The F'N Captain
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Post by The F'N Captain on Jun 22, 2007 0:32:34 GMT -5
I think it's save to say Medusa Micelli/Alundra Blayze won't get in anytime soon....
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Post by destrucity on Jun 22, 2007 0:37:04 GMT -5
Cyndi Lauper was without a doubt the most important celebrity ever involved in the WWE and should have been the first celebrity inducted into the celebrity wing of the Hall of Fame. As far as Richter goes, she was a flash in the pan and got her stardom by coasting on Lauper's popularity.
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Post by Super Nimieboo on Jun 22, 2007 3:10:48 GMT -5
She kinda seemed like a pre-madonna to me she wanted to retire with the belt and acted like a jerk. Thats just what i got out of Moolahs book. Moolah's a legend but she's full of crap. She wanted to do the same thing with the belt.
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Post by Super Nimieboo on Jun 22, 2007 3:12:41 GMT -5
Didn't she lose at WM1 or 2 by botching a smurfing splash? She splashed Moolah, but Moolah turned it into a school girl/small package and won. That's all I can remember her by. So no, she doesn't deserve crap. That wasn't her. There are some pretty undeserving folks in the WWE HOF and very few deserving women.
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Post by willywonka666 on Jun 22, 2007 6:51:22 GMT -5
I think she definetly deserves to be in there. As big as she was at the time, I think if she was a male wrestler, she'd already be in the HOF and would be talked about more
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Post by randomranter on Jun 22, 2007 8:18:33 GMT -5
Look at it this way......Wendi might have been in the right place at the right time, but that doesn't change the fact that she was still part of one of the biggest angles in wrestling history. Some could argue that she was in the biggest Women's angle in history as well.
Like it or not, her involvement in that angle did more for the business than what 99% of women have done since her.
Outside of a handful of women, none have had the long-term impact that Wendi Richter did. Chyna, Trish, Sherri, and Liz are about the only ones who have done as much or more.
Women like Molly Holly, Jazz, Lita, Mickie James, etc. were all good (and in some cases, great) wrestlers. But they didn't have the long term impact on the business that Wendi did. Wendi's involvement in the Rock/Wrestling connection propelled her (briefly) to Hogan-level popularity, and helped bring wrestling to a mainstream audience. What long term impact did Molly, Jazz, Lita, Mickie, etc. have on the business?
Also, keep in mind that if Vince (at the time) didn't have confidence that Wendi could pull it off, he wouldn't have put her in that angle. Another woman would've taken her place. And we'd be sitting here discussing whether or not that woman should be in the HOF. Wendi was in that angle because Vince believed she had what it takes to pull it off. And she did.
Even if you want to debate her level of skill, it's irrelevant. Same with her "luck at being in the right place at the right time". The fact remains that she was in one of the biggest angles of the 80's, and deserves induction for that fact alone. If they have room for William Perry and Tony Atlas, they should damn well have room for a woman who contributed more than the two of them combined.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jun 22, 2007 9:08:24 GMT -5
Look at it this way......Wendi might have been in the right place at the right time, but that doesn't change the fact that she was still part of one of the biggest angles in wrestling history. Some could argue that she was in the biggest Women's angle in history as well. Like it or not, her involvement in that angle did more for the business than what 99% of women have done since her. Outside of a handful of women, none have had the long-term impact that Wendi Richter did. Chyna, Trish, Sherri, and Liz are about the only ones who have done as much or more. Women like Molly Holly, Jazz, Lita, Mickie James, etc. were all good (and in some cases, great) wrestlers. But they didn't have the long term impact on the business that Wendi did. Wendi's involvement in the Rock/Wrestling connection propelled her (briefly) to Hogan-level popularity, and helped bring wrestling to a mainstream audience. What long term impact did Molly, Jazz, Lita, Mickie, etc. have on the business? I think Lita was starting to make her name as the diva who could do moonsaults and ranas, but the Dark Angel injury and the comeback injury pretty much kept her from wrestling as much and definitely made her change her style. She can still claim to be the first female to do these types of moves in the WWE. She used to be able to do a rana from the top rope to wrestlers on the outside of the ring. That's a pretty nice spot for a diva. I think she also made her mark as a manager. She worked well with the Hardys and worked incredibly with Edge. With Team Xtreme, she was very popular. Later, she was a perfect fit for Edge as he was grew from high mid carder to main eventer. He made this evolution while with Lita, developing his Rated R/Sex and Violence character. Actually, I would say Lita did more things to make a name for herself than Wendi did. I remember how over Wendi was, but her time at the top of the wrestling world was not very long. However, I guess I can go along with the logic, "Since ____ is in, she can be in too." Wendi is just as (if not more) worthy than some like Atlas or Nikolai. Finally, give Mickie James some time. She still has much of her career in front of her.
