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Post by PTBartman on Mar 8, 2007 10:25:00 GMT -5
I love how quick the Hulkamaniacs come to the aid of their orange hero. Hogan himself could come out and say someone outdrew him, and they would tell Hogan he was wrong about it. Not that Hogan would ever do that, as I am sure he would tell us that Hulk Hogan and the Wrestling Boot Band outsold thriller if we asked him. You could take out Hogan's name and put any wrestler and you'd have his fan following doing that. There are plenty of Rock, Austin, HBK, HHH, etc. fans here, and they come to the aid of their fave wrestler in a lot of discussions, is that bad? I love how quick the Whipwreckamaniacs come to the aid of their diminutive hero. Whipwreck himself could come out and say someone outdrew him, and they would tell Whipwreck he was wrong about it. Not that Whipwreck would ever do that, as I am sure he would tell us that Mikey Whipwreck and the Wrestling Super Whippersnapper Band outsold thriller if we asked him. Hmmm you're right, it would work...
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Mar 8, 2007 10:27:26 GMT -5
You could take out Hogan's name and put any wrestler and you'd have his fan following doing that. There are plenty of Rock, Austin, HBK, HHH, etc. fans here, and they come to the aid of their fave wrestler in a lot of discussions, is that bad? It's not bad. It's not true either though, IMO. If you mean that fans don't come to their favorite wrestler's defense, whenever someone is bashing them or whatever, then that's true. It goes like that for nearly all the wrestlers in WWE and TNA. I'm sure you have a favorite that if someone bashed, you'd probably say something in their defense. It's been going like that for some time now, nothing new.
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Post by willywonka666 on Mar 8, 2007 10:42:13 GMT -5
Yea, I'll admit I probably wouldn't have writen anything if the article said Hogan was a bigger draw, but there are some compelling arguments,and I honestly do think it was only brought up by JR now because the E is petty as hell-I remember when he took shots at Hogan in his Raw collumn which just seemed petty and lame
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Post by amsiraK on Mar 8, 2007 10:44:39 GMT -5
Yea, I'll admit I probably wouldn't have writen anything if the article said Hogan was a bigger draw, but there are some compelling arguments,and I honestly do think it was only brought up by JR now because the E is petty as hell-I remember when he took shots at Hogan in his Raw collumn which just seemed petty and lame "Petty" has become their stock in trade lately. I think it's just silly. There's no need to spin things to make people look bad. Be the bigger man, and all that.
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Post by Mr. Zombie on Mar 8, 2007 10:45:17 GMT -5
I'm not some loyal hulk fan by any means.....actually, it doesn't matter if I am or not. I was just stating the facts. Fact is Austin made more money than Hogan because he had twice the amount of pay per views to do so, and was on during prime time television and could leech viewers off of another competing wrestling show. There's no way around that. But like I said, two different eras, so you can't even really compare the two. So, you know, the whole over exagerration of Hogan fans is kind of null and void here.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Mar 8, 2007 10:47:17 GMT -5
Yea, I'll admit I probably wouldn't have writen anything if the article said Hogan was a bigger draw, but there are some compelling arguments,and I honestly do think it was only brought up by JR now because the E is petty as hell-I remember when he took shots at Hogan in his Raw collumn which just seemed petty and lame "Petty" has become their stock in trade lately. I think it's just silly. There's no need to spin things to make people look bad. Be the bigger man, and all that. I dunno, I think Vince decided to never be the bigger man once he started the InVasion.
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Post by willywonka666 on Mar 8, 2007 10:47:24 GMT -5
I'm not some loyal hulk fan by any means.....actually, it doesn't matter if I am or not. I was just stating the facts. Fact is Austin made more money than Hogan because he had twice the amount of pay per views to do so, and was on during prime time television and could leech viewers off of another competing wrestling show. There's no way around that. But like I said, two different eras, so you can't even really compare the two. So, you know, the whole over exagerration of Hogan fans is kind of null and void here. That is an excellent point, it is like comparing apples to oranges, and really it's not meant to be a competition per se, but I have a feeling this isn't the last time we'll hear about this from Ross, I really expect him to mutter it at WM when Austin hits the ring
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Post by willywonka666 on Mar 8, 2007 10:48:21 GMT -5
"Petty" has become their stock in trade lately. I think it's just silly. There's no need to spin things to make people look bad. Be the bigger man, and all that. I dunno, I think Vince decided to never be the bigger man once he started the InVasion. "BE A MAN VINCE!!"
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Post by amsiraK on Mar 8, 2007 10:56:29 GMT -5
"Petty" has become their stock in trade lately. I think it's just silly. There's no need to spin things to make people look bad. Be the bigger man, and all that. I dunno, I think Vince decided to never be the bigger man once he started the InVasion. Totally true. He took a dip in the Petty Pool and decided he liked the temperature back then. And I don't get it. Doesn't it make him and his look terrible to act like this? Doesn't everyone know it's just him being a dick? It's not as if Wrestling Historians in the future will look back and say "Gee, Vince was right. The WCW guys really sucked! Look how they lose to the WWF guys!"
