finishing move or no?

[mat7h3w]

When certain wrestlers do their trademark move, such as Shawn's sweet chin music, its normally considered a match ender. It's considered so devastating that the opponent can no longer continue after receiving the move.

However, when the same or similar move is done by a different wrestler its not considered to be some devastating match ender. A good example of this is when Shawn Michaels does the Macho Man elbow drop from the top rope.

Should a finishing move always be considered a match ending move, regardless of who performs it? If not, what is it about the move when its performed by a certain individual that makes it so devastating and not when its applied by someone else?

Are there any instances of where you have seen a wrestler apply another superstars finisher, where you actually thought they performed the move better than the wrestler that the move is a trademark finisher for?

[heffer111]

I mean, everyones finishing move is just a variation of a basic move. Which would mean the match should end after any move, which is realistic terms, they should.

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No, a chokeslam from the Hurricane and a chokeslam from the Big Show/Kane/Undertaker are two completely different things.

The move is all about the aura of the guy using it and how well they do it. Billy Gunn did a Jackhammer in matches all the time but, he had a vastly use of it from Goldy. Same with Jake Roberts and Raven's DDTs and the rest. They set up everything for the DDT and the crowd knows it. That is why their DDTs get a huge reaction where as Kenny Dykstra or Carlito doing one will not.

[mat7h3w]

How about in the case of 2 superstars who both perform the same finisher? Like in the case of Sting and Bret Hart. Would sting tap out to the Sharpshooter? Would Bret Hart tap out to the Scorpion Leg Lock?

And what if someone like Carlito did the short closeline and hand signal before a DDT like Jake the Snake used to do?

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mat7h3w said:

How about in the case of 2 superstars who both perform the same finisher? Like in the case of Sting and Bret Hart. Would sting tap out to the Sharpshooter? Would Bret Hart tap out to the Scorpion Leg Lock?

I believe Sting tapped or passed out (may have not been clean) when he and Hart were in WCW.

[Loki]

mat7h3w said:

And what if someone like Carlito did the short closeline and hand signal before a DDT like Jake the Snake used to do?

Half of the crowd would have no idea about the moce and the signal-

The other half wouldn't accept it...

Some would try to start a riot

[emoney3265]

It can be understandable at times. If the match has lasted quite awhile then yea it should end it reguardless who did the move. Then if it's earlier in a match like 15 minutes in then no it should not end it. The guy who is trademarked for it pretty much is "better" at doing the move and more experienced.

PS. I hope Cena.... SCM's HBK. That is actually unpredictable.

[BHB]

I think that guys should be allowed to use variations of similair moves.

It can be explained in Kayfabe as long as they are slightly different.

[mat7h3w]

Is Cena even flexible enough to do a SCM?

[gary17]

Yeah, I remember as a kid always wondering why Jake "the snake's" DDT knocked people out and it didn't whenever someone else did it. Another one I had, doesn't really have to do with a move specifically but more about chair shots and hitting someone with the champs belt...I know its been mentioned on here before in a different thread but how freakin annoying is it when one night a guy can get knocked out cold with one half effort of a chair shot, then the following sunday night at a PPV he can withstand 3 or four or sometimes a dozen?

[Funkyjumbo]

Eugene Stunner seems to still finish people off, shouldn't now that someone is back, they should go and have a word with him with a beer or two?

[mrchimpus]

Other people just do it better than others. That's why Jakes DDT will knock people out while others can't. Let's face it, if you can do a ddt as well as jake, then you can end the match.

[DrBackflipsHoffman]

PS. I hope Cena.... SCM's HBK. That is actually unpredictable.

He could probably kick HBK out of the arena if he pumped up his big 80's Reeboks before it

[A Platypus Rave]

drbackflipshoffman said:

PS. I hope Cena.... SCM's HBK. That is actually unpredictable.

He could probably kicm HBK out of the arena if he pumped up his big 80's Reeboks before it

That would be Awesome!

[steamboat1]

mrchimpus said:

Other people just do it better than others. That's why Jakes DDT will knock people out while others can't. Let's face it, if you can do a ddt as well as jake, then you can end the match.

Kayfabe this is what I attribute it to. I think of it more as a Signature move than a finisher. They do that move in every match and have done it hundreds if not thousands of times. They would know how to perform the move so well that it delivers maximum impact and thus being able to end the match as opposed to a guy using the move once every so often or occasionally.

[Se7en: Horse That Wrote Poems]

I think we are basically deciding the dictionary definition difference between the idea of a "finishing move" (a move that ends matches or at least is expected to end matches) and a "signature manuever" (a move or series of moves used regularly by a wrestler that distinguishes his moveset from another wrestler's but does not usually lead to the end of a match).

[Crappler El 0 M]

It's a convention of wrestling. You have to suspend disbelief.