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Post by JLAJRC on Jun 22, 2007 13:59:02 GMT -5
Look at it this way......Wendi might have been in the right place at the right time, but that doesn't change the fact that she was still part of one of the biggest angles in wrestling history. Some could argue that she was in the biggest Women's angle in history as well. Like it or not, her involvement in that angle did more for the business than what 99% of women have done since her. Outside of a handful of women, none have had the long-term impact that Wendi Richter did. Chyna, Trish, Sherri, and Liz are about the only ones who have done as much or more. Women like Molly Holly, Jazz, Lita, Mickie James, etc. were all good (and in some cases, great) wrestlers. But they didn't have the long term impact on the business that Wendi did. Wendi's involvement in the Rock/Wrestling connection propelled her (briefly) to Hogan-level popularity, and helped bring wrestling to a mainstream audience. What long term impact did Molly, Jazz, Lita, Mickie, etc. have on the business? I think Lita was starting to make her name as the diva who could do moonsaults and ranas, but the Dark Angel injury and the comeback injury pretty much kept her from wrestling as much and definitely made her change her style. She can still claim to be the first female to do these types of moves in the WWE. She used to be able to do a rana from the top rope to wrestlers on the outside of the ring. That's a pretty nice spot for a diva. I think she also made her mark as a manager. She worked well with the Hardys and worked incredibly with Edge. With Team Xtreme, she was very popular. Later, she was a perfect fit for Edge as he was grew from high mid carder to main eventer. He made this evolution while with Lita, developing his Rated R/Sex and Violence character. Actually, I would say Lita did more things to make a name for herself than Wendi did. I remember how over Wendi was, but her time at the top of the wrestling world was not very long. However, I guess I can go along with the logic, "Since ____ is in, she can be in too." Wendi is just as (if not more) worthy than some like Atlas or Nikolai. Finally, give Mickie James some time. She still has much of her career in front of her. See, I don't really buy the "she was around for such a short time, so don't induct her." argument. In music, Kurt Cobain, Janis Joplin, and Jimi Hendrix were only around for a short time career-wise, but there is no denying their influence. I think people forget what women's wrestling was like before her. Most of the women around, while maybe talented, were basically the same women that were around since the 70s. They were getting old, weren't really that good looking to begin with, and wrestled mostly a mat based style or brawled. Wendi, while she maybe average-looking to us today, was gorgeous then. She had an athletic build, and introduced a style of wrestling that the women in the future would adopt. A serious case can be made that she was the proto-type to what women would do in wrestling today.
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Post by darthpipes on Jun 22, 2007 15:54:37 GMT -5
I think Richter should be in. She played a key role in the WWF rise in the 80s and was probably second behind Hogan in terms of popularity. It's amazing how she's practically been erased from WWE history.
As for celebrities, the only ones I would put in the WWE are Cyndi Lauper and Mr. T. Both of them brought a lot of attention and popularity to wrestling in the eighties. And since the WWE inducts more than just their own guys, I'd put Andy Kaufman into the Celebrity wing too.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jun 22, 2007 16:02:55 GMT -5
See, I don't really buy the "she was around for such a short time, so don't induct her." argument. In music, Kurt Cobain, Janis Joplin, and Jimi Hendrix were only around for a short time career-wise, but there is no denying their influence. I think people forget what women's wrestling was like before her. Most of the women around, while maybe talented, were basically the same women that were around since the 70s. They were getting old, weren't really that good looking to begin with, and wrestled mostly a mat based style or brawled. Wendi, while she maybe average-looking to us today, was gorgeous then. She had an athletic build, and introduced a style of wrestling that the women in the future would adopt. A serious case can be made that she was the proto-type to what women would do in wrestling today. Let me say that I totally acknowledge that Wendi was a big star in the mid 1980s and that she is as worthy of induction as some of the inductees of the past. I wouldn't care either way. In fact, induct they should induct Lauper while they're at it. I wouldn't give Wendi so much credit for influencing the look or style of women's wrestling, because women's wrestling in general was sort of phased out for a while after she left. After her time they did continue the division for a couple of years, but it's not like they were desperate to find the next "Richter" or to keep the female division thriving. Her time as a major star was relatively short, but it was not cut short due to an early death, like the music legends you invoked. After her controversial departure from WWE, she continued to work for awhile, but never made a big splash like she did in WWF. Also, I think it is ludicrous to compare Wendi's influence on wrestling to Hendrix or Cobain's influence on music. I see your point, but unlike Richter after she was gone from WWF, I think the artists you mentioned would have continued to have successful careers had they not died.
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Post by Mark4HBK on Jun 22, 2007 22:00:24 GMT -5
Should she be in? Yes. As many others have pointed out, in her short time in the WWF she revolutionized women's wrestling. Also, it was she (and not Hogan) who was at the center of the "Rock'n'Wrestling" connection that began the WWF's launch to mainstream prominence.
Will she ever be in? Not likely, but never say never. Bret Hart is in, and he left the WWF under the same circumstances as Richter (who was screwed out of the women's title at MSG in November '85.)
