out there and see what yall thought...
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Aug 22, 2007 0:03:01 GMT -5
For a a long time I realized that I hate death metal. But today I got to really thinking about it and its just like...I cant STAND IT. I mean for real what are the redeeming qualities about it? Lyrics, singing(same old yelling), music. It just...SUCKS and its like the same stuff EVERY song. I aint trying to insult anyone at all and if you like it is cool, but god I cant believe its as big as it is. If I sound all ignorant or whatever, dont care. Had to get this out there and see what yall thought... I agree with you 100% I have no idea how in the hell Death Metal is taken seriously. I find it funny how utterly ridiculous it is.
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Post by Blindkarevik on Aug 22, 2007 0:16:32 GMT -5
different ears hear different things.... I, for one, enjoy the growling, the heaviness, and the subtleties that make up the bands themselves.... Behemoth with the gang vocals, plus their black metal tendencies.... Nile with their Egyptian influences... Cannibal Corpse with their no-nonsense heaviness... Zyklon, mixing elements of thrash... it sounds good to me.
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Post by Phosphor Glow on Aug 22, 2007 0:31:05 GMT -5
I don't care for MOST death metal, but melodeath is actually a really awesome genre.
In fact, I've been getting into a band I found as of late, called The Absence. Great stuff.
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Post by Topher is Human on Aug 22, 2007 4:05:45 GMT -5
It really depends on the bands. Some people pass off bands like Cradle of Filth as Death Metal, and that's pretty wrong. I'm not a huge fan of Death Metal, but some bands seem pretty good to me like Death and a LITTLE bit of Testament.
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Post by Baixo Astral on Aug 22, 2007 4:18:09 GMT -5
I'd rather have a hot soldering iron inserted into my ear, through my brain and out the other side, than listen to any of that stuff.
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Post by Nan Flanagan on Aug 22, 2007 5:00:53 GMT -5
different ears hear different things.... I, for one, enjoy the growling, the heaviness, and the subtleties that make up the bands themselves.... Behemoth with the gang vocals, plus their black metal tendencies.... Nile with their Egyptian influences... Cannibal Corpse with their no-nonsense heaviness... Zyklon, mixing elements of thrash... it sounds good to me. Amen. A band like Death who weren't just heavy, the technicality in Chuck Schuldiners playing was second to none. Amon Amarth and there Norse influences. I can understand when people say oh it's just noise, or whatever. But not all death metal bands are that shallow. I don't mean to sound like a nark...but when did Testament become death metal?
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Post by Topher is Human on Aug 22, 2007 5:04:28 GMT -5
different ears hear different things.... I, for one, enjoy the growling, the heaviness, and the subtleties that make up the bands themselves.... Behemoth with the gang vocals, plus their black metal tendencies.... Nile with their Egyptian influences... Cannibal Corpse with their no-nonsense heaviness... Zyklon, mixing elements of thrash... it sounds good to me. Amen. A band like Death who weren't just heavy, the technicality in Chuck Schuldiners playing was second to none. Amon Amarth and there Norse influences. I can understand when people say oh it's just noise, or whatever. But not all death metal bands are that shallow. I don't mean to sound like a nark...but when did Testament become death metal? They were never really Death Metal per-say, but alot of their work (especially around the 90s) was semi thrash/semi groove/semi death. And their first three albums (the only good to come out of Testament), despite being more thrash than anything, are what helped pave the way for the Death Metal movement.
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Post by Baixo Astral on Aug 22, 2007 5:05:36 GMT -5
Amen. A band like Death who weren't just heavy, the technicality in Chuck Schuldiners playing was second to none. Amon Amarth and there Norse influences. I can understand when people say oh it's just noise, or whatever. But not all death metal bands are that shallow. I don't mean to sound like a nark...but when did Testament become death metal? They were never really Death Metal per-say, but alot of their work (especially around the 90s) was semi thrash/semi groove/semi death. And their first three albums (the only good to come out of Testament), despite being more thrash than anything, are what helped pave the way for the Death Metal movement. See, that's what gets me nowadays... too... many... genres.
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Post by Captain Wonderful on Aug 22, 2007 5:05:48 GMT -5
its like the same stuff EVERY song. I hate to break this to you, but that's every musical genre ever. There is nothing new under the sun.
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Post by Topher is Human on Aug 22, 2007 5:11:56 GMT -5
its like the same stuff EVERY song. I hate to break this to you, but that's every musical genre ever. There is nothing new under the sun. Exactly, people don't see the variety unless it's something they enjoy. I can say that I think every hip-hop song sounds the same, or every pop song, or dance etc. and fans of those genres can say that every rock or metal song sounds the same...
