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Post by mysterydriver on May 12, 2007 0:41:50 GMT -5
Actually, the ratings went up about .01, or .05, depending on which rating you look at. Thats negligible and plus Spike would want way higer ratings but when you focus primarily on old guys past there prime you don't get good ratings. No gives a crap maybe if they pushed Styles, Joe, Daniels and Shelley more they would get better ratings. Or at least do better storylines. Maybe if they made Tomko champion they would get better ratings. I, for one, would find houses with Nielson Rating machines, or whatever, and hold them hostage on every Thursday night from 9 to 10...until I was arrested that is... The "old guys" are recognizable, but I think they should focus on new stars with better, IE longer, matches. Have Sting cut a promo with Angle. Fine. Then let me see Alex Shelley, his darn Europeon chain wrestling, and Sabin against Lethal and Dutt, or something like that. To give them something to do before their contract runs out and TNA ditches them? To give Hoyt something to do besides feud with baseball players? To introduce new, exciting....to introduce the Bashams? Joe wasn't on the card and neither was Styles. So, have them have a "confrontation" and throw it on the card. Quick and sloppy. However, I think TNA just wants a solid "wrestling" card after two debacles of PPVs. Yes they do. Starr...Aires (?) getting suspended hurt Senshi. He needs a new feud...stat. I wish TNA would let him join LAX. However, I'm afraid if they start letting people into LAX, it could nWo on them (Too many people)...however the "Latino Nation" that pops up may have already did that. Shelley and Sabin seem to be forming a team and I am interested in the book thing (I didn't see Impact this week, so I don't know if or what was brought up about it). You mean the Sting/Angle/Christian? On the shows I saw, it was the bookend parts. It began the show and ended it. Sting/Angle, Sting/Christian, Sting and Angle having numerous promos, Christian doing his best to prevent either from having a title shot, the horrible "Double Tap" from Styles. I think they have pushed this one hard. I'm just not sure I have faith in the match. I know what you mean there. Optimism is hard to come by in pro-wrestling. However, I just wanted to give some...semi-serious rebuttals to your points.
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Post by Timmy8271 on May 12, 2007 1:01:48 GMT -5
I watched TNA. Do I get a cookie? I want my hour back.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on May 12, 2007 1:04:49 GMT -5
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Post by Timmy8271 on May 12, 2007 1:34:00 GMT -5
Sure why not. I bet she's more entertaining than Sonjay Dutt.
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on May 12, 2007 2:36:13 GMT -5
As a wrestling fan that's survived through the terror of the Triple H run of 02-03 I can say that the only wrestling promo that has actually made me change the channel is TNA.
Now I don't even try to watch it.
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Post by burninghammer on May 12, 2007 3:34:42 GMT -5
I'm sorry TNA but super sized episodes of Scrubs and the Office. Maybe if you some characters like Dwight Schrute and Dr. Perry Cox I'd watch every week.
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Post by @TenaciousBe on May 12, 2007 11:49:18 GMT -5
Man.. I feel like I'm living in bizarro world when I come to TNA threads on this board. TNA's been the most solidly booked wrestling show on TV lately, and I don't care how old they are, I would rather see Sting and Angle than Khali and Umaga ANY day of the week. You have several different feuds all going strong, which is hard to do with only 4 or 5 hours of programming between PPVs.
Problem is, the ratings are never going to go up substantially if people don't know about the show. The core WWE audience (which is what they should be marketing towards) may be growing tired with Vince's product but they don't have the ambition to check out a new show. With TNA ppvs getting out on the road, making a name for themselves in places that aren't Orlando, it's a good start. Give it time, get the 2 hour show and give TNA booking a little more time to work with each week, and I guarantee we'll see TNA doing better and better as time goes by. Spike has to invest that second hour to make it work.
