Return to Kayfabe?

[Arturo Classico]

It seems lately that the old kayfabe is coming back and the new fans coming are the same marks that buy into whatever the company is telling them. This sort of like were back in the eighties when people bought this crap. I don't know if this is a really good idea to be honest? I think this might cause WWE to go back to the times of the 1993-1997 era and its just horrible!

Also you look at TNA it's basically WCW from back than and is not an alternative lately and is WWE-lite and they follow kayfabe as well.

I guess what I want to ask is do you think they're could be a promotion in the future could gain popularity by doing the opposite of both these comapnies like ECW did back in the day? Something that is a true alternative? That offers the things TNA and WWE should be delivering on and just failing out?

[akkountent]

We watch to be entertained. We don't tune in for reality of someone being the same on screen and in real life. Kayfabe is what puts the "E" in WWE and puts us on our butts at home watching it. Even ECW back in its golden days of 1995 - 1998 had kayfabe.

[kickassforumguyme]

This is Kayfabe!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1IolnVFoSY

Look at the hatred towards Andre, even the fatass 40 year old women into the crowd is into it!

[Arturo Classico]

akkountent said:

We watch to be entertained. We don't tune in for reality of someone being the same on screen and in real life. Kayfabe is what puts the "E" in WWE and puts us on our butts at home watching it. Even ECW back in its golden days of 1995 - 1998 had kayfabe.

Yeah thats true I guess but ECW had a diffrent form and tried to espose Kayfabe to the public so they wouldn't be blind sheep! WWE is just so idiotic now!

[The Boss]

kingsofwrestling said:

akkountent said:

We watch to be entertained. We don't tune in for reality of someone being the same on screen and in real life. Kayfabe is what puts the "E" in WWE and puts us on our butts at home watching it. Even ECW back in its golden days of 1995 - 1998 had kayfabe.

Yeah thats true I guess but ECW had a diffrent form and tried to espose Kayfabe to the public so they wouldn't be blind sheep! WWE is just so idiotic now!

The breaking of kayfabe was the worst thing to ever happen to pro wrestling. The WWF should do whatever it takes to restore it. However, with that being said, it is up to us, the fans, to ensure that pro wrestling's history does not become forgotten or rewritten as Vince McMahon likes to do so.

[Legion]

Although there was debate last time someone mentioned it, i am a big believer in the cyclical theory; that wrestling gets a high spot every ten years or so and the years in between are a bit crap.

In the late 80's early 90's we had Hulkamania.
Following that we had the 'Federation years' of 1993-97
Then it got popular with the Attitude era from 1998-2001
After Invasion and without competition the WWE lapsed and is just starting to come out of that lapse now, i think, with the popularity of people like Cena, who are bringing the kids in, just as i was brought in by Hulkamania, stopped watching and got attitude for teenage years.

I guess its something we shall have to see if im right about, but i feel i am.

[Cyno]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with keeping kayfabe. You NEED it in order to have any interesting angles or promos on a regular basis in a worked environment like pro wrestling. Even Ring of Honor keeps some form of kayfabe around.

If you don't want any kayfabe whatsoever, watch an MMA league like UFC or PRIDE.

[Tea & Crumpets]

If you wnat to compare mdoern feds to 90's feds, I'd say its
WWE- WWE
WCW- TNA
ECW- ROH

[Handsome Halfbreed]

onyx said:

There's absolutely nothing wrong with keeping kayfabe. You NEED it in order to have any interesting angles or promos on a regular basis in a worked environment like pro wrestling. Even Ring of Honor keeps some form of kayfabe around.

If you don't want any kayfabe whatsoever, watch an MMA league like UFC or PRIDE.

First off, UFC and PRIDE have recently been as pre-determined, choreographed, fake, etc. as wrestling. The thing is, its just unnaccepted to call it out on it. Because the fighters and bookers have done their job to make it seem real and legit. UFC etc, is what prowrestling was back before the early eighties. Wrestling back then still had credibility of being a real event.

But of course you need kayfabe but its stuff like Cena's injury going into RR or LAX beating up a Dudley family member that make it seem outdated and impossible for the modern fan to buy into.

[Suck it Trebek!]

mongobeefhead said:

onyx said:

There's absolutely nothing wrong with keeping kayfabe. You NEED it in order to have any interesting angles or promos on a regular basis in a worked environment like pro wrestling. Even Ring of Honor keeps some form of kayfabe around.

If you don't want any kayfabe whatsoever, watch an MMA league like UFC or PRIDE.

First off, UFC and PRIDE have recently been as pre-determined, choreographed, fake, etc. as wrestling. The thing is, its just unnaccepted to call it out on it. Because the fighters and bookers have done their job to make it seem real and legit. UFC etc, is what prowrestling was back before the early eighties. Wrestling back then still had credibility of being a real event.

But of course you need kayfabe but its stuff like Cena's injury going into RR or LAX beating up a Dudley family member that make it seem outdated and impossible for the modern fan to buy into.

So the guys don't really get KTFO and are okay with bones, noses, etc.. being broken?
Wow, learn something new everyday

[The Boss]

legion said:

Although there was debate last time someone mentioned it, i am a big believer in the cyclical theory; that wrestling gets a high spot every ten years or so and the years in between are a bit crap.

In the late 80's early 90's we had Hulkamania.
Following that we had the 'Federation years' of 1993-97
Then it got popular with the Attitude era from 1998-2001
After Invasion and without competition the WWE lapsed and is just starting to come out of that lapse now, i think, with the popularity of people like Cena, who are bringing the kids in, just as i was brought in by Hulkamania, stopped watching and got attitude for teenage years.

I guess its something we shall have to see if im right about, but i feel i am.

Your theory lacks sufficient data in order to be credible. You've only mentioned two boom periods, (80s and 90s). To test if it is a simple 10 or so year cycle we must look further back to see when the previous boom period accured. The 1950s.

"Gorgeous" George Wagner was the big star. His flamboyant personality and outlandishly colorful ring attire made him stand out from all others. Fans really took to him. Not just fans of pro wrestling, but casual fans would tune in to watch pro wrestling as well. While this boom period cannot compare to the booms of the 80s and 90s, it was by far the most popular pro wrestling had been to date.

It was another 30 years before pro wrestling would experience another boom. HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN brought pro wrestling to the main stream in the 80s and then to new heights by popularizing WCW and creating the Monday Night war.

Therefore your 10 year cycle theory doesn't fit. It seems that you must wait for the proper talent to arrive. It cannot be created on demand.

[kickassforumguyme]

UFC is scripted?

[ghettooverlord]

kickassforumguyme said:

UFC is scripted?

Yeah, I wanna hear this myself. -.-

[-Lithium-]

Nah, I like it the way it is now. Where wrestlers dont really break character on the show, but can still act like themselves outside the ring. It looked so gay and made wrestling look real stupid when Taker was on that Regis and Kathy Lee show and he was in character...

[Nuke is Good]

ghettooverlord said:

kickassforumguyme said:

UFC is scripted?

Yeah, I wanna hear this myself. -.-

ITS STILL REAL TO ME DAMNIT!

[Handsome Halfbreed]

I don't really have the energy to get in this argument again but just wait and see 10 years from now everyone will be talking about how everyone thought MMA was real.