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Post by Aaron E. Dangerously on Apr 16, 2007 21:20:50 GMT -5
I think there was a serious problem with breaking kayfabe, or at least breaking storylines. You have the Radicalz being very open about being held down, and you have Kevin Nash making more than a few in-jokes. Then of course the involvement of Vince Russo was patently ridiculous.
I think it took a lot away from the fantasy aspect of wrestling, the storylines. You want to be interested by a person's character, and if you have wrestlers constantly breaking the 4th wall like that, it takes away the interest and the curiosity surrounding a character.
I don't know. It's just a theory that's been nagging me lately.
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Post by Ultimo Chocula on Apr 16, 2007 21:30:29 GMT -5
They mention this in the book Death Of WCW. Yes, it's stupid to think that wrestling fans want to be reminded that they are in fact watching a fake sport.
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Post by jcdenton on Apr 17, 2007 1:16:37 GMT -5
Did the not book an angle where Goldberg would not take the scripted loss?
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Post by carter 15 on Apr 17, 2007 2:57:01 GMT -5
Did the not book an angle where Goldberg would not take the scripted loss? Yeah that was dumb, against Nash and Steiner/or Sid can't remember. He walked out during the match because he "didn't agree with the finish". Really bad. |
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Post by jcdenton on Apr 17, 2007 3:07:29 GMT -5
Did the not book an angle where Goldberg would not take the scripted loss? Yeah that was dumb, against Nash and Steiner/or Sid can't remember. He walked out during the match because he "didn't agree with the finish". Really bad. That would piss me off too, and how could any angle be take serusly after that? |
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Post by Agent P on Apr 17, 2007 9:22:40 GMT -5
It was New Blood Rising against Steiner and Nash in a 3-way. Goldberg "refused to go up" for the Jackknife and walked out, causing Steiner and Nash to "improvise" a finish.
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Post by Brain Of F'n J on Apr 17, 2007 10:03:50 GMT -5
I don't think using "shwork" angles or blurring the lines with in-jokes is bad in and of itself. I've often contested that the WWE might be better served if they veered their product towards this, as a way of freshening up the product.
WCW's problem was asking the viewing public to believe the shwork story as they did fully worked angles. In essence,
"please accept that all of this is real, except this one angle, which says what you say previously was obviously fake and THIS is real". It's too confusing.
Jed Shaffer
~This whole post was a work. Or was it? SWERVE!
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Post by Doctor Tull-eus S. Venture on Apr 17, 2007 10:12:14 GMT -5
It was New Blood Rising against Steiner and Nash in a 3-way. Goldberg "refused to go up" for the Jackknife and walked out, causing Steiner and Nash to "improvise" a finish. And then the next night, Goldberg had to face Tank Abbott, with "NO SCRIPT!!!" as screamed by Schaivone on air, giving the viewing audience the proof that wrestling is, in fact, scripted. |
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Post by bobolebowski on Apr 17, 2007 10:41:00 GMT -5
haha i remember tony schaivone's comment after goldberg walked out....while nash and steiner stand dumbfounded in the ring. tony: well what are they going to do now?....improvise?
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Post by Blindkarevik on Apr 17, 2007 11:54:37 GMT -5
haha i remember tony schaivone's comment after goldberg walked out....while nash and steiner stand dumbfounded in the ring. tony: well what are they going to do now?....improvise? You know, the worst part of that is they still had another match to go that night, a world title match. If that was the final match of the evening, they could've just blown it off... but they had another entire contest to go through where they had to go back to pretending everything was real and they hadn't just admitted it was scripted. I personally thought they should've just thrown it out the window at that point... "Up next is Booker T vs. Jeff Jarrett... who do you think takes this, Scott Hudson?" Scott: "Well, Tony, we could probably use a heel champion to gain interest going into Fall Brawl, and Vince Russo has gone on record saying he wants to get Jarrett over as the top heel in the company. Therefore, there's a good chance he'll take it tonight." Mark Madden: But on the other hand, Booker T has been pushed as the top face. Therefore, a win would solidify him in the main event picture. How about you, Tony? Tony: Well, as one of the producuers of this program, I was in the production meeting.. and we mutually agreed upon Booker T winning tonight. There will be six high spots, three false finishes, and will end with a missed guitar strike directly into a Harlem Sidekick. |
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Post by Worship Eugene Mirman! on Apr 17, 2007 13:06:06 GMT -5
WCW was so whack. They went out of their way to make everything seem unscripted and edgy. Yet when God Fearing American Tank Abbot actually adds something unscripted and edgy to one of his matches, he is reprimanded for it. I mean, knife in the leather jacket pocket? Brilliant! That would give me a reason to want to get the motorcycle jacket off of the pole first.