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Post by 01 Mark! on May 12, 2007 13:49:17 GMT -5
The problem I find with TNA is that with Russo booking it gives the impression(to me at least) that his attitude era buddies can come down to TNA and succeed when in reality they are past their primes and should pave the way for the future. It also doesnt help that they're killing the last best thing they have the X-Division. I swear if they put those turds VKM over Shelley/Sabin I would have quit on TNA forever. Sorry to go on a rant I ll get off my soapbox now
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Post by Aya Reiko on May 12, 2007 20:44:06 GMT -5
Man.. I feel like I'm living in bizarro world when I come to TNA threads on this board. TNA's been the most solidly booked wrestling show on TV lately, and I don't care how old they are, I would rather see Sting and Angle than Khali and Umaga ANY day of the week. You have several different feuds all going strong, which is hard to do with only 4 or 5 hours of programming between PPVs. Problem is, the ratings are never going to go up substantially if people don't know about the show. The core WWE audience (which is what they should be marketing towards) may be growing tired with Vince's product but they don't have the ambition to check out a new show. With TNA ppvs getting out on the road, making a name for themselves in places that aren't Orlando, it's a good start. Give it time, get the 2 hour show and give TNA booking a little more time to work with each week, and I guarantee we'll see TNA doing better and better as time goes by. Spike has to invest that second hour to make it work. "Solidly booked"? BWAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! TNA is poorly booked. Joe/Angle was horrendously booked. Angle/Sting was a waste. The PPVs are Russorific with gimmick match overkill. Most people can't give a damn about any of the PPV matches due to bad booking. None of the feuds are going strong, in fact, they're all rather weak and haphazardly assembled. Spike will not give TNA a second hour. TUF is crushing TNA in the key demo. In all likelihood, IMPACT may get moved to the end of the Thursday night programming block and TUF programming moved ahead one hour.
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Post by @TenaciousBe on May 13, 2007 4:09:57 GMT -5
I'll give you Joe/Angle, it WAS rushed a little. On the other hand, what are they supposed to do, run around yelling at each other for months before they get in the ring together? This is a wrestling company, wrestling is what these guys do when they don't like each other. Joe was miffed that Angle got such a huge ovation about coming to be the "savior" of TNA, so they get into the ring and settle things. Big deal.
What's wrong with Angle/Sting? Sting was busy with the Abyss thing, but he joined team Angle for Lockdown and got the win... so Angle was a little pissed that "his team" didn't hand the win over to him. Hence.. Angle is less than happy with Sting, and now they're at each other's throats over who gets the title shot. I don't see anything wrong with this.
Roode/Young/Ms. Brooks has been brewing for months. Hell, it goes back to Team Canada. Jarrett getting involved, I'll admit was a little WTF-worthy, but it's cool to see Jarrett involved in a more mid-card role.
Storm/Harris... well, AMW has never been anything overly exciting to begin with, but that's cause I loathe cowboy gimmicks. It's still a feud that's been in the works for a long time.
Many of these 3 or 4 way X-Division matches, sure, it's a little frustrating that they're just thrown together that way. But having those multiple-angle matches like that feeds right into their style. Sabin and Shelley are developing a team of sorts (which I love, considering they're pretty much best friends outside the ring and have AMAZING chemistry inside it), Black Machismo is odd but it's making people aware of Jay Lethal, and having Sonjay as sort of the "straight man" to Lethal's oddity is giving him a bit of character as well. And the segments with Backlund, Nash, and any of them, are pure hilarity.
VKM - Christy is still moving along. Now that the Bashams are involved, and Christy has a permanent team, this feud can get moving. As it is, it's a bit of a minor storyline and it hasn't gotten alot of TV time. As it should be.
Daniels -- this weird Sting deal is apparently on its way to happening, with his appearance at the beginning of that 3-way interview promo on Thursday. I wouldn't be too surprised to see him get involved in the title match somehow. I'm intrigued as to where they're going with this.
Joe... admittedly, has sort of gotten lost in the shuffle with Angle/Sting/Cage going on. His match against AJ for Sacrifice does seem a bit random, but don't forget all their history -- plus they were on opposite teams a month ago so there's still that. It's not like it's Joe vs. Petey Williams for no reason whatsoever.
The tag team feud between 3D and LAX continues to move along, and now we have the instant hilarity of Steiner and Tomko thrown in the mix to keep things a little fresh.
There may be a few left without solid storylines right now (Petey, Raven/Seratonin though that's almost a storyline in itself, Lance Hoyt, Ron Killings, even though they all seem to have minor roles in something or another), but considering the amount of time TNA has to work with, I think they're doing a damn good job.
Yes, I agree that some of the younger guys should be getting bigger pushes. The show SHOULD focus more on Shelley, Sabin, Joe, Senshi, Sonjay, etc., but these are mostly X-Division guys. They have their niche. The big name established stars are in the main event, and when they're trying to get new fans to come watch, that's what they need.
