Foley: Self absorbed?

[T.J. "the Crippler" Stevens]

He loses every single match. But since he's semi-retired, and not on TV constantly, he needs to build himself up in a short ammount of time before Pay-Per Views. I don't think he's really self absorbed. I think he's putting himself over so that his opponents will go over bigger when they beat him. He's not going over any opponents for months before his matches, so he needs to remind the fans that he actually could be a threat with his mouth. That's just common sense to him.

[Red 'n' Black Reggie]

putting himself over is the only way he's gonna get over with new fans. if you didn't know who he was, didn't know about the punishment he took, didn't know about the awesome promos he does, you would just seee him as some random guy who never wins.

[T.J. "the Crippler" Stevens]

Especially when you aren't being put over in the ring. Not saying he should ever be beating anyone. Just saying that there's not really any other way. He's doing it to put other people over in the long run.

[Dynamite Kid]

I can see your point. But I don't think he can be too self absorbed when he comes back every six months to job to new guys. I think he's just aware of his legacy.

But then, I'm a Foley mark.

[Gene Snitsky Sr.]

he found a nitch in the business, something he could do well, and ran with it and became sucessfull doing it.
he was great at what he did because he stuck with what he was good at.
i couldn't imagine foley doing a match with kurt angle that was all amatuer style and pulling it off.
i give foley alot of credit for realising what he could and couldn't do and sticking with the former.

[Deleted]

believe me. I am a LARGE and in CHARGE Foley Mark but if you think that seeing the Dozens and Dozens of his fans cheering his name wouldn't make him a little proud then you are mistaken. He deserves to be the way he is. Look at what he has gone through over the years to put us in our seats. He fell off the top of the cage and still continued. He did it twice even though he was told not to because he wanted us to get our money's worth. Also saying that Foley can't do it anymore is a lie. Look at his match with Orton a couple years ago. The hardcore one where Foley's arm gets so ripped up you can't see flesh. Foley is the greatest Hardcore legend ever simply because he never gave up when he could have. He got thumbtacks stuck in his head and continued so don't ever diss Foley because he gave blood sweat and tears just to put you in the seats.

[Swarm]

what said:

I like Foley but he seems a little self absorbed these days. He constantly talked about himself throughout ONS 2005 which irritated me no end and whenever he's asked for his opinion on something he always relates it back to himself. He's changed somewhat from who he used to be, maybe (as much of a legend as he is) he started to believe his own hype a little too much.

It makes me cry inside.

Foley is one of the most overrated wrestlers ever and he knows it which is why he feels the constant need to reassure himself and the fans that he was or is still great.

He will always be remembered for two things...falling off a cage and for having a sock on his hand. That's not much.

He was phenomenal for a very short period of time and earned his legacy for being a bumping machine but the truth is, anyone can fall off a cage, take sick bumps and put a sock on their hand...

there are backyard wrestlers who have put their lives in as much danger as Foley has put his in.

He was lucky to be given the opportunity to be World Champion and knows it.

[Mozenrath]

Wait, so Foley's self absorbed.... but Flair deserves "one last run" where he retires with the belt and doesn't put anyone over?

Hypocrites much?

On the Cactus Jack ripoff comment about Bubba Ray: He said Bubba Ray knew it, and would take it as a compliment. Did anyone even read the whole book?

He'd still be a legend with me without the Cell match. Anyone ever watch Mind Games? His Vader matches? Anything early WWF-ECW-WCW days? There's more to him than hardcore. If only anyone here remembered.

The best promo man in the business, with an influence felt in younger guys. Edge? His promos are heavily reminiscent of heel Foley. Not a coincidence, I'd bet.

[Swarm]

kiddobradley said:

Wait, so Foley's self absorbed.... but Flair deserves "one last run" where he retires with the belt and doesn't put anyone over?

Hyporites much?

On the Cactus Jack ripoff comment about Bubba Ray: He said Bubba Ray knew it, and would take it as a compliment. Did anyone even read the whole book?

He'd still be a legend with me without the Cell match. Anyone ever watch Mind Games? His Vader matches? Anything early WWF-ECW-WCW days? There's more to him than hardcore. If only anyone here remembered.

The best promo man in the business, with an influence felt in younger guys. Edge? His promos are heavily reminiscent of heel Foley. Not a coincidence, I'd bet.

I don't think any Hippo's rights are being violated here but that's just me.

[Mozenrath]

Sorry, typo. Care to respond to the actual post, though, buddy? Do I have a point? No point? Head up my ass?

[Bones58]

"He will always be remembered for two things...falling off a cage and for having a sock on his hand. That's not much."

