Can we all be disgusted yet?

[Nice Guy Cody]

It sure ain't bias that's preventing me from being 'excited' about this angle.

[Cranjis McBasketball]

codylockemitchell said:

So if John Cena started winning matches by shooting lasers out of his eyes until they "melted" his opponents, it would be perfectly acceptable because "it's TV"?

As it does in all things, The Simpsons sums this whole argument up best with a random quote:

Focus Group Guy: [after showing the kids some Itchy & Scratchy cartoons] Okay, how many of the kids would like Itchy & Scratchy to deal with real life problems like the ones you face every day?
[the kids cheer]
Focus Group Guy: And who would like to see them do just the opposite, getting into far-out situations involving robots and magic powers.
[the kid kids cheer again]
Focus Group Guy: So you want a realistic down-to-earth show that's completely off the wall and swarming with magic robots?

Sure, why not? People spit a poison mist into each other's eyes to win a match, so what the f***?

At least if Cena shot lasers at people, I might accept him winning all the time.

[A Platypus Rave]

codylockemitchell said:

So if John Cena started winning matches by shooting lasers out of his eyes until they "melted" his opponents, it would be perfectly acceptable because "it's TV"?

As it does in all things, The Simpsons sums this whole argument up best with a random quote:

Focus Group Guy: [after showing the kids some Itchy & Scratchy cartoons] Okay, how many of the kids would like Itchy & Scratchy to deal with real life problems like the ones you face every day?
[the kids cheer]
Focus Group Guy: And who would like to see them do just the opposite, getting into far-out situations involving robots and magic powers.
[the kid kids cheer again]
Focus Group Guy: So you want a realistic down-to-earth show that's completely off the wall and swarming with magic robots?

yes, and you should win stuff by watching!

[Cranjis McBasketball]

codylockemitchell said:

So if John Cena started winning matches by shooting lasers out of his eyes until they "melted" his opponents, it would be perfectly acceptable because "it's TV"?

As it does in all things, The Simpsons sums this whole argument up best with a random quote:

Focus Group Guy: [after showing the kids some Itchy & Scratchy cartoons] Okay, how many of the kids would like Itchy & Scratchy to deal with real life problems like the ones you face every day?
[the kids cheer]
Focus Group Guy: And who would like to see them do just the opposite, getting into far-out situations involving robots and magic powers.
[the kid kids cheer again]
Focus Group Guy: So you want a realistic down-to-earth show that's completely off the wall and swarming with magic robots?

It's kind of a good point, however, isn't wrestling already that? And has been for a long time?

[Nice Guy Cody]

cdr said:

It's kind of a good point, however, isn't wrestling already that? And has been for a long time?

On and off, and that stuff was always labeled as pretty clearcut Wrestlecrap and either just got dropped without further mention because they realized how silly it was (Fake Kane, Black Scorpion, Dungeon of Doom) or outright killed the company (See Russo, Vince).

[Paul Servo]

codylockemitchell said:

servo said:

What this has done was get people to be interested in WWE again.

People keep saying this. What is this line of thought based on? If anything, I would guess (especially based on the talk I've heard of it today on the radio and other people) it's only further reinforcing the negative stereotypes about wrestling and it's fans being lowest common denominator.

The line of thought that is based on is how myself and my friends that watch wrestling would view it. One of them only watches WWE because he likes the Hardys and MNM. This is the sort of thing he'd go nuts over (he liked the VKM trying to burn the flag storyline) and he'd watch all of the WWE programing now to see where it goes.
WWE is really the only game in town when it comes to wrestling. RAW is being beat by UFC. They needed something to get people to go "whaaaa? Oh, I've got to see this"

The man isn't dead, the character is.

[acressl]

Don't be disgusted, be patient. Whether you think Vince getting blown up was a good or a bad thing is irrelevant, really. He's created some buzz and maybe has something grand in the works. Maybe not, but for the time being the E is interesting.

[Mr. Mediocre]

darthfaker said:

Wrestling isn't a TV show, and I smurfing HATE Vince McMahon for making the younger fans think that it is. He hires writing teams that have no eartly clue what wrestling fans want, and nor do they care. They're getting paid to write a television show, when the core audience doesn't want a soap opera, or a reality show.

Is it because he (Vince) thinks of his product as a weekly TV show? One that can just be cancelled on the whim of a network executive, and will completely cease to be once he does? Or is it because he's conditioned all of you to think so; that this sort of crap passes for good entertainment?

Do you go to indie shows because of the superb special effects and subpar writing? 'Cause I sure don't. I go because I love wrestling.

Wrestling isn't Melrose Place. It's wrestling.

RAW isn't Murder She Wrote. It's wrestling.

Smackdown! isn't Dallas. It's wrestling.

ECW isn't ...

...well...ECW is just a slap in the face, frankly. But that's neither here nor there.

The point being, it's offensive because it's supposed to be wrestling. If I want to watch people get blown up in cars, I'll rent Casino.

Wrestling just happens to be on TV. It's how they get their product (Pro Wrestling) into your home, and get you to buy tickets to the shows, PPV's, merchandise, etc.

I hate to sound like an elitist, but the fact of the matter remains. Without TV, wrestling will still exist.

When people "die" in soap operas, only to come back later, it's cheesy, and indicative of poor writing. Which I guess is fitting, since we're on the Wrestlecrap website. But for a wrestling company? Not so good.

It means they're out of ideas, and desperately trying to cling to their viewership by making us talk about the incident.

Looks like it worked.

And I, frankly, think that's sad. I'd much rather be talking about great matches and the angles that propell them.

