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Post by -Lithium- on Mar 14, 2007 3:29:32 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8fMCFwluoA&mode=related&search=Right before Survivor Series 91. I just watched it and seriously, I hate the way Hogan "got the fans involved" by looking at them and then pointing at something like they didnt just see it or something, for real its just way over the top and dumb...
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Post by carter 15 on Mar 14, 2007 4:02:38 GMT -5
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Post by pathogen on Mar 14, 2007 7:43:00 GMT -5
Hogan in general is "way over the top and dumb".
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Post by randomranter on Mar 14, 2007 7:47:59 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8fMCFwluoA&mode=related&search=Right before Survivor Series 91. I just watched it and seriously, I hate the way Hogan "got the fans involved" by looking at them and then pointing at something like they didnt just see it or something, for real its just way over the top and dumb... and, in 1991, it worked. People need to stop judging old wrestlers, promos, etc. by today's standards. It was much different in 1991 than it is in 2007. What worked in 1991 would never fly today, and I'm sure some of the more successful gimmics of the past couple of years would have been complete flops back then too. Different era, different standards. |
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Post by Cousin Judge on Mar 14, 2007 7:54:49 GMT -5
Yeah Hogan was dumb and got a hell of a lot more people watching, now the audience is less than half of what it used to be but at least it's not "dumb" eh.
While we're on the subject, that boxer Casius Clay, he was a idiot.
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Post by skskillz on Mar 14, 2007 8:01:03 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8fMCFwluoA&mode=related&search=Right before Survivor Series 91. I just watched it and seriously, I hate the way Hogan "got the fans involved" by looking at them and then pointing at something like they didnt just see it or something, for real its just way over the top and dumb... Considering you were 2 years old when this angle happened, you really have no place to talk about what "looked dumb" back then. Seriously, is it so hard for people to factor time when talking about something? I mean, it would be easier to simply not talk about something you weren't around to see, but that's never going to happen here. That would be like me saying "Gee, those 1970's matches sucked! How can the crowd pop for that?". Duh, I wasn't around to see it, who am I to judge it? |
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Mar 14, 2007 8:04:36 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8fMCFwluoA&mode=related&search=Right before Survivor Series 91. I just watched it and seriously, I hate the way Hogan "got the fans involved" by looking at them and then pointing at something like they didnt just see it or something, for real its just way over the top and dumb... Considering you were 2 years old when this angle happened, you really have no place to talk about what "looked dumb" back then. Seriously, is it so hard for people to factor time when talking about something? I mean, it would be easier to simply not talk about something you weren't around to see, but that's never going to happen here. That would be like me saying "Gee, those 1970's matches sucked! How can the crowd pop for that?". Duh, I wasn't around to see it, who am I to judge it? It's really not that hard of a concept to grasp. I don't call Dusty Rhodes a dancing fat load with an effeminate lisp just because I never saw him in his NWA glory....I know that it happened, I know how over he was, that's enough for me, I don't have to question it. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2007 8:46:22 GMT -5
Man, severe mark-out moments there.
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Post by skskillz on Mar 14, 2007 8:56:02 GMT -5
It's really not that hard of a concept to grasp. I don't call Dusty Rhodes a dancing fat load with an effeminate lisp just because I never saw him in his NWA glory....I know that it happened, I know how over he was, that's enough for me, I don't have to question it. Exactly. That's what irritates me about some fans. Always using today's standards to judge things that happened 10, 20, 30 years ago. It's pointless. |
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Post by Sawylent White on Mar 14, 2007 9:18:50 GMT -5
I love this whole segment--especially Hogan gyrating and clutching the crucifix while on the ground at the end. So over-the-top, but great. Also, the complete awesomeness of Taker no-selling chair shots--he was so sick back then.