That's just like saying The Rock will only be remember for his catchphrases and Stone Cold will only be remembered for guzzling down beer and giving people the fingers.

Also he ain't know Bret Hart, but the guy wrestle... Just watch his match with HBK from mind games 1996.

It's cool if you don't like Mick Foley but appreciated what he put into the business.

[Mozenrath]

Sadly, we can't control what wrestlers are remembered for.

Bret? It will always be Survivor Series '97.

Owen? Dying and breaking Austin's neck.

Vader? Sadly, probably falling off the apron.

Bam Bam? Jobbing to a football player.

[Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby]

pushvalvenis said:

The way he jobs to everybody, I don't think he's TOO self absorbed.


He loves himself, yes, like most of us love ourselves. But at least he puts people over. He could be like too many others and only wrestle if he's going over.

Actually, I think it largely comes from his inflated ego thinking his continued losses still mean something...

[Mozenrath]

hardcorehick said:

pushvalvenis said:

The way he jobs to everybody, I don't think he's TOO self absorbed.


He loves himself, yes, like most of us love ourselves. But at least he puts people over. He could be like too many others and only wrestle if he's going over.

Actually, I think it largely comes from his inflated ego thinking his continued losses still mean something...

They do. He made Umaga look great, established Orton as a main eventer, helped give Edge a great rub as a heel, and took the bullet in a mtach when it could of easily been Booker or Orton jobbing, and killing their heat.

[Hiroshi Hase]

I thought his run last year was pretty boring actually, and last night he just looked so lethargic and it was like why was he even in the match? (I know why kayfabe wise, just saying)

His better days are long behind him, and he reminded me of Lou Albano yesterday for some reason.

[Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone]

I don't think Foley's self-absorbed, but I do think that a lot of what originally made him appealing is gone. When he first became huge in the late 90's, it was because he was on TV portraying an average looking guy who had been battling uphill for many years trying to make it. He was a guy who was not good looking, so often in his career he was at a disadvantage to guys like Shawn Michaels and The Rock who had "the look". Even though Foley was just as hard working, he was at a disadvantage.

In other words, Foley really got people to relate to him as a "everyday man" and the underdog. And it was amazing. But here we are almost 10 years later, and everyone knows that Foley is rich and famous, and has been for some quite some time. Whereas he was once a blue-collar champion who fought for the people, now he is a millionaire who rubs elbows with celebrities on a regular basis. It's harder for regular everyday people to relate to him still, since his entire lifestyle has changed.

EDIT: I'm not knocking Foley for living the good life..... he's earned it, and I would do the same. I'm just pointing out how from a fan's perspective, I can see why he's changed.

[Ridley]

hardcorehick said:

pushvalvenis said:

The way he jobs to everybody, I don't think he's TOO self absorbed.


He loves himself, yes, like most of us love ourselves. But at least he puts people over. He could be like too many others and only wrestle if he's going over.

Actually, I think it largely comes from his inflated ego thinking his continued losses still mean something...

Ric Flair and Benoit have had moments of that at times too, but I don't think it's ego. Weren't Flair and Foley supposedly wanting themselves to lose their I Quit match?

There's only so far respect (or history) can carry a guy before all the losses add up. And I don't think people know who the guy with the sock is anymore. Being good at getting beaten up doesn't mean anything if you're not winning some of the time.

[Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby]

kiddobradley said:

hardcorehick said:

Actually, I think it largely comes from his inflated ego thinking his continued losses still mean something...

They do. He made Umaga look great, established Orton as a main eventer, helped give Edge a great rub as a heel, and took the bullet in a mtach when it could of easily been Booker or Orton jobbing, and killing their heat.

Orton I'll give you, Foley MADE Orton...but nothing he's done since then has had that kind of impact.

[Swarm]

hardcorehick said:

kiddobradley said:

They do. He made Umaga look great, established Orton as a main eventer, helped give Edge a great rub as a heel, and took the bullet in a mtach when it could of easily been Booker or Orton jobbing, and killing their heat.

Orton I'll give you, Foley MADE Orton...but nothing he's done since then has had that kind of impact.

Foley did not make Orton. One match doesn't make a wrestler. If anyone made Orton it was HHH.

[Mozenrath]

swarm said:

hardcorehick said:

Orton I'll give you, Foley MADE Orton...but nothing he's done since then has had that kind of impact.

Foley did not make Orton. One match doesn't make a wrestler. If anyone made Orton it was HHH.

HHH may of brought him up somewhat, but they always kept him as a second banana. RVD and Foley got him over big as IC champ, and if HHH got him over, he sure as hell knocked him down just as fast as a face.