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Post by rra on Apr 13, 2007 16:22:25 GMT -5
Do I understand Vince? Sure.
But thing is, the NFL itself doesn't play games on fridays or saturdays(after college season).
Why?
Because the NFL, as a corporate entity, knows that without a lifelong, community support structure that feeds talent into the national entity, their major stars that sell butts for games won't exist.
Screw Hogan, but the national(WWE) needs regional community promotions to give training and seasoning to wrestlers(OVW can't do it all) and to keep up the territorial "uniqueness" of wrestling in the first place.
Besides, TNA? Its no way threatening WWE anytime soon, even with a 2-hour show.
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Post by darthpipes on Apr 13, 2007 20:10:11 GMT -5
Vince is being a douche here. Who cares if Hogan wants to promote his own shows? They have no chance of ever overtaking the WWE. Vince is being petty here.
This current thing with Vince and Hogan will blow over and they'll kiss and make up. Hogan's just bitter that they didn't pay him boatloads of money to "save" Wrestlemania and the WWE is mad that Hogan gave away the Hall of Fame candidates. I don't blame the WWE on either account. Hogan has a history of running his mouth off on things that aren't his business.
Lawler deserves some blame here too...he should have asked Vince for permission about this before he went out and promoted it.
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Post by Rick Mad on Apr 13, 2007 21:03:18 GMT -5
If you ever watch the Monday Night Wars DVD Vince says "my philosophy is help yourself not hurt your opponent & that wasn't their philosophy." Yeah, he says that when Big Bad WCW was out to get him but I think its clearly not the case.
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Post by darthpipes on Apr 13, 2007 23:14:26 GMT -5
Vince started PPVs in order to hurt the other guy. Survivor Series was started to knock Crockett's first PPV show, Starrcade 87, off and they succeeded. Although the PPV guys didn't take to kindly to Vince blackmailing them. Vince then started the Royal Rumble and put it on free TV to counter the first PPV the NWA managed to get on PPV, the Bunkhouse Stampede.
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Post by Aaron E. Dangerously on Apr 13, 2007 23:54:30 GMT -5
So Hogan is bigger then TNA? I'd say so, yeah. Not a doubt in my mind. And frankly, a contract's a contract. You're told you work for WWE then, by George, you are going to work for WWE. Booker's lucky that Vinny let him use guys like Holly and Haas for his promotion. Could you imagine how bad it would look (in Vince's mind) if a wrestler got injured working a match for another promotion? Selling tickets for another promotion?
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Apr 13, 2007 23:56:28 GMT -5
Do I understand Vince? Sure. But thing is, the NFL itself doesn't play games on fridays or saturdays(after college season). Why? Because the NFL, as a corporate entity, knows that without a lifelong, community support structure that feeds talent into the national entity, their major stars that sell butts for games won't exist. Screw Hogan, but the national(WWE) needs regional community promotions to give training and seasoning to wrestlers(OVW can't do it all) and to keep up the territorial "uniqueness" of wrestling in the first place. Besides, TNA? Its no way threatening WWE anytime soon, even with a 2-hour show. The NFL does play Saturday games though
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Post by Cousin Judge on Apr 14, 2007 0:44:42 GMT -5
But the thing is this isn't competition at all. Mephis is just a small territory who are run by a WWE employee and who McMahon sometimes farms out/loans talent to for the occasional local show.
If I was Lawler I'd be reasonably pissed off that WWE has pissed all over a show he obviously spent a lot of time promoting, booking and preparing for all for the sake that Vince isn't on good terms with Hogan right now.
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Post by TRUTH TELLER on Apr 14, 2007 1:06:26 GMT -5
It kills me that some people are actually buying the stance that it was just a business move on Vince's part. If history has taught us anything, it's that for whatever reason, Vince is extremely petty with those not in his favor. Look at the way he's booked Eric Bischoff. The weird nonsensical Randy Savage blackballing. The fact he pretty much publicly "fired" Jeff Jarrett on the last Nitro/Raw simulcast. The Nacho man and the Huckster. New Diesel & new Razor. New Double J. etc, etc. We could be here forever.
Hey, I'm hardly a Hogan supporter here, but the proof is in the pudding. The VH1 excuse is bullshit because Vince has allowed many stars and even he himself have appeared on Hogan Knows Best, and never did he invoke the dreaded "it's not our network!" front. I'm not saying realistically WWE doesn't have grounds to put the kibosh on something like this from a business standpoint, but the timing is fishy. It's just completely petty. And I can't believe there's anyone out there dumb enough to not see that this is the case. Sometimes I think fans take their WWE loyalty to strange Pavlovian levels. Just because you love the company doesn't mean the people behind it aren't petty scumbags.
