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Post by royboy8 on Jan 15, 2007 17:19:44 GMT -5
To use your analogy, the NBA and NFL is the only basketball people care about, and college and high school ball are nothing? you know your only supporting his theory when you say this right? What are the ultimate goals of the good players in high school? To play college ball. How about the good college players? To play PRO ball..... so in a sense pro ball is the wwe and college and high school are roh etc.... get my point?
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 15, 2007 18:22:15 GMT -5
I wouldn't say this is entirely true.
For starters, Samoa Joe has said, I believe, that he'd love to main event Wrestlemania at some point, but he's also been quoted as saying that the WWE, as he knows it, is not the place for him. I assume that, if it changed somewhat in the future to fit the style he prefers, he wouldn't mind going, but he's said pretty clearly that, at this moment, it isn't "for him".
Danielson, I believe, also doesn't have it that easy. For one, the best he could likely hope for would be a developmental deal. Secondly, to say he's "a call to Shawn Michaels" away isn't entirely accurate, as it's not Shawn who'd get much of a say in whether or not he gets hired. Now, Danielson HAS been offered a developmental deal in the past, but, given Johnny Ace's new hiring practices, I don't think it's likely he'll get much more than that any time soon.
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Post by CT LFC Fan on Jan 15, 2007 19:28:42 GMT -5
To use your analogy, the NBA and NFL is the only basketball people care about, and college and high school ball are nothing? you know your only supporting his theory when you say this right? What are the ultimate goals of the good players in high school? To play college ball. How about the good college players? To play PRO ball..... so in a sense pro ball is the wwe and college and high school are roh etc.... get my point? Thanks for your help. I was trying to say ROH and TNA are the minors, and this guy did seem to be saying the same. Here's something I just read that no less of an authority than Eric Bischoff said (see EricBischoff.com): ..."The problem is that Brian’s taste and point of view don’t pay the bills. That way of thinking makes Brian and those fans like him feel like they are superior to the “masses” because they belong to some special group that is smarter than the vast majority of the wrestling audience, and therefore know what is best for those who just don’t get it. The TRUTH is that the vast majority of the audience enjoys the product. How do I know? Because the audience tells us so every week when they vote with their remote! If the product was as bad as some would have you think, you wouldn’t see WWE programming among the highest rated programs on all cable television. Year in and year out. And as long as that’s the case, there will be a variety of styles and presentations for us ALL to enjoy. Don’t get me wrong, I see a lot of things that just don’t suit MY tastes. But that’s just it. It’s MY taste. Not necessarily the same taste or choice of the mass audience. I like analogies so lets try this one: Imagine that you decide to treat your family to a Sunday Brunch at a well-known hotel. You get to the hotel and make your way to the dining area to survey the unique offerings you have looked forward to sampling. But the only thing you find is various exotic cheese and German sausage. Why? Well the new chef LOVES European cheese and German sausage and decided that since HE spent years learning to be a chef (well not really…but HE read a lot and talked to a lot of ACTUAL chefs and knows all the terminology), HE decided that we should also love exotic cheese and German sausage and be thrilled with the menu." I think he's capture how I feel. The IWC seems to think that unless you like some wrestler from Japan with 4 slient Qs in his name who wrestles for ROH, you're not a "real" fan. Obviously, anyone who's been exposed to their "superior" product would have to like them above all other promotions.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 15, 2007 19:42:50 GMT -5
Aaaaaaaand...NOW I've stopped taking you seriously.
