Hogan/Austin

[Hensley]

Which heel turn meant more to you: Hogan at Bash at the Beach, or Austin at WrestleMania?

[comahan]

Hogan

[EvilMasterBetty, Esq.]

Hogan. I never liked Austin as a heel. It always seemed too forced for my taste. Like he went of his way to be an ass.

[badantoineaccid]

Austin looked funny as a heel. Only cause when he hugged Vince, his eyes were wide open, like he was feeling something that he shouldn't have been feeling.

Anyways, to answer your question, Hogan. That got me out of my seat and question why WHY WHY!!!

[Hensley]

I hated Austin as a heel, but loved Hogan and the nWo. Yet, Austin's just felt like...damn. I couldn't believe it.

[Hensley]

And another thing, I wasn't around in the first WrestleManias where Hogan was over.

[THE Dinobot]

Hogan's was something new, after over a decade as the biggest babyface on the planet, so naturally it was unexpected and he told us to 'stick it, brother'...that's Edge-level of heel heat right there, folks.

So, either that sounds good or bad for Hogan's heel turn, but whatever way it is, it's the once I choose.

[Hensley]

dinobotbprime said:

Hogan's was something new, after over a decade as the biggest babyface on the planet, so naturally it was unexpected and he told us to 'stick it, brother'...that's Edge-level of heel heat right there, folks.

So, either that sounds good or bad for Hogan's heel turn, but whatever way it is, it's the once I choose.

Well, not entirely, it depends...if you were there for all those years and watched Hogan, then yeah, of course it meant more. However, if you just showed up, and saw him do it during the Attitude Era. It probably didn't have that much of an impact on you. Nowhere near Austins anyway, who you would've been noticing more and more in the WWF.

[thesunbeast]

doubleh1530 said:

dinobotbprime said:

Hogan's was something new, after over a decade as the biggest babyface on the planet, so naturally it was unexpected and he told us to 'stick it, brother'...that's Edge-level of heel heat right there, folks.

So, either that sounds good or bad for Hogan's heel turn, but whatever way it is, it's the once I choose.

Well, not entirely, it depends...if you were there for all those years and watched Hogan, then yeah, of course it meant more. However, if you just showed up, and saw him do it during the Attitude Era. It probably didn't have that much of an impact on you. Nowhere near Austins anyway, who you would've been noticing more and more in the WWF.

Actually, anyone that as alive and a fan during the 80's, could also be alive during the Austin era, and have the two to compare to. I personally believe that Hogan's heel turn was the biggesr heel turn in the history of pro wrestling, and nothing has compared to it since.

There have always been opportunities to have heel or face turns be this drastic, it's just that no one ever went through with it, or if they did, they just messed it up.

If Bob Backlund excepted the Idea of turning heel in the middle of his prime in the early 80's and dyed his hair pink and became a punk rocker, it would have been gigantic if it would have worked, but because ot was rather questionable, the Idea was nixed.

Hogan turning heel in 1996 was the equevelent of Superman punching Lois Lane in the face and hugging lex luther. But if you weren't a Superman follower untill after his hey day, then it would just seem like "no big deal".

[bob]

Hogan

I always hated the Austin turn

[MGH]

Hogan's.

[salTy]

While both were great and entertaining, you could almost feel the Austin turn coming. Hogan's was far more radical. They both did a great job, though.

[Johnny Danger (Godz)]

Hogan's was predictable, to me anyway.
Austin's was nonsensical.

Hogan.

[Banned Member]

Hogans

[KrutonTheFirst12YearOldSmark]

How is the Austin turn unlogical? Vince didn't like the Rock, helped Stone Cold win the title, Stone Cold wanted the title so badly that he sold his soul to it. I thought it was very interesting, because after he had sold his soul, there was that underlying tone that he regretted it, such as the hugging Vince with his eyes wide open.

[Andrew is Good]

Hogan's was the beginning of WCW's uprise.

Austin's was the beginning of WWE"s downturn, though I guess there were other problems along with that.

[ephphathainc]

kruton said:

How is the Austin turn unlogical? Vince didn't like the Rock, helped Stone Cold win the title, Stone Cold wanted the title so badly that he sold his soul to it. I thought it was very interesting, because after he had sold his soul, there was that underlying tone that he regretted it, such as the hugging Vince with his eyes wide open.

I choose the Hogan heel turn over Austin's anyday of the week.

How was Austin's heel turn unlogical?

I'll tell you.

Take this feud, Austin verses The Rock at WM17. Anytime these two get in the ring together, you are almost always destined to have a sellout main event that will truly deliver every single time.

Both were faces, but that's okay. Austin was already one up on Rock as he beat him two WMs prior (WM15)

They were meeting on equal ground.

The match was great, the ending was a total let down.

You say that it was was logical? Bull Wrestlecrap...

I'm gonna tell you why.

Because with Austin turning on Rock and siding with Vince McMahon, you just contridicted and killed one whole year of storyline.

Need you be reminded, the year long Austin/McMahon feud where McMahon wanted to turn Austin into a corporate stooge and Austin stunned him in the center of the ring setting up Austin verses The Corporation which of course led up to Rock heel turning and joining the corporation against Austin. (leading up to WM15)

One whole year of wrestling storyline went down the drain because of the outcome of Austin heel turn.

