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Sid
Jan 2, 2007 0:42:36 GMT -5
Post by Andrew is Good on Jan 2, 2007 0:42:36 GMT -5
I'm watching Sid's shoot promo, and I'm thinking back to the time when Sid was a big star back in the day. Sid gets bashed on the net a lot, and they actually had a poll comparing him to Batista and in that poll, Sid won overwelmingly. One excuse was the nostalgia thing, but Sid was really something back in the day.
Was Sid a great wrestler? No. He wasn't. But Sid had that little special something, he had that X-Factor that separates the midcard guys to the main eventers.
I think there maybe some people who look at somethings Sid did in WCW or watched old stuff of WWE and really discreited Sid, but speaking as a fan and a young mark of the WWE at that time, I love Sid. I was a mark for the master and the ruler of the world. There was just something about him that made you want to watch him.
People also talk about how he didn't deserve the belt, but I think some of those people need to watch or download Survivor Series 1996. Madison Square Garden is thought to be a very smarky place, a place with a lot of smart fans, and generally, what they want to see (the stereotype anyway) is pure technical wrestlers. And Shawn Michaels was that. But they booed him out of the building, and they were going crazy for Sid.
Sid at that time, I really don't think a lot of people remember this, was really over. I don't know of any other guy who was quite as over as Sid at that time. And I think with some of the reactions Shawn was getting, and the positive reactions Sid was getting, I think it was smart to put the belt on him. Now, he only got a run as a transitional champion to give the belt back to Shawn in San Antonio, and to give the belt to Taker, but they did that because they knew that Sid was a very beleivable Champion.
People watch old tapes of Sid wrestling, and I don't think people grasp how popular he was, and I think Sid because of that gets a bad rep. I feel that Sid was a very underrated Champion and gets a lot of undeserved responses as one of the worst in history. But really, at that time, most of the crowd probably would have disagreed, because they loved Sid.
Anyway, I just felt that he needed to be defended, because Sid does get a lot of flack on the net at times.
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Sid
Jan 2, 2007 0:45:11 GMT -5
Post by HomewreckerEdge on Jan 2, 2007 0:45:11 GMT -5
I still make a Sid in every wrestling game I own.
That's gotta count for something.
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Sid
Jan 2, 2007 0:46:13 GMT -5
Post by kickassforumguyme on Jan 2, 2007 0:46:13 GMT -5
The net likes no one
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Sid
Jan 2, 2007 0:46:30 GMT -5
Post by Ultimo Chocula on Jan 2, 2007 0:46:30 GMT -5
Sid could have been huge but he seemed to screw up every chance he got.
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Sid
Jan 2, 2007 0:49:13 GMT -5
Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Jan 2, 2007 0:49:13 GMT -5
sid's a weiner. he was big, but beyond that, he was useless. and dumb.
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Sid
Jan 2, 2007 0:50:14 GMT -5
Post by Andrew is Good on Jan 2, 2007 0:50:14 GMT -5
sid's a weiner. he was big, but beyond that, he was useless. and dumb. How was he dumb? He definitely wasn't useless, being as over as he was. How was he useless?
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Sid
Jan 2, 2007 0:50:16 GMT -5
Post by Ace Diamond on Jan 2, 2007 0:50:16 GMT -5
I only rag on the couple of dumb things Sid did, but I know he was a capable wrestler and had his good moments more than the bad ones.
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Sid
Jan 2, 2007 0:56:36 GMT -5
Post by Topher is Human on Jan 2, 2007 0:56:36 GMT -5
The biggest problem with Sid is the only thing he'll be remembered for this generation is snapping his leg
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Sid
Jan 2, 2007 0:58:49 GMT -5
Post by joeman on Jan 2, 2007 0:58:49 GMT -5
He used to be out of wrestling during softball season. I say he blew his long term chances in wrestling.
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Sid
Jan 2, 2007 1:06:52 GMT -5
Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Jan 2, 2007 1:06:52 GMT -5
Andrew I totally agree. There are a few wrestlers who get downed every 5 seconds now that people seem to forget they used to be way over. I'll leave it up to people to decide who I'm talking about. Sid, while not being a technical wizard was solid at doing what it was that he was supposed to do. And besides, I think the few times he messed up (i.e. the "Let me start over" and "Half the Brains" promos) were so unintentionally funny that they were great and entertaining!
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Sid
Jan 2, 2007 1:12:18 GMT -5
Post by thiazzi on Jan 2, 2007 1:12:18 GMT -5
Sid was awesome at what he did - destroying people. I used to love watching his matches where he was allowed to just go in and kill a guy. He seems to acknowledge the fact that he was misused when they tried booking him into more complicated affairs on that interview, too, so give him credit. He knows what he does well and what he doesn't.
