Not Another Punk Thread! (please, serious only)

[Arturo Classico]

Anderson was only over because he was with Flair. Oh I missed the part where Arn Anderson sold out venues? Because that never happened! The only reason Arn Anderson is a legend is because of the 4 Horsemen name. Anyone could be taken seriously and possibly be main event with that name. Hell Paul Roma was a four horseman! What does that prove!

When did Arn Anderson win a world title? He didn't the best he did was the US Title while Punk won a title with World title status that was defended in England and Japan and will be a future WWE Champion. Also one of the worst 4 Horseman incarnation was with Arn as the leader and only was intreasting because of "The Loose Cannon" Brian Pillman. So yeah Anderson is over but no where as over as Punk. I mean I like him don't get me wrong but he was never a main eventer strict midcard while Punk gets chants by every crowd he gets and any gets pops lower than DX, Cena and Batista also he will be a main eventer very soon since his reaction aren't a "fluke".

While like I said Arn was only over for being in the 4 Horseman I mean he got the same pop as Mongo did! I'm so tired of hearing how great Arn was I mean he wasn't really. I would say Ole and Tully were much better then Arn!

[Andrew is Good]

The same can be said for a lot of legends in the buisness. When Arn Anderson as well retired, he got a massive reaction. I think the jealous theory is a bad one and it comes off as making an excuse for CM Punk not to listen to someone like Arn Anderson. The Four Horsemen were still a legendary tandam in wrestling, and Arn was a huge part of that, and it wasn't only Ric Flair.

I think the theory that these people are jealous as I said before are excuses to defend Punk for not listening to Arn. When someone is trying to help you, that means he sees something in you. When you blow it off, you come off as a know-it-all and arrogant, which is my theory on Punk.

[HMARK Center]

I agree to the select few CM Punk was zilch before Raven came around he was a glorified version of Chris Sabin with tatoos that it. He became a mic god after that and lets be honest in his matches versus the true IWC god Samoa Joe he carried his fat ass.

...You really don't know what you're talking about, do you?

A) Punk and Sabin could not be any more different, and that's talking about them BEFORE 2003. They wrestle completely different styles, and basically look nothing like one another.

B) To say Punk or Joe carried that series alone is, well, ludicrous. There's really nothing else to say about it. To put it simply, nobody ever had a five star match without both participants contributing heavily.

Anyway, the whole Raven issue is neither here nor there, though I suppose I could see why it would make Punk come off as a bit arrogant to some. I do agree with what another poster said before; you have Booker T and RVD, among others, who'd been in the business for ages before signing with WWE in 2001, and they had to go through a "pay your dues" time, basically.

[HMARK Center]

andrewisgood said:

The same can be said for a lot of legends in the buisness. When Arn Anderson as well retired, he got a massive reaction. I think the jealous theory is a bad one and it comes off as making an excuse for CM Punk not to listen to someone like Arn Anderson. The Four Horsemen were still a legendary tandam in wrestling, and Arn was a huge part of that, and it wasn't only Ric Flair.

I think the theory that these people are jealous as I said before are excuses to defend Punk for not listening to Arn. When someone is trying to help you, that means he sees something in you. When you blow it off, you come off as a know-it-all and arrogant, which is my theory on Punk.

I also think it's a bit premature to believe that Punk honest-to-God blew him off. My theory, and, yes, it's only a theory, is that Punk likely just disagreed with something Arn suggested, which, again, in today's WWE where many of the new guys are a green as the rolling hills of the Emerald Isle, that's likely unheard of.

For that to be taken the wrong way? Very probable, I believe.

["IcePic" Rick Cobos]

To put it simply, nobody ever had a five star match without both participants contributing heavily.

Wembley Stadium, anybody?

[frankthefrowner]

know everyones getting tired of it but eh i dont care...

Everyone keeps saying how Road Agents, such as Arn and Fit dont like him... Who cares, i dont think that has any barring on what occurs as far as his push goes. Remember everything stops with Vince, and Punk being clearly over, will make Vince Money and i dont know if you noticed Vince Likes money.

If Punk keeps being over i dont see how his attitude would have an affect on his Push...I mean they pushed the Ultimate Warrior to the moon, despite him being a complete D-Bag... Batista clearly doesnt care about the busniess but yet is over and is pushed to WHC... My Point yea Arn and Fit May not like him but there Road Agents.,..ROOOADDD AGENTS who make Vince no money, Punk however does...

[JMA]

I still think that supports of Arn and supporters of Punk each leaked this story to the dirtsheet writers, painting their guy as the victim. It would explain the different versions of the story.

[JMA]

Incidentally, WWE would improve by leaps and bounds if its corporate power-structure was dismantled. Basically, if Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Stephanie McMahon, Brian Gerwitz, Johnny Ace, Batista, and Ric Flair left (and Vince didn't compensate by bringing back old stars) then WWE would be able to get out of its slump. When Vince is put into a sink or swim situation, he always manages to swim. But without odds to overcome, he becomes decadent and unproductive. If the people I mentioned were gone, Vince would be forced to build new stars and thus have odds to overcome.