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Post by JLAJRC on Jun 23, 2007 10:01:04 GMT -5
See, I don't really buy the "she was around for such a short time, so don't induct her." argument. In music, Kurt Cobain, Janis Joplin, and Jimi Hendrix were only around for a short time career-wise, but there is no denying their influence. I think people forget what women's wrestling was like before her. Most of the women around, while maybe talented, were basically the same women that were around since the 70s. They were getting old, weren't really that good looking to begin with, and wrestled mostly a mat based style or brawled. Wendi, while she maybe average-looking to us today, was gorgeous then. She had an athletic build, and introduced a style of wrestling that the women in the future would adopt. A serious case can be made that she was the proto-type to what women would do in wrestling today. Let me say that I totally acknowledge that Wendi was a big star in the mid 1980s and that she is as worthy of induction as some of the inductees of the past. I wouldn't care either way. In fact, induct they should induct Lauper while they're at it. I wouldn't give Wendi so much credit for influencing the look or style of women's wrestling, because women's wrestling in general was sort of phased out for a while after she left. After her time they did continue the division for a couple of years, but it's not like they were desperate to find the next "Richter" or to keep the female division thriving. . The thing about women's wrestling I find is that it's popularity comes in cycles and is usually based on one or two women. You're right that the division basically languished after Richter was fired. But then it was briefly revitalized in the early 90s with Alundra Blayze/Madusa. She was popular until she screwed it up by jumping to Nitro and throwing the title in the trash. This killed the division. I don't remember them bringing the title back during the late 90s Sunny, Sable, Chyna, Marlena era (if they did, most of them were more popular by posing in Playboys, bikinis, etc than by being women wrestlers.) But then the title was was revitalized in the early 2000s with Trish/Lita. They had a great feud (they even headlined Raw that one time) and had many good feuds with the other women (Victoria, Molly Holly, Jacquline). Now that both of them are gone, even with the plethora of women they have in WWE, no one sticks in my mind as the next Trish/Lita. I like Melina, but she's not the one that's gonna revolutionize women's wrestling. Plus, to take what you said further, they don't seem that interested in finding the next Trish/Lita.
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Post by JLAJRC on Jun 23, 2007 15:35:41 GMT -5
bump
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Jun 23, 2007 18:49:27 GMT -5
Pass. She was decent but unless they add in other female wrestlers that were far greater than her but still aren't recognized, forget about it.
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Post by Macho Dude Handy Damage on Jun 24, 2007 15:50:50 GMT -5
Wendi Richter was very average in terms of almost everything... average wrestling skills, average mic work, average charisma. I really think the reason she was popular was because she was in the right place at the right time. She just happened to be there when the Cyndi Lauper rock and wrestling stuff was massively over. As for should she be in the Hall of Fame, I hate answering that question because WWE inducts ANYONE into it. In terms of accomplishment, ladies like Moolah and Sherri did way more. at first, i thought you described Arn Anderson
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Post by Macho Dude Handy Damage on Jun 24, 2007 15:51:58 GMT -5
She kinda seemed like a pre-madonna to me she wanted to retire with the belt and acted like a jerk. Thats just what i got out of Moolahs book. Think you mean "prima donna" there, bro. And far as I know, she's still on Vince's **** list. what's the **** for? the s word or f word?
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 24, 2007 15:54:46 GMT -5
I'm just glad Sensational Sherri got in while she was alive.
Should Richter get in? Hmm, maybe. She's deserving, but it's Vince's decision, in the end. He has the right to do what he wants with it.
I think Bad News, Bam Bam, and a few others are much higher on the list of "should be" candidates.
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Post by randomranter on Jun 24, 2007 17:19:53 GMT -5
I'm just glad Sensational Sherri got in while she was alive. Should Richter get in? Hmm, maybe. She's deserving, but it's Vince's decision, in the end. He has the right to do what he wants with it. I think Bad News, Bam Bam, and a few others are much higher on the list of "should be" candidates. Why, because they're dead? No disrespect meant to the dead, but neither of them achieved the level of popularity that Wendi briefly achieved. Further, neither of them did anything that had a long term impact on the business. They were midcarders at best. It does get annoying to see a midcard wrestler die, only to have these boards put him on a pedestal, remember him as being better than they really were, and think that somehow, they deserve auto-inclusion into the HOF. I am willing to guarantee you that, if Bam Bam or Bad news were still alive nobody would be asking for their inclusion into the HOF. Hell, we probably wouldn't be talking about them at all.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jun 24, 2007 18:03:39 GMT -5
Man, this thread will not die. Well, it was mentioned on WC Radio. I just wanted to say that I am starting to rethink my position about Wendi. Originally, I was thinking that she was not someone I would rush to induct, but overall she might as well be inducted since ____ was inducted. After more consideration, I think she legitimately deserves it for her run during Rock n' Wrestling. I thought she deserved it more than some who have already been inducted, but now I feel she flat out deserves it. However, I doubt WWE will induct her. I am sure they would be happy to induct Lauper, but Lauper could very well not want anything to do with WWE any more.
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Post by Cibernético II on Jun 24, 2007 18:42:41 GMT -5
pre-madonna
lol
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