I'll be a monkey's uncle if this actually leads us to a 5 star classic match. Someone please tell me what this has to do with the product, in any capacity? Give me grudge conflicts any day over this tripe.

Nothing good will come of this.

QFT.

[Matt Rogers]

I'm not disgusted, and it has nothing to do with bias. It has to do with Eddie actually dying and being used, whereas this is Vince's own idea.

[Paul Servo]

sam376329 said:

cdr said:

So if the whole pay-off is that Vince is dead, it's still stupid?

i'd have to say yes.
sure it's got people talking but in the long run there can be nothing exciting coming from this angle. and with the wwe's track record, any new viewers they attrack with this will wander away as fast as they came because there's not enough going on that interesting to hold them for any length of time.

They have been booking decent matches on their programing tho. Last week's SD! (the one from Orlando) had Benoit/Edge in a great match and it wasn't the main event.
RAW this past week started with Cena/Edge. They start the show with Champion/Champion.
As long as they keep booking good matches during this time, we'll be ok I think

[The son of a plumber.]

Its interesting! We are all acting like marks over it. Is it good or bad will only tell in time. It doesnt matter to me that he is still alive it doesnt make anyone who really died seem less important. If Vince really did die in the explosion cuz he thought it would be good to kill himself for the bussiness to have a interesting storyline, thats sick but its his company and he can do what he wants too try to make money and get people interested in his bussiness. I was entertained and excited after raw for the first time in a while, because i was shocked. That was the point and for the most part it is everyone here was entertained. It really is no different then a tv show, its fictions one the funest things about wrestling is we know its fictions and still can watch and enjoy it like its really happening. So to enjoy the show pretend he is died and let it all work out in time.

[Dynamite Kid]

doinksdoodoo said:

Well, it seemed like people who hated "Eddiesplotation" loved Vince dying, but are you disgusted by it yet? I was from the beginning, faking death is not acceptable. This is really low. Not only stupid, but disrespectful. Moreso than Eddiesplotation.

And if you can't see that then I assume that you just have some kind of bias, since Eddie was an IWC God, and Vince is the Devil of the IWC.

I'm sorry I completely disagree with this. There's a difference between directly exploiting Eddie's death to sell tickets and just having a death as part of an angle (note: an angle, not a real death). If we couldn't use death that year just because a wrestler died we could never use it.

[Deleted]

How about instead of jumping all over this angle and deeming it "WrestleCrap" ONLY TWO DAYS after it happened, we step back and see how it all unfolds? Anyone can just say that something is going to suck, but that doesn't mean you're right. Unless you are actually booking the show yourself, it doesn't mean crap. I know it's an opinion, but trying to pass if off as fact is useless, and that's what is sounds like some of you are doing.

[eJm]

If this was most other TV shows in the world, I'd probably say this could be executed well.

But this is WWE. A show that thought it would be a good idea to have Randy Orton say that a Wrestler who had died 3 months earlier was 'In Hell'. I'll ride it out, but I don't have much faith in it.

[Hiroshi Hase]

I think it's early to call it a potential gooker or to say it's the next big BOOM period. If after a month or two, nothing of worth has happened, then we could start saying the angle sucks.

God, I hope the Jackass guys aren't behind it, that'd probably make the angle instanteously crappy,IMO.

[The OP]

All I'm gonna say is, pretty much everyone liked this angle yesterday and complimented it as being a genuine surprise.

And anyone who's disgusted should stop watching WWE right now, and stop posting in a WWE forum. You're just going to piss yourself off over and over again.

[Mr. Mediocre]

You want to get disgusted? I think I know where this angle is going. It just dawned on me, and I hope I'm wrong, but if I'm not, I just want other people to know about it in advance.

A few weeks ago, various sites were reporting that Summer Slam would feature Vince McMahon and Rey Mysterio in a feud, which means that if these reports are still true that Vince will be back before then.

So, what we could see is that Vince faked his own death to get people to appreciate him and an angry Rey Mysterio bringing up the very real death of Eddie Guerrero left and right.

Like I said...I hope I'm wrong...but that's where I see all of this going, and to quote an internet fad:

Do. Not. f***ing. Want.

[Deleted]

People seem to forget that WWE is a television show.

[acressl]

explodinglimo said:

You want to get disgusted? I think I know where this angle is going. It just dawned on me, and I hope I'm wrong, but if I'm not, I just want other people to know about it in advance.

A few weeks ago, various sites were reporting that Summer Slam would feature Vince McMahon and Rey Mysterio in a feud, which means that if these reports are still true that Vince will be back before then.

So, what we could see is that Vince faked his own death to get people to appreciate him and an angry Rey Mysterio bringing up the very real death of Eddie Guerrero left and right.

Like I said...I hope I'm wrong...but that's where I see all of this going, and to quote an internet fad:

Do. Not. smurfing. Want.

I don't see that. That's an awful long way to go just to further dig at Eddie isn't it? Not exactly current events either although Vickie is still around. I think he was just trying to shake things up a bit. At this point in time he can either do something lame, something brilliant, or something meh. The choice is entirely up to him.

[Fuse]

How the hell has no-one said this yet? THIS IS DISRESPECTFUL TO EDDIE!!!

But seriously, the only part I had an issue with was the bells on ECW. Otherwise I'm gonna keep an open mind and be happy that in this day and age where many angles and matchs get ruined by the interweb, we can still be shoked, evem for only a few minuets.

People need to stop taking it all so seriously. We watch fully grown roid feinds pretend to beat each other up while wearing speedo's. How the hell can ANYONE take this so seriously?

BTW, to all the arguments against this saying wrestling isnt a tv show. WWE isnt wrestling, its Sports Entertainment. I think some people missed that memo.