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Post by angryfan on Apr 14, 2007 1:08:21 GMT -5
The saddest part for me is, knowing the Vince/Hogan roller coaster, the only guys to really lose in this are the Memphis promoters and Lawler. Well, the paying customers, obviously, but yoiu know what I mean.
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Post by sammael5 on Apr 14, 2007 1:28:49 GMT -5
This makes....no sense. Jerry Lawler is hardly an up and coming star or a main eventer for WWE. It's not like it was going to be Hogan beating Cena on PPV (but, god would I pay out the ass for THAT) Hulk Hogan vs John Cena on PPV would make absolutely.......NO SENSE! John Cena is awesomely entertaining when he grabs the mic while having a great sense of the comedic hilarity and ability to help bring a sense of fun to pro wrestling. Such as the incredible promo he cut which was uproariously funny before WM 23 while being interviewed by Maria! Such as when he was talking to her and saying how she'd be sitting there one day with her grandkids, hair all up in a bun and was goofing around about that and the tone of his voice and sense of fun and excitement that he brought to the promo he cut brought his words to life! As well as the analogy he gave describing the different pro wrestlers that were going to be there...though he did describe them in ways that were more character based so that you would know who he was referring to without actually having to mention their names....but the way he did so was fresh and zestfully enthusiastic!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2007 11:17:46 GMT -5
Now we'll never see the angry 21 page long thread with people complaing about Hogan noselling the piledriver and refusing to put Lawler over.
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Post by darthpipes on Apr 14, 2007 11:43:16 GMT -5
The reason the NFL doesn't play on Friday or Saturday night is a matter of federal law. It was passed sometime in the 60s to help high school and college football. Friday is for high school, Saturday is for college, and Sunday is for the NFL. The NFL starts having Saturday games when the college season is ending. It would be stupid for them to ever go against college anyway. They would destroy their own future in the process.
The WWE has nothing to fear from Hogan's promotions at all. But they really could use some competition.
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Post by rra on Apr 14, 2007 12:03:01 GMT -5
Can you cite this federal law?
Anyway, you are right about the "killing own future" in the process.
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Post by Glitch on Apr 14, 2007 17:52:28 GMT -5
This makes....no sense. Jerry Lawler is hardly an up and coming star or a main eventer for WWE. It's not like it was going to be Hogan beating Cena on PPV (but, god would I pay out the ass for THAT) Hulk Hogan vs John Cena on PPV would make absolutely.......NO SENSE! John Cena is awesomely entertaining when he grabs the mic while having a great sense of the comedic hilarity and ability to help bring a sense of fun to pro wrestling. Such as the incredible promo he cut which was uproariously funny before WM 23 while being interviewed by Maria! Such as when he was talking to her and saying how she'd be sitting there one day with her grandkids, hair all up in a bun and was goofing around about that and the tone of his voice and sense of fun and excitement that he brought to the promo he cut brought his words to life! As well as the analogy he gave describing the different pro wrestlers that were going to be there...though he did describe them in ways that were more character based so that you would know who he was referring to without actually having to mention their names....but the way he did so was fresh and zestfully enthusiastic! wow,warriorcenathug is back!!!
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Post by Warwolf on Apr 14, 2007 19:22:28 GMT -5
I think Vince McMahon runs his business life by a double standard. It's OK for him to bully other small promotions, right? However, this time, and as much as I hate to do it, I have to stick up for Vinny. I think this whole thing has been blown out of proportion by guys like Dave Meltzer. Whom of which, we all know, is always right. I can respect the fact that Vince wants to protect his company and his investments. Protect it from WHAT? A match that hasn't been done in 20 years and that only people who watch VH-1 might actually SEE if they weren't there live? Vince McMahon, this is real life calling with a piece of advice: Grow up.
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Post by Warwolf on Apr 14, 2007 19:26:26 GMT -5
Vince is being a douche here. Who cares if Hogan wants to promote his own shows? They have no chance of ever overtaking the WWE. Vince is being petty here. This current thing with Vince and Hogan will blow over and they'll kiss and make up. Hogan's just bitter that they didn't pay him boatloads of money to "save" Wrestlemania and the WWE is mad that Hogan gave away the Hall of Fame candidates. I don't blame the WWE on either account. Hogan has a history of running his mouth off on things that aren't his business. Lawler deserves some blame here too...he should have asked Vince for permission about this before he went out and promoted it. Uh, Lawler's promotion, not Vince's, therefore, Lawler's business, not Vince's.
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