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Sid
Jan 2, 2007 1:16:55 GMT -5
Post by balmudo on Jan 2, 2007 1:16:55 GMT -5
Oh man, I loved his late 80's/early 90's WCW/WWF runs. Just crazy and huge and intense. Then again I usually supported heels as a child, especially if they were feuding with Hogan. Here's a great recap of Wrestlemania 8 with the writer (Arnold Furious) positing that Sid screwed over Hogan with the finish because he was going to be fired for failing a drug test anyways. Entertaining. furiousrage.com/cgi-bin/furious.pl?article=WWE%20Pre%201992/Wrestlemania%208
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Sid
Jan 2, 2007 1:58:01 GMT -5
Post by Heart of Markness on Jan 2, 2007 1:58:01 GMT -5
Sid had a weird charisma, you got to give that to him, but at times his actually wrestling ability was so crappy that it really made him hard to watch (for me, anyway.) keep in mind that i would watch a charismatic wrestler over a technicaly sound wrestler any day, btw.
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Sid
Jan 2, 2007 1:59:40 GMT -5
Post by thiazzi on Jan 2, 2007 1:59:40 GMT -5
Oh man, I loved his late 80's/early 90's WCW/WWF runs. Just crazy and huge and intense. Then again I usually supported heels as a child, especially if they were feuding with Hogan. Here's a great recap of Wrestlemania 8 with the writer (Arnold Furious) positing that Sid screwed over Hogan with the finish because he was going to be fired for failing a drug test anyways. Entertaining. furiousrage.com/cgi-bin/furious.pl?article=WWE%20Pre%201992/Wrestlemania%208He didn't kick out to f*** with Hogan, he kicked out because Shango was supposed to break up the count and didn't make it in time, so Sid kept up with plans as best he could and didn't let the match end right there. Now I'm no wrestling insider, but it seems to me like one of those cases like in WCW where Hogan told the ref not to do the quick count on Sting so that the ending which was supposed to be controversial was anything but, making Hogan look like a good winner at the cost of everyone else in the company. Hogan probably told Papa Shango to just wait in the back and assumed Sid would just take the loss. WHO KNOWS?!
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Sid
Jan 2, 2007 2:12:23 GMT -5
Post by ReliXIV on Jan 2, 2007 2:12:23 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan's reaction seems to solidify that it was no surprise that Sid Justice kicked out after the legdrop. He kinda indicates that he wanted the three count to Warrior, but he did it in the "Suburban Commando" bad acting sort of way.
If you remember the episode of "Prime Time Wrestling" after WrestleMania VIII, then the panel discussed a Warrior/Sid match-up, so clearly the original plan was to keep Sid around after WM8, so it would make sense to have Sid kick out of the legdrop to keep his momentum as Hulkster leaves the company.
Whether or not the plans in place when both men went out to the ring were the ones we saw unfold in the ring is a mystery, but I'm confident the version we saw was one consideration at some point in time.
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Sid
Jan 2, 2007 18:55:34 GMT -5
Post by therealmamamiller on Jan 2, 2007 18:55:34 GMT -5
I will give you that Sid wasn't the greatest technical wrestler but he was in that time era where it was more about mic skills and characters and when it came to that sort of thing he was great. I enjoyed his ranting and raving and I think he did a credible enough job in the ring to earn his title run. People talk about being a mark as though it's a bad thing but it's not. Suspending belief and not ripping apart a performance word by word and move by move made it all so much more enjoyable to me. I can't describe it but Sid had that certain something that just made you enjoy him. I don't think it's fair to put him in the same class as Batista because Batista has ther personality of a dish rag (at least his in ring personna does). I miss Sid and for a brief time he was indeed the master and ruler of the world.
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Sid
Jan 2, 2007 19:00:19 GMT -5
Post by Jiren on Jan 2, 2007 19:00:19 GMT -5
i always liked Sid
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Sid
Jan 2, 2007 19:00:36 GMT -5
Post by Boomaga on Jan 2, 2007 19:00:36 GMT -5
I liked Sid. I was even a Sid mark for a while there in his last WCW run when he was feuding with Goldberg. I liked his in-ring performance, his mic skills, but mostly I'll remember him for his mastery of the scissors...
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Sid
Jan 2, 2007 19:11:22 GMT -5
Post by Banned Member on Jan 2, 2007 19:11:22 GMT -5
I will always mark for Sid.
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Sid
Jan 2, 2007 20:58:01 GMT -5
Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 2, 2007 20:58:01 GMT -5
For those who think Sid was crap, just remember even the ECW faithful marked for him. Sure, he didn't eat, drink, sleep, and crap wrestling like some of the IWC's darlings, but that's ok. He was captivating, interesting as a heel, and did a good job when given the chance. Just because his focus in life did not match the focus of someone like Benoit does not mean that his priorities were in any way wrong.
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