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Post by rrm15 on May 21, 2007 22:51:29 GMT -5
how can you say that brock isnt willing to take bumps or work hard he is fighting MMA now where the "bumps" are much more intense and the training/skill required is equal or greater I would argue that MMA is actually safer than wrestling. Sure you're getting hit, but their hits are guaranteed and in some cases nearly every night of the week multiple times in a single match. EDIT: If you were fresh out of college, and were a great athlete, and some offered you millions of dollars and guarenteed fame, would you take it? It would honestly depend on the offer. If it was professional wrestling and I didn't have the heart for it I likely wouldn't do it. Totally understandable, but to someone like Brock, who as far as I know really didn't know much about the business, he had to think it would be a walk in the park for someone with his credentials. He took the money and didn't look back, and why not?
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on May 21, 2007 22:52:16 GMT -5
I've said it before.
I don't mind Brock leaving the first time trying to follow his true dream. We should all be so lucky. But when he failed once and quit trying for at least a few more years. Go to the CFL, AFL, maybe another team would put him on the practice team. But no once the Vikings cut him he gave up and wanted back into wrestling.
And than what he did in other feds besides WWE made me lose respect.
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Post by Corporate H on May 21, 2007 22:56:11 GMT -5
I would argue that MMA is actually safer than wrestling. Sure you're getting hit, but their hits are guaranteed and in some cases nearly every night of the week multiple times in a single match. EDIT:It would honestly depend on the offer. If it was professional wrestling and I didn't have the heart for it I likely wouldn't do it. Totally understandable, but to someone like Brock, who as far as I know really didn't know much about the business, he had to think it would be a walk in the park for someone with his credentials. He took the money and didn't look back, and why not? Yeah, I don't really blame him too much, he's human and he's looking out for himself naturally but I think if he really didn't have the heart he just should've pursued football or MMA from the get-go. EDIT: I have a feeling he'll be back though, sometime.
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Post by jfpierce on May 21, 2007 23:04:18 GMT -5
Like most people here I distinguish between how he treated the WWE and IWGP. I don't care that he left the WWE. Some people just aren't cut out for the road schedule, and he was one of them. He doesn't owe Vince anything, and the absolutely petty lawsuit they launched against him got rid of the small amount of sympathy I had for the situation that he put them in. Holding up the IWGP belt is a totally different situation, and one that makes him look pretty terrible. Anyway, best of luck to him in MMA or whatever. He was big during a time when I was taking a break from watching wrestling so I don't really have any fond memories of him or anything.
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Post by leemir on May 21, 2007 23:10:54 GMT -5
Only reason I want him to succeed in MMA is cause it would look bad on Wrestling if another Pro Wrestler gets knocked out in MMA.
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Post by Threadkiller [Classic] on May 21, 2007 23:24:40 GMT -5
Brock Lesnar was a waste of time. All the guys who worked hard, took bumps, and took beatings to get him over, all their pain and hard work was a waste. Al Snow talked about how his body is messed up because of the bumps he took over the years. Raven called it the "bump card". You only have so many bumps in your career til your body shuts down, and that's not just in WWE, but in wrestling in general. All those wrestlers took those bumps and got hurt for Brock Lesnar, and when he left when he was on top, he spit in their face. Brock Lesnar is the reason why the young guys get ribbed. They want to see if they crack, before the road cracks them. If they're really passionate about wrestling, they won't give a crap if the veterns are riding them hard. And once they prove that they want this, they won't get hammered hard by the veterns, and they will be the ones ribbing the younger guys. And the process continues. Brock Lesnar went in, got an easy ride to the top, but the road cracked him. I do understand that he's human. But that still doesn't take away from the fact that he was the biggest waste of time in this decade. So he decides he doesn't want to be on the road 300 days a year anymore and would rather pursue his real dream (I have no doubts he only did wrestling to make a ton of money, which he did), but he's supposed to stay in wrestling just because guys worked hard to put him over? There have been a ton of guys that were enormous wastes of time that bigger number of people have worked harder to get over, only for it not to work out. Why does Brock get all the heat for walking away? He actually worked WM. He did the job. WWE has nobody to blame but themselves for creating this 21st crop of jackoffs with big egos because they get entirely too much handed to them entirely too soon. I applaud Brock for having the apples to take his ball and go home and not run his body ragged if he really didn't have a passion for the business. A man with no passion for the business being pushed to the top would only create resentment and a more hostile backstage attitude. If the entire roster bent over backwards to make him the god of wrestling, it still doesn't mean he has to stay a wrestler if he'd rather do something else. Brock made his money, had his titles. Why be on the road 300 days a year? Either way, there's no way of knowing whether the person you're pushing to the moon is going to pan out or not. You're largely taking a risk when you make a choice and put your entire company behind that choice. I'm sure if WWE knew Brock would eventually leave, they wouldn't have put all those resources into cementing him as The Next Big Thing. But they didn't know that. He was 25, so odds are they should have put two-and-two together with regards to giving everything to someone that young. But they didn't have that kind of foresight, or at least didn't give it that kind of consideration. Oh well, too bad. WWE should just be wiser about who they push.
