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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Apr 21, 2007 21:53:07 GMT -5
So, I finally watched the Big Show/Ric Flair ECW Title match from last summer and....it sucked. Headbutts and chops, then a couple garbage spots, the end.
Why the hoo-hah were people claiming this was an awesome match?
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Post by heffer111 on Apr 21, 2007 21:54:29 GMT -5
Cause Flair took an asswhooping
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Post by Dr. Marzvon Zombie M.D. on Apr 21, 2007 22:19:41 GMT -5
Because it was a good match and flair doing those bumps was pretty unlike him.
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Post by I Like Your Poetry on Apr 21, 2007 22:24:50 GMT -5
I like how some people are now like "Hey, that was a good match" and things like "I miss when ECW was this good" when at the time, people did nothing but kvetch non-stop about how ECW sucked, how Big Show was a horrible champion, and how ECW should have never been resurrected.
Hindsight is truly 20-20.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Apr 21, 2007 22:34:56 GMT -5
I enjoyed the match. I liked the Big Show vs Kane match more. They beat the piss out of each other, and it took 2 chokeslams to keep Kane down.
Big Show was indeed an awesome ECW champion.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Apr 21, 2007 22:44:14 GMT -5
I like how some people are now like "Hey, that was a good match" and things like "I miss when ECW was this good" when at the time, people did nothing but kvetch non-stop about how ECW sucked, how Big Show was a horrible champion, and how ECW should have never been resurrected. Hindsight is truly 20-20. Actually a lot of people liked that match when it happened, and ecw was starting get supporters here... until December to dismember then it turned back into "ecw sucks, when's it gonna get cancelled (despite being the highest rated show on sci fi)..." though Big show did get his due respects before he left... |
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Post by I Like Your Poetry on Apr 21, 2007 22:56:38 GMT -5
I like how some people are now like "Hey, that was a good match" and things like "I miss when ECW was this good" when at the time, people did nothing but kvetch non-stop about how ECW sucked, how Big Show was a horrible champion, and how ECW should have never been resurrected. Hindsight is truly 20-20. Actually a lot of people liked that match when it happened, and ecw was starting get supporters here... until December to dismember then it turned back into "ecw sucks, when's it gonna get cancelled (despite being the highest rated show on sci fi)..." though Big show did get his due respects before he left... Agreed about D2D...I do think that ECW was gathering support around this time, but I specifically remember people complaining about Big Show's defenses against Raw and Smackdown! guys when he produced good matches with quality and respected main eventers, and it helped raise the value of the ECW title, if only temporarily. I'm glad Big Show got his respect on the way out, but I don't think it would have happened if he didn't retire. |
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Post by EJS on Apr 21, 2007 23:03:13 GMT -5
Yeah this stuff was mostly good (except for Show vs Batista), but in the long run it didn't actually end up helping anyone. It made the ECW Title look good at the time, and could have made someone who beat Big Show look good. But WWE went and erased all their progress with D2D.
If one of the ECW guys eventually rose up to defeat Big Show after he beat all these Raw/SD guys, that would have been a good way to get them over. Instead, Show loses it on the worst PPV of the year, in a pretty horrible match, to a guy who was basically a Smackdown guy at the time, and has still not really meshed into ECW at all. Lashley still seems like a Raw/SD guy, except he has the ECW belt.
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Post by I Like Your Poetry on Apr 21, 2007 23:08:38 GMT -5
Oh absolutely agreed. The entire build-up for D2D clearly was in RVD's favor, and in all honesty, CM Punk should have been one of the last few guys, Lashley shouldn't have been on the card (instead should have debuted the week after. With RVD, this was seemingly RVD's last chance for the ECW title, and after being screwed out of the title, it would have made the most sense.
Lashley on the other hand was thrust into his role too soon, and it's created obvious resentment towards his reign as champion. Especially now when his competition consists of such contenders as Vince McMahon!....and.....Shane McMahon! What they should have done was build up Lashley with a serious of squashes (kind of how they started), and eventually got him into a mid-card feud with even somebody like Hardcore Holly. He could have turned heel at some point, been presented as a threat to the ECW title, and it would have presented an interesting match for Wrestlemania 23 that I would have wanted to see.
