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Post by Aceorton on Jun 27, 2007 4:36:32 GMT -5
I want to branch off in a new direction, if I may.
Not sure if it's been brought up yet, but do you think anyone in WWE will quit over this?
So many people in the locker room right now (those close to Benoit and those who weren't) must be carefully assessing their careers, their lifestyles, their time away from family, the number of friends who have died, the pain, the surreality, and wondering if the wrestling dream is really worth it. It's hard to imagine that at least one person won't pick up his bags and say: "Look, Vince, this is crazy. I'm going home to be with my wife and kids and take my life in a new direction."
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Post by TV's Mr. Neil on Jun 27, 2007 4:37:24 GMT -5
Actually, legal insanity is one of the hardest things to prove in criminal law, simply because any sign of hesitation, thought, planning, or otherwise will render the defense null. For example, if a person commits murder and, in the process, attempts to disguise his presense at the scene, he's clearly indicative of knowing right from wrong, because he knows he's going to get caught, and thus the insanity defense would not work.
In the case of Benoit, it's rather tricky. It's hard to say when he was in the right frame of mind and when he wasn't. He did contact WWE at one point to cancel his appearance at a live show and have his flight changed, but his wife and son may have both been dead by then, in which case he was simply buying time after the fact.
In any event, I agree that the time lapse between the death of his wife and that of his son is rather disturbing, as is the fact that he had tied his wife up. I don't know if that suggests tha he knew right from wrong, but it does imply that he was thinking.
Edit: Whoa, this topic jumped a few pages since I started typing my reply. To answer your question, Aceorton, I presume some people may quit. You might see the kind of investigation open up that we saw during the steroid hearings of the 90s. This could be big trouble for WWE.
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Post by EJS on Jun 27, 2007 4:41:13 GMT -5
Yeah, it will probably never truly be understood. I think he was likely unstable but not what you'd classify as "insane".
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Post by sasquatchwilliams on Jun 27, 2007 4:42:12 GMT -5
I want to branch off in a new direction, if I may. Not sure if it's been brought up yet, but do you think anyone in WWE will quit over this? So many people in the locker room right now (those close to Benoit and those who weren't) must be carefully assessing their careers, their lifestyles, their time away from family, the number of friends who have died, the pain, the surreality, and wondering if the wrestling dream is really worth it. It's hard to imagine that at least one person won't pick up his bags and say: "Look, Vince, this is crazy. I'm going home to be with my wife and kids and take my life in a new direction." I seriously wouldn't be surprised if Chavo called it quits before 2008. And by God, I wouldn't blame him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2007 4:42:13 GMT -5
I want to branch off in a new direction, if I may. Not sure if it's been brought up yet, but do you think anyone in WWE will quit over this? So many people in the locker room right now (those close to Benoit and those who weren't) must be carefully assessing their careers, their lifestyles, their time away from family, the number of friends who have died, the pain, the surreality, and wondering if the wrestling dream is really worth it. It's hard to imagine that at least one person won't pick up his bags and say: "Look, Vince, this is crazy. I'm going home to be with my wife and kids and take my life in a new direction." That is a possibility, but at the end of the day, working for WWE means money. In most cases, a lot of it. I think many wrestlers take this over what it could do to them physically, as they want the best for their families.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 27, 2007 4:42:25 GMT -5
It certainly is scary, but we're unfortunately not likely to get the full details at any point. I have to believe he just wasn't in a normal frame of mind the entire time (as evidenced by some of his co-workers noticing how "paranoid" he seemed over the last month or so), but that doesn't mean he didn't plan it all. He may have just planned it all in a sick frame of mind, which wouldn't fly in court to get him an insanity plea, but its nonetheless a reality.
After all, if he truly suffered from depression, paranoid-schizophrenia, anything like that, then it was with him every day, no matter what, even while he may or may not have been "planning" everything that happened.
God, so much of the surreal nature of this is tied to just how confusing and complex it all is.
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Post by Gene Snitsky Sr. on Jun 27, 2007 4:43:23 GMT -5
as a previous poster said we can only speculate what frame of mind he was in and we will never know. but right or wrong frame of mind, it doesn't excuse the fact that he took the lives of 2 people. if he wanted to kill someone then he should've just taken his own life. he was a great wrestler and nobody can take that away from him but great wrestler or not he was wrong to do what he did. it's just my opinion.
