Joekishi
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Post by Joekishi on May 22, 2007 16:31:13 GMT -5
I know i'll get flack for this, but Vis is one of the most underrated enhancement guys in WWE, he's a big man who sells the offense really well, can piece spots together, and he's over enough to elicit the crowd to respond to the match.
That Leapfrog Lashley did was insane.
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Post by Tyfo on May 22, 2007 16:32:08 GMT -5
Yeah I liked the match to.
But I thought Lashley was gonna drop him on his head when he went to slam him.
I really wish they wouldnt have cut the Worlds Largest Love Machine gimmick off. I enjoyed it a lot, but apparently it got to over and they decided to cut the legs out from under it.
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EJS
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Post by EJS on May 22, 2007 16:42:30 GMT -5
If it were just a stand alone match (not part two of a gauntlet), and if Vis had been getting any kind of push at all lately (and if Lashley were getting a slightly less super-push), it would have actually been a "very good" match, instead of just "good", to me.
If there had been the drama of "who is going to win", I mean. Without that, it's merely a good filler match.
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BIG DUNC
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Post by BIG DUNC on May 22, 2007 16:48:23 GMT -5
I'm actually suprised he didnt kill viscera with that slam.
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Sajoa Moe
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Post by Sajoa Moe on May 22, 2007 17:00:09 GMT -5
Yeah I liked the match to. But I thought Lashley was gonna drop him on his head when he went to slam him. I really wish they wouldnt have cut the Worlds Largest Love Machine gimmick off. I enjoyed it a lot, but apparently it got to over and they decided to cut the legs out from under it. I much prefer Viscera as the giant monster. Especially with the theme music he had for his return. Also, a love machine named "Viscera" just doesn't sound right. |
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Post by Austin's Middle Finger on May 22, 2007 17:05:06 GMT -5
I hate when JR overshills the spinning heel kick Vis does.
I know he's a big man, but these days Vis just falls on his ass and the opponent runs into his foot. Not as impressive as it was in 1995.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on May 22, 2007 18:48:56 GMT -5
I'll say that Vis vs. Lashley was the surprise match of last night for me. Viscera made Lashley look like a million bucks.
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Hiroshi Hase
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on May 22, 2007 18:52:33 GMT -5
And the crowd was hot for Lashley all night, a lot better than the St.Louis crowd. Illinois usually has hot crowds.
Though I didn't see the Lashley/Vis match, Lashley/Shane was good also.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2007 18:55:14 GMT -5
Great match. Viscera is a SEVERELY underrated wrestler, IMO.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on May 22, 2007 18:55:53 GMT -5
And the crowd was hot for Lashley all night, a lot better than the St.Louis crowd. Illinois usually has hot crowds. Though I didn't see the Lashley/Vis match, Lashley/Shane was good also. Speaking of the crowd, there was one woman in the front row who I just couldn't take my eyes off during every single Lashley match. She was so into his every move, it was ridiculous. |
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Post by Tyfo on May 22, 2007 18:59:05 GMT -5
And the crowd was hot for Lashley all night, a lot better than the St.Louis crowd. Illinois usually has hot crowds. Though I didn't see the Lashley/Vis match, Lashley/Shane was good also. Speaking of the crowd, there was one woman in the front row who I just couldn't take my eyes off during every single Lashley match. She was so into his every move, it was ridiculous. Oh yeah, we have a thread on her... |
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Post by Swarm on May 22, 2007 18:59:51 GMT -5
I agree. Lashley doesn't get enough credit imo.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on May 22, 2007 19:00:13 GMT -5
Speaking of the crowd, there was one woman in the front row who I just couldn't take my eyes off during every single Lashley match. She was so into his every move, it was ridiculous. Oh yeah, we have a thread on her... Please direct me to said thread. |
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Post by Tyfo on May 22, 2007 19:03:09 GMT -5
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on May 22, 2007 19:05:16 GMT -5
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Post by Dr. Marzvon Zombie M.D. on May 22, 2007 19:07:10 GMT -5
And the crowd was hot for Lashley all night, a lot better than the St.Louis crowd. Illinois usually has hot crowds. Though I didn't see the Lashley/Vis match, Lashley/Shane was good also. Speaking of the crowd, there was one woman in the front row who I just couldn't take my eyes off during every single Lashley match. She was so into his every move, it was ridiculous. THAT WOMAN RUINED RAW FOR ME, forget the angles for get the blue meanie teaser that ugly ho drove me NUTS!!! |
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Joekishi
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Post by Joekishi on May 22, 2007 19:20:20 GMT -5
I'll say that Vis vs. Lashley was the surprise match of last night for me. Viscera made Lashley look like a million bucks. Seriously this just shows the difference between Carlito and Lashley as performers. Vis's job is to take the big drop from the guy, and stand there for the other wrestlers to bounce off of, he can bring it in a match. If the other guy doesn't bring it, it's more obviously the flaws of that other wrestler. Case in point, Carlito's sham of a match with Viscera. |
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Post by thesunbeast on May 22, 2007 19:56:37 GMT -5
I'll say this about Lashley, some may call him a "hoss", but he's definitely not a "gereric hoss", that's for sure. I think so many people have seen enough hugely muscular guys that had little talent that we've assumed that whenever we see a guy that has alot of musclemass that it automatically means that he's just a "generic hoss", I've heard the accusations all the time.
Lashley, in my opinion, is a phenominal athlete, phenominal. I've watched wrestling for a long enough time now wher I can see things in the ring that most people don't see, and while some guys do simple things in there and hold back on the athleticism to tell a story, I can tell by the things thay do that the're a great athlete. Except for Brock Lesnar, I believe that Lashley is the greatest bodybuilder type athlete that WWE's had in the last 10/15 years.
With that though, goes alot of panic. What do you do with a once in a lifetime prodigy like this? They'll feel like they've screwed up if Lashley dosen't get over, so that's where I think the overpush is attributed, and I think it's ruining him. I think Lashley has no physical weakness, but he just has to work on his charactor development. I like the fact that WWE built him up slowly as oppossed to giving him a "Brock" push, so I don't believe he's being "crammed down our throats" like it's been said. I think it's just another example of how everyone wants WWE to push someone, and when they do, all of a sudden he shouldn't be in the main event anymore.
I do think that WWE should drastically work on his charactor though. Why dosen't he have a catchphrase? Why did they have to use the name Lashley in the first place? I think they don't always have to use their real names. He should have been Bobby Knight or something.
I think Lashley's sqush matches should be his gimmick. He should say things like "tonight, you're getting squashed". I think they should put over how great of an athlete he is instead of talking about his power. Although I understand that he can't be doing all kinds of athletic feats in there because it wouldn't make any sense, they should have him throwing mabe a dropkick or two, but have it sold like a huge move that sends them flying across the ring, because any 270 pounder doing that would be a big thing. He shouldn't be doing hurricanranas or anything like that because it won't make sense, although I have no doubt he can do them. Like I said, I don't think Lashley has any physical weaknesses. He just needs a little stronger persona.
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Post by jaydriller on May 22, 2007 19:59:08 GMT -5
How long was this match and how did it go? Was Vis totally squashed?
And seriously.... why Vis? Seems so random since he's a jobber.
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Joie De Vivre
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Post by Joie De Vivre on May 22, 2007 20:06:00 GMT -5
I usually look forward to Visceras matches. The guy usually gives a great effort.
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helped $lim jinx NXT. Woops