*Steps back into reality* Yeah, a man can dream.
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Post by Voldemar H. "Brak" Guerta on Apr 21, 2007 23:12:20 GMT -5
I don't think this is a great match, per se, it has more of the freak show/train wreck appeal to it that makes it interesting (along the lines of 'Taker Vs. Mankind HIAC, but not as epic). It was entertaining as hell to see Flair take those bumps and do a match he isn't known for (garbage/hardcore). It isn't a 5-star classic, by any means, but it isn't terrible either.
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Post by BHB on Apr 22, 2007 4:04:39 GMT -5
Yea it was awful.
It was really sad watching Ric roll around in the tacs.
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Post by lmoney215 on Apr 22, 2007 12:30:31 GMT -5
this was a great match, not a 5 star match, but flair was able to bump his ass off and get a lot of offense in to help himself and big show to get over. its true, this match wasn't in flair's element, but he went back to being old flair for a night and pulled out all the stops. a bloody flair classic, perhaps one of his best matches in 2006.
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Post by BHB on Apr 22, 2007 13:28:40 GMT -5
perhaps one of his best matches in 2006. Thats not saying much. |
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Apr 22, 2007 14:07:50 GMT -5
this was a great match, not a 5 star match, but flair was able to bump his ass off and get a lot of offense in to help himself and big show to get over. its true, this match wasn't in flair's element, but he went back to being old flair for a night and pulled out all the stops. a bloody flair classic, perhaps one of his best matches in 2006. Um...the first five minutes of the match were LITERALLY nothing but headbutts and chops. I think there may have been a backdrop and a clothesline over the top. Flair landed a series of low blows, then out came the weapons. If it had been ANYONE other than Flair, this match would've been rated at best 1 star. I seriously think people are remembering it far differently than it actually was. Go back and watch it again. I think the person who said it only had "train wreck" appeal for the "Hey! Ric Flair's using thumbtacks" got it right. Probably the most disappointing hyped match I've ever seen. |
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Post by Asics Johnson on Apr 22, 2007 14:49:41 GMT -5
Cry me a river.
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Post by Dynamite Kid on Apr 22, 2007 16:03:03 GMT -5
Big Show was the best thing about ECW for a while. He had a match with Sabu where he out-extremed Sabu, man.
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Post by franchisedavis on Apr 22, 2007 18:15:01 GMT -5
The thread just makes me miss the Old ECW that much more
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Post by andrewgilkison on Apr 23, 2007 0:23:42 GMT -5
I could never get over how Ric never went after Show's legs like he does against everyone else. It was hardcore, so everything was legal. He could've taken a steel chair and just went to town on Show's knee, and logically, that is what Flair would do. That is why this match didn't work for me. It just didn't have any logic. But everyone got a stiffy over Flair taking bumps into thumbtacks, so they thought it was a great match. *shrugs* Whatever.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2007 0:45:39 GMT -5
I could never get over how Ric never went after Show's legs like he does against everyone else. It was hardcore, so everything was legal. He could've taken a steel chair and just went to town on Show's knee, and logically, that is what Flair would do. That is why this match didn't work for me. It just didn't have any logic. But everyone got a stiffy over Flair taking bumps into thumbtacks, so they thought it was a great match. *shrugs* Whatever. Its just always special to see someone out of their normal environment thats where the appeal for this match is...I dont know any other men in their 50's outside of Vince McMahon that would put their body through that kind of torture for other peoples amusement |
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Post by Joekishi on Apr 23, 2007 1:58:07 GMT -5
I could never get over how Ric never went after Show's legs like he does against everyone else. It was hardcore, so everything was legal. He could've taken a steel chair and just went to town on Show's knee, and logically, that is what Flair would do. That is why this match didn't work for me. It just didn't have any logic. But everyone got a stiffy over Flair taking bumps into thumbtacks, so they thought it was a great match. *shrugs* Whatever. have you ever seen a flair match that didn't involve Ricky Steamboat or Randy Savage, a lot of the time he'd be brawling or working the arm. When it came time for figure four, he'd nail a knee clip then lock it in. a lot of the time he'd be cheap shotting, punching, and chopping away. Hell he'd even throw in a ton of inverted atomic drops |
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