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Post by Jiren on Mar 14, 2007 9:23:15 GMT -5
I actually prefer stuff from back then to today
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Post by Loki on Mar 14, 2007 9:56:02 GMT -5
The Funeral Parlor was really great and, I dare to say, groundbreaking back in the day. That segment with Flair confronting Hogan, and expressing pretty sensible opinions too, is a bona fide classic. It had ALL it needed: a long time due and anticipated face-to-face between the two icons of pro-wrestling, two belts, and the third man... Great storytelling there, even if it may look cheesy for todays standards... but we do cream our pants if the Rock's blabbing about monkey penises... Or if Austin's acting badass and whatnot albeit he's the guest ref for a match about two (im)mature billionaires... You see... the idea of dumbness is very subjective  I'd take 80s dumb over Attitude Era and Post-Attitude Era dumb anyday |
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Post by JoshWoodrumGreaterThanHBK on Mar 14, 2007 10:05:51 GMT -5
i'd like to see a 1980'2 style charecter come back to main stream wrestling... on an efed i use a chracter called AmeriKen who is the masked all american super hero
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Post by amsiraK on Mar 14, 2007 10:12:47 GMT -5
The video for this is now gone, but I remember this... and I can't argue with either side. I did feel that much of what Hogan did was dumb, but that was the order of the day. Cartoony nonsense was big in the 80s and no one was cartoonier than Hogan... unless it was the Undertaker.
Hey, we've all said it - that character would have been nothing but a joke but for the effort he put into it.
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Post by skskillz on Mar 14, 2007 10:27:15 GMT -5
Putting the angle in perspective: Hogan was up against a guy named "Paul Bearer" and a zombie that had risen from the dead (or whatever Taker was supposed to be). I think at that point, being cartoony was not something the WWF was worried about. That's what sold back then, and that's what they did. The fact that Taker is still around (and main eventing) is a testament to how great Calloway (sp?) is.
In hindsight, I think the Hogan/Taker feud was rushed a bit, but very entertaining feud nonetheless.
And yes, I'd also take "cheesy" '80's stuff over the Attitude Era and anything out today, and that includes most forms of entertainment (wrestling, movies, sitcoms, etc).
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Post by Warwolf on Mar 16, 2007 0:10:43 GMT -5
Wrestling back then was wrestling, not 'Sports entertainment', and I think that's part of what made it so great. Plus, again, you had Hogan and Flair, in their prime...or at least close to his prime in Flair's case, both world titles on one show, plus the buildup for Hogan/Taker, and Randy, Roddy, a fat guy with a high pitched voice and a spooky interview set.
Back then interview shows looked like they were supposed to BE something in the WWF, unlike in the WWE where most shows look like a ripoff of the HighLight Reel, which was in and of itself only halfway decent.
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Post by Albino Heat on Mar 16, 2007 0:32:50 GMT -5
The Hogan one was pretty cool, but it was the Warrior's trip to the parlor that really put the Undertaker on the map. I saw that when I was 9, and it made me a Taker fan for life.
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 16, 2007 2:17:27 GMT -5
That segment, leading to Survivor Series '91, was legendary.
Really, for it's time, there was something strong about it. First off, you had the unavoidable, first time confrontation between Hogan and Flair, which in and of itself is something that should always be remembered.
Secondly, however, you had the Undertaker as a character.
Allow me for a second to explain the significance of the Undertaker, from the point of view of someone who was watching the product at the time as a 6 year old:
I disagree with many here, RD included, about the potential "Wrestlecrappiness" of the Undertaker. I appreciate that, in the wrong hands, or with the wrong set of bookers, a character meant to have the "powers of the dead" (or whatever) could've been an absolute joke, but the fact was that absolutely NO wrestler at that time (1990-1991) had the air of mystery about him that the Taker had.
In a time when all wrestlers gave loud, shouting, insane promos (see: Savage, Randy; Flair, Ric; Piper, Roddy; Hogan, Hulk; etc.), Taker was quiet, dark, and brooding. While he did have that "invincibility" thing going, where he'd rise from big time attacks, they also never outright said "he's a zombie!", or "he's supernatural!". Rather, he was this mysterious, but still human, figure.
When he reached down and ripped the cross off Hogan's chest, it was a big moment; it was a sort of "growing up" moment, when, for children, at least, it felt like a dark cloud had fallen over an otherwise bright and cartoony world.
Add in Hogan's promo that he had a couple of weeks after this (where he finally explained "what the red and the yellow really mean"), and the whole angle just felt very ahead of it's time.
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