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Post by EJS on Jun 27, 2007 4:44:00 GMT -5
I want to branch off in a new direction, if I may. Not sure if it's been brought up yet, but do you think anyone in WWE will quit over this? So many people in the locker room right now (those close to Benoit and those who weren't) must be carefully assessing their careers, their lifestyles, their time away from family, the number of friends who have died, the pain, the surreality, and wondering if the wrestling dream is really worth it. It's hard to imagine that at least one person won't pick up his bags and say: "Look, Vince, this is crazy. I'm going home to be with my wife and kids and take my life in a new direction." Hard to guess. Chavo seems like the one most effected, and he's accomplished pretty much everything WWE seems like they'll allow him to... but I think he may want to stick around for Vicky. Since he's obviously the closest friend she has in the company.
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Post by clifford on Jun 27, 2007 4:44:13 GMT -5
I want to branch off in a new direction, if I may. Not sure if it's been brought up yet, but do you think anyone in WWE will quit over this? So many people in the locker room right now (those close to Benoit and those who weren't) must be carefully assessing their careers, their lifestyles, their time away from family, the number of friends who have died, the pain, the surreality, and wondering if the wrestling dream is really worth it. It's hard to imagine that at least one person won't pick up his bags and say: "Look, Vince, this is crazy. I'm going home to be with my wife and kids and take my life in a new direction." Very true sir. Chavo Guerrero is a name that comes to mind. Also people like Regal, Malenko and Booker who have been through it all like Benoit was
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2007 4:54:12 GMT -5
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Post by clifford on Jun 27, 2007 4:56:12 GMT -5
I hate when they say fake. Is 'predetermined' too educated a word to use? Even 'fixed' would do.
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Post by dpg on Jun 27, 2007 4:58:03 GMT -5
Think thats probably why Angle left WWE. I mean, he acts a little oddly now, imagine what he'd be like if he was still working a WWE schedule.
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Post by Aceorton on Jun 27, 2007 5:00:02 GMT -5
Think thats probably why Angle left WWE. I mean, he acts a little oddly now, imagine what he'd be like if he was still working a WWE schedule. That's a guy whose thoughts on this tragedy I'd be very, very interesting in hearing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2007 5:01:23 GMT -5
Think thats probably why Angle left WWE. I mean, he acts a little oddly now, imagine what he'd be like if he was still working a WWE schedule. Truthfully, I don't think Angle would still be alive today if he hadn't left the company when he did. Kurt was visibly falling apart in his last days with WWE.
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Jun 27, 2007 5:08:01 GMT -5
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Post by EJS on Jun 27, 2007 5:10:42 GMT -5
Fox News reporting that he sent "emails" (meant texts I assume). Including bible passages and details on his will.
Are they just totally wrong since they're Fox News (Fox and Friends no less), or did I miss something.
And "be careful there are wild dogs outside"... wow, these guys fail at accurate reporting.
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Post by clifford on Jun 27, 2007 5:17:53 GMT -5
Fox can go suck a big one. No doubt Bill O'Reilly will have something to say about the poisons of 'THE INDUSTRY' on his next Factor.
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Post by jzbadblood on Jun 27, 2007 5:19:23 GMT -5
Fox can go suck a big one. No doubt Bill O'Reilly will have something to say about the poisons of 'THE INDUSTRY' on his next Factor. Bill O'Reilly got owned by a kid still in High School not to long ago on national television. He also called the kid a pinhead...for the life of me I can't understand why people take him seriously anymore.
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Post by EJS on Jun 27, 2007 5:19:50 GMT -5
O'Reilly already talked about it.
"But they found STEROIDS, right? Right??"
He was such a douche he made that douchey owner of the "new" AWA seem like a nice, rational person (he was interviewing him about Benoit).
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Post by dpg on Jun 27, 2007 5:28:36 GMT -5
Think thats probably why Angle left WWE. I mean, he acts a little oddly now, imagine what he'd be like if he was still working a WWE schedule. Truthfully, I don't think Angle would still be alive today if he hadn't left the company when he did. Kurt was visibly falling apart in his last days with WWE. I have to agree. Joining TNA has probably been the best thing he could have done. The lighter schedule, better backroom atmosphere (less pressure from above) and overall freedom of TNA has extended his career (and life) exponentially. In WWE he'd either be a drugged up cripple or suicidal, or dead. I do think that Benoit's tragedy will make a lot of guys at his level look at leaving, maybe joining another company maybe retiring for a while. The constant touring couldn't have helped his mental state.
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