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Post by Andrew is Good on May 21, 2007 23:42:36 GMT -5
Brock Lesnar was a waste of time. All the guys who worked hard, took bumps, and took beatings to get him over, all their pain and hard work was a waste. Al Snow talked about how his body is messed up because of the bumps he took over the years. Raven called it the "bump card". You only have so many bumps in your career til your body shuts down, and that's not just in WWE, but in wrestling in general. All those wrestlers took those bumps and got hurt for Brock Lesnar, and when he left when he was on top, he spit in their face. Brock Lesnar is the reason why the young guys get ribbed. They want to see if they crack, before the road cracks them. If they're really passionate about wrestling, they won't give a crap if the veterns are riding them hard. And once they prove that they want this, they won't get hammered hard by the veterns, and they will be the ones ribbing the younger guys. And the process continues. Brock Lesnar went in, got an easy ride to the top, but the road cracked him. I do understand that he's human. But that still doesn't take away from the fact that he was the biggest waste of time in this decade. So he decides he doesn't want to be on the road 300 days a year anymore and would rather pursue his real dream (I have no doubts he only did wrestling to make a ton of money, which he did), but he's supposed to stay in wrestling just because guys worked hard to put him over? There have been a ton of guys that were enormous wastes of time that bigger number of people have worked harder to get over, only for it not to work out. Why does Brock get all the heat for walking away? He actually worked WM. He did the job. WWE has nobody to blame but themselves for creating this 21st crop of jackoffs with big egos because they get entirely too much handed to them entirely too soon. I applaud Brock for having the apples to take his ball and go home and not run his body ragged if he really didn't have a passion for the business. A man with no passion for the business being pushed to the top would only create resentment and a more hostile backstage attitude. If the entire roster bent over backwards to make him the god of wrestling, it still doesn't mean he has to stay a wrestler if he'd rather do something else. Brock made his money, had his titles. Why be on the road 300 days a year? Either way, there's no way of knowing whether the person you're pushing to the moon is going to pan out or not. You're largely taking a risk when you make a choice and put your entire company behind that choice. I'm sure if WWE knew Brock would eventually leave, they wouldn't have put all those resources into cementing him as The Next Big Thing. But they didn't know that. He was 25, so odds are they should have put two-and-two together with regards to giving everything to someone that young. But they didn't have that kind of foresight, or at least didn't give it that kind of consideration. Oh well, too bad. WWE should just be wiser about who they push. But it did work out. The WWE found their big star, who could help bring the company back up. Who could help make money for all the wrestlers, who were also doing 300 days a year. If everyone had Brock's mentality, then there would be no industry. If everyone just got in to try to make money and that's it, and leave when they get hot like Brock did, there would be no industry. Because of him, guys who were supposed to go on leave for injury had to stay. Two of the main ones were Big Show and The Dudley Boys. They all had bad injuries, they were all tired, and they were all hurt, why couldn't they just leave? Because they wanted to help all the boys, and help out the industry, and help get guys over. Big Show's leg was smurfed, and he was supposed to take time off right after Wrestlemania. But because Brock left, he had to stay longer. Is that fair? Is it WWE's fault, partially. Yes, they shouldn't have pushed someone that quick. But Brock Lesnar shouldn't be free of fault, because he didn't want to work the schedule, and it was too hard on him. It's hard on a lot of people, but they stay in. Brock took a very selfish route I feel, and maybe if he did want to leave, then fine. But try to get someone new over. Yeah, he did the job. He was supposed to beat Goldberg, because it was his last match too. They could have had Brock maybe stay a couple of months, and put someone over big for them before leaving. But no. The only thing that mattered to Brock Lesnar was Brock Lesnar, not everyone who helped him get to where he was, and not the company who helped him make all that money. Brock Lesnar wouldn't have been shit without The Hardys taking those bumps. He wouldn't have been shit without Rock giving him the belt. He wouldn't have been shit without The Big Show and their feud. He wouldn't have been shit without Kurt Angle, and their matches. He wouldn't have been shit without The Undertaker making him look like the man. And Brock most definitely wouldn't have been shit if the WWE didn't push him, and give him that opportunity. So what does Brock do to repay them? A week before his big Wrestlemania match, he bolts, and doesn't do anything to help the company and the boys that made him a star. Do you think Brock would have been able to try his dream at football if it wasn't for the WWE? Then the least he could have done was stay a few months and put someone else over as the next big star.
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