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Post by Nan Flanagan on Aug 22, 2007 5:15:23 GMT -5
Amen. A band like Death who weren't just heavy, the technicality in Chuck Schuldiners playing was second to none. Amon Amarth and there Norse influences. I can understand when people say oh it's just noise, or whatever. But not all death metal bands are that shallow. I don't mean to sound like a nark...but when did Testament become death metal? They were never really Death Metal per-say, but alot of their work (especially around the 90s) was semi thrash/semi groove/semi death. And their first three albums (the only good to come out of Testament), despite being more thrash than anything, are what helped pave the way for the Death Metal movement. Oh yeah, that's true. I dunno, maybe it's just cause I'm an old fart or something, but I still always call them thrash. Either way they kick ass and Chuck Billy will always be one of the greatest frontmen ever.
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Post by Topher is Human on Aug 22, 2007 5:17:01 GMT -5
They were never really Death Metal per-say, but alot of their work (especially around the 90s) was semi thrash/semi groove/semi death. And their first three albums (the only good to come out of Testament), despite being more thrash than anything, are what helped pave the way for the Death Metal movement. Oh yeah, that's true. I dunno, maybe it's just cause I'm an old fart or something, but I still always call them thrash. Either way they kick ass and Chuck Billy will always be one of the greatest frontmen ever. I personally disagree there, outside of their first three albums they really seemed to lose alot of steam, and Chuck Billy's voice gets on my nerves. Although "Return to Serenity" kicks endless amounts of ass, seriously I lost count of all the asses that got kicked
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Post by Nan Flanagan on Aug 22, 2007 5:20:51 GMT -5
I didn't just mean vocally, I was meaning overall presence. Just a matter of preference though, really. Though I do prefer the albums up until Low. Though Low did have a few really excellent tracks on it. Practice what you Preach is, for me there benchmark album.
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Post by Topher is Human on Aug 22, 2007 5:25:10 GMT -5
I didn't just mean vocally, I was meaning overall presence. Just a matter of preference though, really. Though I do prefer the albums up until Low. Though Low did have a few really excellent tracks on it. Practice what you Preach is, for me there benchmark album. I'll give you that, PWYP is a pretty amazing album, it's their "Master of Puppets" or "Reign in Blood" if you will. The only songs I really cared for on Low was the title track and Trail of Tears (mainly for that chorus)
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Post by That Loser Guy on Aug 22, 2007 5:28:19 GMT -5
I really like death metal up until the early 2000's, but I'll always stay true to it during '80's to the mid-90's. Nowadays it's become a novelty for retards who think playing fast means perfect musicianship. Possessed and Death are perfect death metal bands, and it seems like there are very few who can perfect death metal like they did "Seven Churches" and in "Scream Bloody Gore". Metalheads will get where I'm coming from. I can stand brutal death metal to a point, but I don't make it my life.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Aug 22, 2007 10:07:21 GMT -5
I'll flat out TELL you why I (and others) love Death Metal.
you complain about how you can't understand the lyrics, how they're always about violence. well that's bullshit. sure, there are bands who sing about violence/gore (Cannibal Corpse for obvious example), but how is that any different than watching a cheesy slasher movie? like the movie it's all tongue in cheek. and there are LOTS of Death Metal bands who don't sing about gore. there's the political ones (Misery Index, Dying Fetus), the mystical/philosophical ones (Death, Behemoth, Morbid Angel), the ones who write about evil in a more fantastical, imaginative way (Suffocation, Immolation) and even bands who sing about things that are completely off-the-wall goofy (Cephalic Carnage, Skinless).
as for not understanding the point of grunting, you're looking at it all wrong. it's not about "can I understand it?" it's about emoting extreme anger/disgust, which growling does a hell of a lot better than singing like Freddy mercury does (no disrespect to Freddy meant). think of it not as singing, but as another instrument that complements the extreme, brutal music. besides, once you listen to it for a while, your ear gets trained in such a way that you CAN understand the vocalist.
and the music itself is, more often than not, way more intricate than just playing fast. it's technical, VERY difficult to play, full of counterpoint and many different things going on at the same time.if you're actually listening you can hear it. if you dismiss it before you listen you won't. as for the brutality, well DUH, it's called Death Metal for a reason. it's the ultimate musical outlet for a bad mood, or trying to convey one's darker thoughts.
besides, there's so much variation on Death Metal that it's unfair to pigeonhole it as all the same. there's the prog-esque bands (Death, Pestilence), the total brutality bands (Cannibal Corpse, Cryptopsy), the atmospheric ones (Behemoth, Immolation), the grindy ones (Aborted, Despised Icon), and tonnes of other variations that I'm not gonna get into.
in short please don't pigeon-hole a genre till you actually know something about it. I'm not saying you have to like it (hey different strokes is my motto), just don't be ignorant about it either.
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