Then they gave no explainatin for WHY Austin turned and joined Vince. All Austin said was "I'm Stone Cold Steve Austin, and I can do whatever the hell I please" sort of crap.

The only one that gave a decent explaination was The Rock the next night on Raw.

Which brings me to exibit B. The next night on Raw, the fallout of WM17. You had McMahon and Austin set to give Rock his rematch for the WWE title.

All the while Triple H was made to look like the darkhorse/surprise of this feud.

Need I remind you that one year prior, while Austin was nursing his neck injury, Triple H was coming into his own and getting his stroke with Vince, including dating the boss's daughter, Stephanie snaking her out from underneath Andrew "Test" Martin.

Triple H and Austin got out of a huge let down of a feud at No Way Out when HHH beat Austin in the three stages of hell match, but still Austin still went on to WM17 to fight The Rock (because of Austin winning the Royal Rumble that)

Anyway. HHH was the guy responsible for hiring Rikishi in running over Austin and taking him out. HHH won the three stages of hell match, and then went on to WM17 to job to Undertaker.

He was set up all prior the show as the darkhorse and from there he looked like he could be the saving grace of feud.

Rock was going off to make his first solo movie after this RAW. (Scorpian King)

They could of paved the way for HHH to become the top face in the company, but did they? NOPE, instead HHH turned on The Rock and sided with Austin and McMahon.

In two nights, Vince and company, and all of their infinate wisdom contridicted two whole years of storyline. They killed all that work in building up Austin only to "shock the world and turn him heel."

I'm sorry, but if I needed to turn Austin heel I could of done a much better job of it than siding him with Vince and Triple H.

So with that all said, do you still think that the Austin heel turn was LOGICAL?

[KrutonTheFirst12YearOldSmark]

ephphathainc said:

kruton said:

How is the Austin turn unlogical? Vince didn't like the Rock, helped Stone Cold win the title, Stone Cold wanted the title so badly that he sold his soul to it. I thought it was very interesting, because after he had sold his soul, there was that underlying tone that he regretted it, such as the hugging Vince with his eyes wide open.

I choose the Hogan heel turn over Austin's anyday of the week.

How was Austin's heel turn unlogical?

I'll tell you.

Take this feud, Austin verses The Rock at WM17. Anytime these two get in the ring together, you are almost always destined to have a sellout main event that will truly deliver every single time.

Both were faces, but that's okay. Austin was already one up on Rock as he beat him two WMs prior (WM15)

They were meeting on equal ground.

The match was great, the ending was a total let down.

You say that it was was logical? Bull Wrestlecrap...

I'm gonna tell you why.

Because with Austin turning on Rock and siding with Vince McMahon, you just contridicted and killed one whole year of storyline.

Need you be reminded, the year long Austin/McMahon feud where McMahon wanted to turn Austin into a corporate stooge and Austin stunned him in the center of the ring setting up Austin verses The Corporation which of course led up to Rock heel turning and joining the corporation against Austin. (leading up to WM15)

One whole year of wrestling storyline went down the drain because of the outcome of Austin heel turn.

Then they gave no explainatin for WHY Austin turned and joined Vince. All Austin said was "I'm Stone Cold Steve Austin, and I can do whatever the hell I please" sort of crap.

The only one that gave a decent explaination was The Rock the next night on Raw.

Which brings me to exibit B. The next night on Raw, the fallout of WM17. You had McMahon and Austin set to give Rock his rematch for the WWE title.

All the while Triple H was made to look like the darkhorse/surprise of this feud.

Need I remind you that one year prior, while Austin was nursing his neck injury, Triple H was coming into his own and getting his stroke with Vince, including dating the boss's daughter, Stephanie snaking her out from underneath Andrew "Test" Martin.

Triple H and Austin got out of a huge let down of a feud at No Way Out when HHH beat Austin in the three stages of hell match, but still Austin still went on to WM17 to fight The Rock (because of Austin winning the Royal Rumble that)

Anyway. HHH was the guy responsible for hiring Rikishi in running over Austin and taking him out. HHH won the three stages of hell match, and then went on to WM17 to job to Undertaker.

He was set up all prior the show as the darkhorse and from there he looked like he could be the saving grace of feud.

Rock was going off to make his first solo movie after this RAW. (Scorpian King)

They could of paved the way for HHH to become the top face in the company, but did they? NOPE, instead HHH turned on The Rock and sided with Austin and McMahon.

In two nights, Vince and company, and all of their infinate wisdom contridicted two whole years of storyline. They killed all that work in building up Austin only to "shock the world and turn him heel."

I'm sorry, but if I needed to turn Austin heel I could of done a much better job of it than siding him with Vince and Triple H.

So with that all said, do you still think that the Austin heel turn was LOGICAL?

I see. (Wow! My first online dicussion about wrestling! I'm so geeking out!)

Yeah, I guess I didn't take into consideration the Austin Mcmahon fued. You win. Good show old chap.

[Pipe_Bomb2k13]

The only think I remember about why Austin teamed with HHH was Austin saud a week after beating The RocK "If one man is sick enough to have you ran over wouldn't you want him on your team?" or something to that effect anyway.