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Post by Blindkarevik on Apr 17, 2007 13:08:42 GMT -5
What are you talking about? He just wanted to shave his beard....
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Post by Person With A Hat on Apr 17, 2007 13:22:33 GMT -5
[quote author=brainofj board=wrestling thread=1176776450 post=1176822230~This whole post was a work. Or was it? SWERVE![/quote]
Actually, it was a shooted work. You wanted to work us fer realz when you wrote it, but then, you decided to REALLY swerve us so you told your true feelings, except it was still a work only with sprinkles of shoot on it!
EVREWS!
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Post by Austin's Middle Finger on Apr 17, 2007 16:38:41 GMT -5
I hate the whole concept of "shworking". I watch wrestling for escapism, not for stuff like that. I'll admit, it can occasionally come off well, but WCW simply were doing something more far-out there than it could realistically pull off.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Apr 17, 2007 16:49:00 GMT -5
I guess WCW is what kinda turned me into a smark, I remember watching an episode of Thunder where Scotty Riggs and Marcus Bagwell are going over the finish for their match, and Marcus is pissed because he has to take the fall.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Apr 17, 2007 17:51:38 GMT -5
[quote author=brainofj board=wrestling thread=1176776450 post=1176822230~This whole post was a work. Or was it? SWERVE! SPALDINGZ~!!!! |
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Post by I Got Heat on Apr 17, 2007 18:03:39 GMT -5
I think they should have catered to the fans more. After about the 300th time they threw garbage in the ring they finally stopped watching. More babyfaces should have went over, but heels were running the company behind the scenes.
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Post by "St. Louis Viper" Buck Summers on Apr 17, 2007 20:18:03 GMT -5
haha i remember tony schaivone's comment after goldberg walked out....while nash and steiner stand dumbfounded in the ring. tony: well what are they going to do now?....improvise? You know, the worst part of that is they still had another match to go that night, a world title match. If that was the final match of the evening, they could've just blown it off... but they had another entire contest to go through where they had to go back to pretending everything was real and they hadn't just admitted it was scripted. I personally thought they should've just thrown it out the window at that point... "Up next is Booker T vs. Jeff Jarrett... who do you think takes this, Scott Hudson?" Scott: "Well, Tony, we could probably use a heel champion to gain interest going into Fall Brawl, and Vince Russo has gone on record saying he wants to get Jarrett over as the top heel in the company. Therefore, there's a good chance he'll take it tonight." Mark Madden: But on the other hand, Booker T has been pushed as the top face. Therefore, a win would solidify him in the main event picture. How about you, Tony? Tony: Well, as one of the producuers of this program, I was in the production meeting.. and we mutually agreed upon Booker T winning tonight. There will be six high spots, three false finishes, and will end with a missed guitar strike directly into a Harlem Sidekick. Actually, I think I would love commentary like that, as long as they dont give away the ending till afterwards. Like, tell us how it all went down, using the booker terms and stuff, cuz we knw its fake anyway. So tell us why you made those decisions. |
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Post by amishassassin on Apr 17, 2007 22:29:17 GMT -5
I would agree with the first poster in that this definitely helped kill off WCW. But I think that as stated in the book the death of wcw...the bridges had already been burned and the mistakes had already been made. You have to remember that they were already dieing fast when Russo took over and every stupid move he made was just trying to be edgy and new age in trying to find the next big movement in wrestling.
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Post by messiah on Apr 17, 2007 22:55:10 GMT -5
Give this man the million dollars.
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