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Post by Maxnificent on Mar 8, 2007 11:30:55 GMT -5
Orange? 1990 called, they want their lame insult back. What's next, gonna call WWE "The Whiff?" Hardy har har.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 8, 2007 11:48:04 GMT -5
Of course Austin is the better drawer, he looks like he could hold your silverware, utensils, and knicknacks, etc no problem.
Hogan is probably the superior cabinent, if you want to store canned goods, ramen noodles, etc, look no further than Hogan.
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Post by T.J. "the Crippler" Stevens on Mar 8, 2007 11:51:53 GMT -5
I always liked both guys so I don't take the Jim Ross comment as an insult to anyone. It's just a fact. Those Austin T-shirts sold like wildfire, the arenas were always jammed full, and the television ratings are there to prove it. It doesn't denigrate anything that Hogan did. They were both on top at completely different times.
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Post by ronsimmons on Mar 8, 2007 12:00:00 GMT -5
Woo-hoo! F you Hogan you parasite.
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Post by Zombie Mod on Mar 8, 2007 12:16:20 GMT -5
Yea, I'll admit I probably wouldn't have writen anything if the article said Hogan was a bigger draw, but there are some compelling arguments,and I honestly do think it was only brought up by JR now because the E is petty as hell-I remember when he took shots at Hogan in his Raw collumn which just seemed petty and lame "Petty" has become their stock in trade lately. I think it's just silly. There's no need to spin things to make people look bad. Be the bigger man, and all that. great now i have an image of vince and hogan as beavis and butthead argueing over who is the "bigger man" while laughing like morons........... why i dont know must be how my mind works.
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Post by amsiraK on Mar 8, 2007 12:32:15 GMT -5
Of course Austin is the better drawer, he looks like he could hold your silverware, utensils, and knicknacks, etc no problem. Hogan is probably the superior cabinent, if you want to store canned goods, ramen noodles, etc, look no further than Hogan. He does seem broader through the chest. Maybe he could hold some of the taller pieces of Tupperware.
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Post by MoleMan on Mar 8, 2007 12:52:58 GMT -5
He says Austin outdrew Hogan for one year. Good for him. Hogan was on top from 1985-1992 in the WWF, and I'm sure he did just fine for himself practically running WCW. Yeah but the Only reason Austin had a short time on top was because of injuries.
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Post by willywonka666 on Mar 8, 2007 12:53:57 GMT -5
I always liked both guys so I don't take the Jim Ross comment as an insult to anyone. It's just a fact. Those Austin T-shirts sold like wildfire, the arenas were always jammed full, and the television ratings are there to prove it. It doesn't denigrate anything that Hogan did. They were both on top at completely different times. Do you think JR would have brought up this fact if Hogan was on good terms with the E and Austin wasn't?
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Post by Cousin Judge on Mar 8, 2007 13:40:37 GMT -5
You have to take inflation into account and the market. Hogan was a family draw, he was aimed at kids who didn't have their own money. You could have 8,000,000 Hulkamaniacs who are 8 years old and 500,000 Austinites who are 17 and because the 17 year olds have their Saturday job at Subway and Burger King they'll spend more money and buy more merchendise on their guys stuff. So not only do you have to take into account inflation also the average age of the fans and the size of the potential market at the time.
It's like if Bill Gates died tomorrow and in 10 years time Microsoft shares are higher than they are now and saying "See look Mr New Guy is a better business than Gates, he's made more money".
If in 1984 if WWE had 12 PPV's 5 hours of original TV time per week, a PLC with tens of millions of dollars in reserve and the ability to market their TV shows to anyone anywhere in the world, I sudder to think what they could have made. Difference is Austin had that and Hogan was the one who created it.
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Post by skskillz on Mar 8, 2007 13:48:43 GMT -5
I wouldn't doubt Austin outdrew Hogan in a single year, but you have to take situation into account. Austin had 12 PPV's a year, live weekly shows every Monday (+ Smackdown), a booming technology (internet), and a much bigger merchandise avenue. In other words, Austin made a ton of money off things that weren't established in the '80's until Hogan helped to establish them (well, Hogan didn't establish the internet, but it would be fun if he claimed he did). Much different situation. That's why I always say take time period into account when comparing things that happened in two seperate eras.
That takes nothing away from Austin though. I've said before, anyone who can draw that much money has my respect.
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Post by Hemmeorrhage on Mar 8, 2007 14:51:45 GMT -5
I have a feeling Hogan next week will go on the radio and say he outdrew Jesus. That egotistical bastard! Wrestle Mania 3 93,000+ Sermon on the Mount 2 or 3 thousand tops. He might have a point LMAO!
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