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Post by Arthur Digby Stamp on Jun 3, 2007 12:35:46 GMT -5
Is it just me, (and I have a feeling it probably is, based on the posts I've read so far) or are MVP and Kennedy given far more credit then they deserve? Granted, Kennedy seems like a solid in-ring performer, and I haven't really been into MVP enough to not fast forward through his Smackdown matches, but it seems like everybody acts like these two guys are the second coming of The Rock and Steve Austin. Sure, they're both okay on the mic, but I suppose when you're comparing them to the likes of Lashley and the other 97% of the locker room that couldn't give a solid promo to save their lives, they look that much better by comparison.
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Post by erwxcalibur on Jun 3, 2007 12:40:49 GMT -5
kennedy seems to be a little to excited on the mic, and seems like he is acting. i dont like the mr. kennnnnnnedy thing at all. it seems like his big ticket though. he seems ok in the ring but not the type of guy that i would buy as a main eventer. intercontinental, for sure.
mvp seems very solid , plus i like his background story. hes already been through rough times so i don't think hes gonna f this one up. that whole flashy athlete thing is very popular in mainstream society, as some of them are the biggest real heels and faces in the world. if he could somehow emulate that i see no limit for his character as long as he holds his own on the mic. change the attire though, plz.
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Post by Jiren on Jun 3, 2007 12:57:05 GMT -5
MVP is great but from what i've seen during this Benoit Feud he's treated like a jobber
Yes he won at JD but that was about it
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Post by Munkie91087 on Jun 3, 2007 12:59:41 GMT -5
MVP is great but from what i've seen during this Benoit Feud he's treated like a jobber Yes he won at JD but that was about it If by treated like a jobber you mean taking Benoit to the limit in each of their matches and only losing because of Benoit's experience. JBL puts MVP over so well during the Benoit feud that it isn't even funny. MVP constantly "out wrestled" Benoit and would have the advantage most of the match only to lose because of a mental mistake because of how young he is. The loses helped in putting over the win in the 2 out of 3 falls match. It was very well built feud, that made MVP look like a million bucks even in the loses.
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Post by Jiren on Jun 3, 2007 13:01:25 GMT -5
MVP is great but from what i've seen during this Benoit Feud he's treated like a jobber Yes he won at JD but that was about it If by treated like a jobber you mean taking Benoit to the limit in each of their matches and only losing because of Benoit's experience. JBL puts MVP over so well during the Benoit feud that it isn't even funny. MVP constantly "out wrestled" Benoit and would have the advantage most of the match only to lose because of a mental mistake because of how young he is. The loses helped in putting over the win in the 2 out of 3 falls match. It was very well built feud, that made MVP look like a million bucks even in the loses. I meant i hate the fact he's always losing
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Post by heffer111 on Jun 3, 2007 13:01:31 GMT -5
MVP is great but from what i've seen during this Benoit Feud he's treated like a jobber Yes he won at JD but that was about it im guessing u didnt see any of his matches?? back and forth all the time, till last second
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Post by MGH on Jun 3, 2007 13:02:02 GMT -5
Honestly, having watched both of them from their debuts to this point, I think they're both as good as advertised.
And as for MVP looking like a jobber, no chance. He went toe to toe with Benoit only losing to someone who is a wiser veteran in the ring than him. He could have believably won any of them.
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Post by Jiren on Jun 3, 2007 13:03:20 GMT -5
I didn't mean jobber (i don't know why i put that) i just don't like MVP always losing
I know the matches are good, jesus
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Post by erwxcalibur on Jun 3, 2007 13:05:09 GMT -5
if he was to take out a legend like benoit right away, it might be too much. then benoit couldnt face cena right away.
having mvp go through a long played out battle, learn a few tricks, and then finally going over him is a lot better for everyone.
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Post by Jiren on Jun 3, 2007 13:07:16 GMT -5
I just like MVP so it just pisses me off to see him lose.
I know it makes sense storyline wise
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jun 3, 2007 13:10:05 GMT -5
Both guys are solid, and will only get better. In the next few years, if they're not main eventers, something will have gone horribly wrong. The only real knock I can put on Kennedy is that he's more than a little injury prone, and that might hurt him in the long run.
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Post by KEJB on Jun 3, 2007 13:12:40 GMT -5
MVP is worthy of the hype and praise. Hes one of the only WWE guys in the last 5 years, who you can see getting better, and better every match. His adaptation of Kawada's style into his own, is phenomenal. He already wrestles like a seasoned vet. Watch his pin attempts. He always is wrenching the arm in the pin, or making sure he has the forearm in his opponents face. He already has the lil tricks down.
On top of that he is charismatic. He really is one of the few guys right now in WWE I can get behind 100%.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jun 3, 2007 13:13:07 GMT -5
I kinda wonder the same about Elijah Burke, too. Do people like Elijah Burke cause he's a good wrestler, or cause he responded to you/knows what the Wrestlecrap board is?
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Post by Jiren on Jun 3, 2007 13:14:59 GMT -5
He needs a new finisher though
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jun 3, 2007 13:15:00 GMT -5
I kinda wonder the same about Elijah Burke, too. Do people like Elijah Burke cause he's a good wrestler, or cause he responded to you/knows what the Wrestlecrap board is? I dug Elijah before he even got an internet journal/blog/whatever he calls it, so I can honestly say that I dig him for him.
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Post by Adam Pacman Khan (akkilla) on Jun 3, 2007 13:15:17 GMT -5
I actually agree that MVP shouldnt be losing all the time....i mean the first few times to benoit was a smart move seeing as to how well he did in those matches...but he could have been put over other guys during Smackdown to keep up his momentum.
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Post by MGH on Jun 3, 2007 13:16:00 GMT -5
I kinda wonder the same about Elijah Burke, too. Do people like Elijah Burke cause he's a good wrestler, or cause he responded to you/knows what the Wrestlecrap board is? The Elijah love picked up when he started writing people back, but it was here long before then. The guy is money.
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Post by The OP on Jun 3, 2007 13:21:16 GMT -5
I think MVP, Kennedy, Burke, and Punk are the best crop of new wrestlers to come to WWE in a long time, and if anything deserve more credit than they get.
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Post by THE Dinobot on Jun 3, 2007 13:30:17 GMT -5
If anyone is given more credit then they deserve, out of the initial two names, it's Ken Kennedy. Unlike MVP, that goof still hasn't had a match that's worth remembering (that's not with Matt Hardy, and we can all point the finger at Matt for making those matches), nor has the dude given a promo that means anything. Screaming his name...yay? Or his very, very, very, silly 'so-called' serious promos during the 'Taker feud, come on now, those were solid crap.
MVP has already had very decent matches with guys not named Benoit, can cut a good promo doesn't involved being boring like Ken, and actually has some kind of charisma about him.
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Post by rra on Jun 3, 2007 15:29:43 GMT -5
If anyone is given more credit then they deserve, out of the initial two names, it's Ken Kennedy. Unlike MVP, that goof still hasn't had a match that's worth remembering (that's not with Matt Hardy, and we can all point the finger at Matt for making those matches), nor has the dude given a promo that means anything. Screaming his name...yay? Or his very, very, very, silly 'so-called' serious promos during the 'Taker feud, come on now, those were solid crap. MVP has already had very decent matches with guys not named Benoit, can cut a good promo doesn't involved being boring like Ken, and actually has some kind of charisma about him. The MVP/Benoit feud has been great so far in its storytelling, and MVP is going from a goofy-looking purple spandexsuit to that of a worker worth watching. If MVP isn't the top belt champ in either of the brands within 5 years, I'll be surprised.
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