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Post by "IcePic" Rick Cobos on Jan 15, 2007 19:46:30 GMT -5
Aaaaaaaand...NOW I've stopped taking you seriously. Admit it Hmark: Bischoff > you
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Post by CT LFC Fan on Jan 15, 2007 19:49:54 GMT -5
Aaaaaaaand...NOW I've stopped taking you seriously. I'd expect no less from a Mets fan. Go Red Sox! I'm so glad that 2004 happened, so now we can be far more cocky and arrogant than we were when we were 86 years without a world championship and counting.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 15, 2007 19:58:06 GMT -5
Aaaaaaaand...NOW I've stopped taking you seriously. I'd expect no less from a Mets fan. Go Red Sox! I'm so glad that 2004 happened, so now we can be far more cocky and arrogant than we were when we were 86 years without a world championship and counting. Sorry, beating the crappy-ass St. Louis Cardinals (they STILL suck!) doesn't absolve you of 1986. That ghost ain't goin' NOWHERE. In all seriousness, though, I don't like the kind of point you were making. "The IWC" doesn't think anything, since the "IWC" as you personally identify it doesn't exist.There is an internet wrestling community, and it discusses varying opinions and thoughts on the wrestling business. There's no uniform set of beliefs, no strict adherence to any codes or some such nonsense, or anything saying "Like Puro-Wrestler-X, or get out." There are just fans who have higher expectations for wrestling than what the WWE usually serves up. You use the restaurant example to make your point, but you're ignoring that there are tons of different styles of non-WWE wrestling out there, from great technical work, to comedy style, to high flying, to brawling, to everything in between. Hell, like I said before, part of why I love ROH so much is because they usually offer all those styles at least once on each card. It's a matter of taste. Call it "refined" or whatever, but some people can't tolerate the "taste" of WWE's product. To them, the WWE is most certainly NOT the "only wrestling that matters".
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Post by CT LFC Fan on Jan 15, 2007 20:18:00 GMT -5
I'd expect no less from a Mets fan. Go Red Sox! I'm so glad that 2004 happened, so now we can be far more cocky and arrogant than we were when we were 86 years without a world championship and counting. Sorry, beating the crappy-ass St. Louis Cardinals (they STILL suck!) doesn't absolve you of 1986. That ghost ain't goin' NOWHERE. In all seriousness, though, I don't like the kind of point you were making. "The IWC" doesn't think anything, since the "IWC" as you personally identify it doesn't exist.There is an internet wrestling community, and it discusses varying opinions and thoughts on the wrestling business. There's no uniform set of beliefs, no strict adherence to any codes or some such nonsense, or anything saying "Like Puro-Wrestler-X, or get out." There are just fans who have higher expectations for wrestling than what the WWE usually serves up. You use the restaurant example to make your point, but you're ignoring that there are tons of different styles of non-WWE wrestling out there, from great technical work, to comedy style, to high flying, to brawling, to everything in between. Hell, like I said before, part of why I love ROH so much is because they usually offer all those styles at least once on each card. It's a matter of taste. Call it "refined" or whatever, but some people can't tolerate the "taste" of WWE's product. To them, the WWE is most certainly NOT the "only wrestling that matters". The restaurant analogy wasn't mine, it was Eric Bischoff's. That's why it those 3 paragraphs or so were in quotation marks. I just agreed with it. I know we'll have to agree to disagree, but I hear a lot of elitism here. People who like ROH or TNA...or just flat out hate WWE are constantly (at the very least) knocking the product I and many others enjoy. I mean, thisis an all purpose wrestling board. There have to be 3 or 4 peeps here who like the E like me. And I really do feel they are the one and only major wrestling promotion in the USA.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2007 20:20:37 GMT -5
Sorry, beating the crappy-ass St. Louis Cardinals (they STILL suck!) doesn't absolve you of 1986. That ghost ain't goin' NOWHERE. In all seriousness, though, I don't like the kind of point you were making. "The IWC" doesn't think anything, since the "IWC" as you personally identify it doesn't exist.There is an internet wrestling community, and it discusses varying opinions and thoughts on the wrestling business. There's no uniform set of beliefs, no strict adherence to any codes or some such nonsense, or anything saying "Like Puro-Wrestler-X, or get out." There are just fans who have higher expectations for wrestling than what the WWE usually serves up. You use the restaurant example to make your point, but you're ignoring that there are tons of different styles of non-WWE wrestling out there, from great technical work, to comedy style, to high flying, to brawling, to everything in between. Hell, like I said before, part of why I love ROH so much is because they usually offer all those styles at least once on each card. It's a matter of taste. Call it "refined" or whatever, but some people can't tolerate the "taste" of WWE's product. To them, the WWE is most certainly NOT the "only wrestling that matters". The restaurant analogy wasn't mine, it was Eric Bischoff's. That's why it those 3 paragraphs or so were in quotation marks. I just agreed with it. I know we'll have to agree to disagree, but I hear a lot of elitism here. People who like ROH or TNA...or just flat out hate WWE are constantly (at the very least) knocking the product I and many others enjoy. I mean, thisis an all purpose wrestling board. There have to be 3 or 4 peeps here who like the E like me. And I really do feel they are the one and only major wrestling promotion in the USA. But in this instance, define "Major."
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