Put yourself in the shoes of a random joe blow wrasslin fan off the street. Would you rather see a bunch of guys you never heard of before, or perhaps one of the biggest icons in all of wrestling history getting one last run at some championship gold? Draw the fans in with the big names, introduce them to the younger generation of wrestlers, and keep them coming back. It's a solid formula, and one that will take a long time to cultivate.
I'll admit, I'd been pretty laid back on my TNA fandom a few months ago. But when I took the time to invest an hour a week into watching their product and paying attention to the storylines, I've been hooked again.
The best part? I don't have to see John Cena or Bobby Lashley shoved down my throat as an "unstoppable" champion. Christian has been a solid heel champ, but he also looks vulnerable. He's good, he knows it, but there's still the feeling that he could lose the title anytime he's in a championship match. I like that feeling of unpredictability.
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Post by Aya Reiko on May 13, 2007 5:06:23 GMT -5
I'll give you Joe/Angle, it WAS rushed a little. On the other hand, what are they supposed to do, run around yelling at each other for months before they get in the ring together? This is a wrestling company, wrestling is what these guys do when they don't like each other. Joe was miffed that Angle got such a huge ovation about coming to be the "savior" of TNA, so they get into the ring and settle things. Big deal. [/b] You just proved you have no business booking a fed. To answer your question, YES! It's called building a feud. For what reason should I have cared for Joe/Angle other that it's Joe/Angle? You don't haphazardly assemble feuds with only a minimal amount of effort while expecting big payoffs. Angle/Joe could have been HUGE for TNA. Instead they rushed it for a minimal payoff.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on May 13, 2007 14:37:15 GMT -5
I'll give you Joe/Angle, it WAS rushed a little. On the other hand, what are they supposed to do, run around yelling at each other for months before they get in the ring together? This is a wrestling company, wrestling is what these guys do when they don't like each other. Joe was miffed that Angle got such a huge ovation about coming to be the "savior" of TNA, so they get into the ring and settle things. Big deal. so there was absolutely nobody else that Angle could have faced other than Joe in his first feud he couldn't have done the logical thing and feuded with LAX (who, at the time, doing the whole "America sucks" thing) and then save the Joe feud for later?
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Post by Michael Coello on May 13, 2007 15:18:51 GMT -5
I'll give you Joe/Angle, it WAS rushed a little. On the other hand, what are they supposed to do, run around yelling at each other for months before they get in the ring together? This is a wrestling company, wrestling is what these guys do when they don't like each other. Joe was miffed that Angle got such a huge ovation about coming to be the "savior" of TNA, so they get into the ring and settle things. Big deal. so there was absolutely nobody else that Angle could have faced other than Joe in his first feud he couldn't have done the logical thing and feuded with LAX (who, at the time, doing the whole "America sucks" thing) and then save the Joe feud for later? How the hell is LAx vs Angle logical? LAX are a tag team. Kurt Angle is a singles competitor. Besides, a man who was recently a world champion trying to fight the tag team champs wouldn't sit well with too many people, as well as make zero sense at the time. Jarrett left, Steiner wasn't around, Sting had Abyss, Cage was still busy with Rhino, Raven was too busted up to fued, since he was headed toward Seretonin, AJ & Daniels were still tagging, and most of the other roster wouldn't have been as appealing as the end result: Angle vs Joe. There was no other alternative. you had a big star, and you were gonna let him go and do nothing with him because you wanted them to hold off the fued until you were ready for it and, considering some of the times TNA held on some things(James Gang Reunion, 3LK Break Up, AMW break up,etc), people would have bitched about them taking too long to make them fight.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on May 13, 2007 15:25:48 GMT -5
so there was absolutely nobody else that Angle could have faced other than Joe in his first feud he couldn't have done the logical thing and feuded with LAX (who, at the time, doing the whole "America sucks" thing) and then save the Joe feud for later? How the hell is LAx vs Angle logical? LAX are a tag team. Kurt Angle is a singles competitor. Besides, a man who was recently a world champion trying to fight the tag team champs wouldn't sit well with too many people, as well as make zero sense at the time. so there is a group of people going around say "America sucks" and having Kurt Angle, who by the way always comes out drapped in the American flag, stand up to them doesn't make sense (instead Petey Williams from Canada does that)? yeah, i guess i see your point
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on May 13, 2007 15:29:09 GMT -5
so there was absolutely nobody else that Angle could have faced other than Joe in his first feud he couldn't have done the logical thing and feuded with LAX (who, at the time, doing the whole "America sucks" thing) and then save the Joe feud for later? How the hell is LAx vs Angle logical? LAX are a tag team. Kurt Angle is a singles competitor. Besides, a man who was recently a world champion trying to fight the tag team champs wouldn't sit well with too many people, as well as make zero sense at the time. I thought it made perfect sense when they had Angle/Joe vs. LAX that time on Impact. The Olympic Gold Medalist who represented America in 96 vs. a group who despises everything about the U.S.A, it'd work I think for a couple of months.
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Post by Michael Coello on May 13, 2007 15:33:33 GMT -5
How the hell is LAx vs Angle logical? LAX are a tag team. Kurt Angle is a singles competitor. Besides, a man who was recently a world champion trying to fight the tag team champs wouldn't sit well with too many people, as well as make zero sense at the time. so there is a group of people going around say "America sucks" and having Kurt Angle, who by the way always comes out drapped in the American flag, stand up to them doesn't make sense (instead Petey Williams from Canada does that)? yeah, i guess i see your point Kurt Angle came in to fight the best out there, not to feud with a tag team cause they don't like America. Besides, we already had America's Most Wanted doing that anyway. TNA paid him a lot,supposedly, just so he can fight with LAX, who we had no beef with at all before and there was no confrontation with when he came in?
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on May 13, 2007 15:43:28 GMT -5
They could've did the slow build as Joe and Angle are teaming, then work their way towards a match a few months down the line at the very least. If you didn't think it was rushed, that's fine, but I thought it was. By year's end it would've been forgotten.
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Post by Michael Coello on May 13, 2007 15:48:54 GMT -5
How the hell is LAx vs Angle logical? LAX are a tag team. Kurt Angle is a singles competitor. Besides, a man who was recently a world champion trying to fight the tag team champs wouldn't sit well with too many people, as well as make zero sense at the time. I thought it made perfect sense when they had Angle/Joe vs. LAX that time on Impact. The Olympic Gold Medalist who represented America in 96 vs. a group who despises everything about the U.S.A, it'd work I think for a couple of months. It was suppose to be Petey/Kurt vs LAX. Kurt got thrown in after helping Petey out with an LAX ambush. After that. Angle went in alone, but Joe ran out to help. Kurt didn't even say anything during those 2 weeks. Seriously, how can you make that out for a few months, since wasn't playing "All American Hero", but was doing the "Wrestling Machine" thing. LAX just came off the AJ/Daniels fued, and were headed to AMW. You can't give Kurt a midcard feud after he was such a big main eventer a few weeks before.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on May 13, 2007 16:26:57 GMT -5
I thought it made perfect sense when they had Angle/Joe vs. LAX that time on Impact. The Olympic Gold Medalist who represented America in 96 vs. a group who despises everything about the U.S.A, it'd work I think for a couple of months. It was suppose to be Petey/Kurt vs LAX. Kurt got thrown in after helping Petey out with an LAX ambush. After that. Angle went in alone, but Joe ran out to help. Kurt didn't even say anything during those 2 weeks. Seriously, how can you make that out for a few months, since wasn't playing "All American Hero", but was doing the "Wrestling Machine" thing. LAX just came off the AJ/Daniels fued, and were headed to AMW. You can't give Kurt a midcard feud after he was such a big main eventer a few weeks before. Well, I still thought the Joe/Angle storyline was rushed, if you didn't fine. I get that you are a diehard TNA supporter, that's good and all, but rushing Angle/Joe off the bat 3 times in a row was a mistake,IMO. A feud with the tag champs wouldn't have hurt, and have him and Joe carry on the slow build towards the eventual Joe vs Angle encounter as they're feuding with LAX. But it doesn't matter now as it's gone by the wayside and I could care less for Angle or Joe at this point.
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Post by Aya Reiko on May 13, 2007 17:01:50 GMT -5
so there was absolutely nobody else that Angle could have faced other than Joe in his first feud he couldn't have done the logical thing and feuded with LAX (who, at the time, doing the whole "America sucks" thing) and then save the Joe feud for later? How the hell is LAX vs Angle logical? LAX are a tag team. Kurt Angle is a singles competitor. Besides, a man who was recently a world champion trying to fight the tag team champs wouldn't sit well with too many people, as well as make zero sense at the time. Ever heard of one vs. many feuds? Like Rock vs. DX/Regime? Someone needs a history lesson.
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